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Progressive Christians?

post #1 of 30
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Hi there,
I'm wondering if there are other progressive Christians here at MDC. I'm sure there are, and it would be nice to connect. I'm UCC and : about my church and its community. It's hard to explain this to a lot of people because I'm also very progressive in my political views. I'm staunchly pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-human rights, anti-war and I love Jesus. I also do not take the bible literally. It's confusing to some people because there's an idea in the US that Christian means fