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post #21 of 39
pickles!!! love this recipe

http://www.wildfermentation.com/reso...p?page=pickles

give gluten at least 3 months, not sure about the others.
post #22 of 39
Thread Starter 

Detox reaction Hives?

Just wondering. I've never had hives before. I think I got them in the middle of the night on Day 7 of our diet. Tiny itchy pimple-like bumps and redness all over my back, chest, spreading to my neck, legs and arms. Not terrible, but here.
post #23 of 39
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Just wondering. I've never had hives before. I think I got them in the middle of the night on Day 7 of our diet. Tiny itchy pimple-like bumps and redness all over my back, chest, spreading to my neck, legs and arms. Not terrible, but here.
Could you post a photo? Have you had chicken pox? It could be a detox reaction. But, that sounds extensive. I just had a bit of yeast pop up in skin folds when I was doing too much kombucha.

What have you added in the way of probiotics, iodine, or antifungals? Any other new food, additives, soaps, detergents, lotions, bed sheets, synthetics, pets, other environmental exposures?

Pat
post #24 of 39
Thread Starter 
Nothing new. Dead sea salt bath soak, not new. Quinoi for dinner last night, but its not new. I've had it before though a few months ago was the first time. I don't get classic allergic reactions to anything. I don't know if you would call this hives. This is just the only thing I could liken this to.
post #25 of 39
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Nothing new. Dead sea salt bath soak, not new. Quinoi for dinner last night, but its not new. I've had it before though a few months ago was the first time. I don't get classic allergic reactions to anything. I don't know if you would call this hives. This is just the only thing I could liken this to.

Hmmm...looks systemic enough. Consider any environmental exposures, also. But, the skin is a detox pathway. I'd take extra vit C and consider some homeopathic Apis. Maybe benedryl.

Quinoa IS high in protein; and second exposures are more likely to have an allergic reaction than first exposures. Each subsequent exposure has a more severe reaction. I'd not eat more quinoa. ETA: did you soak and rinse the quinoa to remove the saponins?

What about a heat rash?


Pat
post #26 of 39
Thread Starter 
Heat rash is possible, I suppose, but I've never gotten it before and have lived in much more humid places than I do now...Did not rinse the quinoa, I was in a hurry! ...hmmm.

When you are detoxifying your body by going on the elimination diet, does it become more sensitive to intolerances and allergens?

When can I start adding foods back to my diet? Actually, I feel great. I don't care if I ever eat another bite of gluten/corn/dairy/soy/chocolate/citrus...(actually I really miss the citrus). Am I right that I should do some gut healing first? How long? Mainly, I don't want to offend my nursing baby.

But, DD is back to her old routine of eating almost nothing--yesterday: A couple of cubes of watermelon, 1 bite of peanut butter, 1 scoop of homemade berry sorbet, 2 baby carrots, 1 bite of jasmine rice. She only wants breast milk. Maybe that diet is o.k.? I don't know. It is exasperating making meals that she just scoffs at.

Pat and Tanya, I feel like I owe you consulting fees. Thank you very much. You must know how much of a positive impact you are having on the lives of others by sharing your information with us neophytes. I ordered my vitamins, CLO and water kefir grains...going out to find that Bubbies, get pickle making supplies.
post #27 of 39
I've read that sweat lodges are a detox therapy. The rash *could* be from that, if you had heavy work outside. But, the quinoa could be the issue too. I'd not eat it again for at least 6 months. Gut healing takes at least that long, I believe. I'm sorry to say.

Yes, when we open our detox pathways, we could be processing more stored toxins through breastmilk, even. However, by eliminating the undigested proteins (due to leaky gut/intolerances) we are lowering the toxin load to baby, concurrently. She is probably loving your yummy milk. With nutrient dense milk/nutrition, we can detox toxins, even baby can.

Personally, I'd wait at least 6 weeks to consider the top four, corn, dairy, soy and gluten. If you have eliminated other foods, I'd consider adding them in a couple of weeks- one at a time, after resting your gut and increasing gut healing supplements (CLO, kefir, etc). I would start adding bone broths, green juices, liver too, when you feel up to tackling another step. Just take it slowly, make lifestyle changes for your health, rather than overwhelming yourself trying to do everything at once.

It is common for kids to go through binges and strikes about food preferences. I'd just focus on finger foods. We make a "buffet" here with a myriad of alternatives, some nutrient dense, some just yummy without additives (like homemade oatmeal chocolate chip cookies with coconut oil and pecans). I offer many options, rather than "meals".

The Bubbies is in the refrigerated section at the grocery. At Earth Fare, not our mainstream grocery. And the dill pickles or sauerkraut are naturally fermented and have probiotics.

Glad you are feeling better! :



Pat
post #28 of 39
Thread Starter 

OK--now its terrible, the rash, that is

It has spread from my back to the rest of my body. The bumps are mostly gone, but have been replaced by itchy redness and my face and neck are swollen. Not my best look! . Took the apis and Vit. c.

I wonder what morning will bring.

Also got the Bubbies. Yum. Also found some "hypoallergenic" cookies that are actually REALLY good. Who knew? I guess you all...

Onward. Despite my appearance I am really feeling great. My mood hasn't been this clear and good for ages. Like, 20 (30?) years. Amazing Tonight in a situation that would normally have sent me off the deep end, I was cool as a cucumber and not by trying. I just felt a natural equanimity. Going to read that adrenal thread you suggested Tanya.
post #29 of 39
Thread Starter 

about elimination diets

When you add a food back, how much do you eat, what do you look for and for how long before you decide its o.k.? Its only been 2 weeks but dd ate corn tonight inadvertently and I don't know if I should consider it a test to see if corn's o.k. or consider it a slip, if it has been too little time out of the system.

(corn chips at the table at a restaurant. she was too fast for me!)

p.s. My rash gone. 4 days total. spreading to face and ears last with a lovely redness and swelling.
post #30 of 39
Too soon to do trials, imo. I'd consider it a 'slip' and continue avoiding the big four for 6 months, 6 weeks minimum at baseline.


Pat
post #31 of 39
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homemade kombucha every. single. day. (start with an ounce, increase by 1 ounce a month, if no mercury fillings.)
i have filings, and im guessing the kombucha mobilizes the mercury? i have a rash on my face below my eye area that my derm thinks is yeast and wants me to apply elidel. im a bit hesitant and am looking for another treatment, but seems like i should avoid kombucha...?
post #32 of 39
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i have filings, and im guessing the kombucha mobilizes the mercury? i have a rash on my face below my eye area that my derm thinks is yeast and wants me to apply elidel. im a bit hesitant and am looking for another treatment, but seems like i should avoid kombucha...?

The body stores excess heavy metals, in order to protect us by removing it from circulation. We excrete some when we detox metals effectively. Specific nutrients are necessary to detox heavy metals safely and effectively. Candida binds heavy metals to keep them out of circulation. Kombucha kills off candida, releasing the heavy metals into circulation. ie. "candida is a friend"

So, yes, with mercury fillings, you probably have mercury stores, thus candida yeast.

The goal is to make candida obsolete by improving heavy metal detox efficiency, and safely replacing candida with beneficial microbials in the gut. Specific nutrients are necessary, and detoxing heavy metals is not recommended while nursing.

Skip the kombucha.


Pat
post #33 of 39
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post
The body stores excess heavy metals, in order to protect us by removing it from circulation. We excrete some when we detox metals effectively. Specific nutrients are necessary to detox heavy metals safely and effectively. Candida binds heavy metals to keep them out of circulation. Kombucha kills off candida, releasing the heavy metals into circulation. ie. "candida is a friend"

So, yes, with mercury fillings, you probably have mercury stores, thus candida yeast.

The goal is to make candida obsolete by improving heavy metal detox efficiency, and safely replacing candida with beneficial microbials in the gut. Specific nutrients are necessary, and detoxing heavy metals is not recommended while nursing.

Skip the kombucha.


Pat
thanks! i'm not nursing, but will probably TTC starting next summer. so, here comes a dumb question, should i be avoiding all those great things you've posted about (Bubbies, CLO, amount per day, etc.)? what sounds great in theory might not be right for me given my amalgams...?
post #34 of 39
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thanks! i'm not nursing, but will probably TTC starting next summer. so, here comes a dumb question, should i be avoiding all those great things you've posted about (Bubbies, CLO, amount per day, etc.)? what sounds great in theory might not be right for me given my amalgams...?

No, we need the nutrients to detox our body. However, killing off a bunch of candida could be problematic, if you *can't* detox, then the mobilized mercury just redeposits into other organs, brain, breastmilk.


Pat
post #35 of 39
Thread Starter 
I have amalgams too and am nursing. But, Pat, you say that the rest of your regimine is o.k., just not the kombucha? Coconut oil is o.k.? Kefir?

Just making sure. Don't want to dump a bunch of mercury into my kids.
post #36 of 39
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Originally Posted by eireann View Post
i have filings, and im guessing the kombucha mobilizes the mercury? i have a rash on my face below my eye area that my derm thinks is yeast and wants me to apply elidel. im a bit hesitant and am looking for another treatment, but seems like i should avoid kombucha...?
Quote:
Originally Posted by WuWei View Post
The body stores excess heavy metals, in order to protect us by removing it from circulation. We excrete some when we detox metals effectively. Specific nutrients are necessary to detox heavy metals safely and effectively. Candida binds heavy metals to keep them out of circulation. Kombucha kills off candida, releasing the heavy metals into circulation. ie. "candida is a friend"

So, yes, with mercury fillings, you probably have mercury stores, thus candida yeast.

The goal is to make candida obsolete by improving heavy metal detox efficiency, and safely replacing candida with beneficial microbials in the gut. Specific nutrients are necessary, and detoxing heavy metals is not recommended while nursing.

Skip the kombucha.


Pat
I'd vote that for someone not nursing, and who's a fair bit out from TTC, even if they have amalgams, if they're interested in trying kombucha and watching for how they feel (physical symptoms--in a bad way, mood issues, like that) then it's not a bad thing. Kombucha itself is a detoxifier, the problem for some of us is that there are so many toxins to be mobilized that our detox pathways get overwhelmed. Because the other half of having a high toxic load is that your detox pathways have been massacred, basically, and lots of nutrients are needed to fill you back up. But for most people, the kombucha itself is a detoxifier and is helpful. I do think people should be mindful of how they feel, including subtle, slower-acting mood issues, and if they're worried, don't start, or stop. For people who suspect a serious toxicity issue, they may not want to take the risk, that's sensible, but not everyone with amalgams has a mercury problem. My 2 cents.
post #37 of 39
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I have amalgams too and am nursing. But, Pat, you say that the rest of your regimen is o.k., just not the kombucha? Coconut oil is o.k.? Kefir?

Just making sure. Don't want to dump a bunch of mercury into my kids.

Those of us with amalgams are dumping mercury, in utero and in breastmilk. The issue is, Is baby getting adequate nutrients to detox effectively. I would not TRY to detox, just improve nutrient stores.

The coconut oil at 1 tablespoon per day, is very little. I don't do much more than that a day. Some folks are doing 1/2 cup a day, in baking, cooking. Kefir helps to rebalance gut microbials. I have no problem with it with mercury, candida, and nursing. Do start slowly and as Tanya noted, *listen to YOUR body*. YOU know more about you than any of us.

Pat
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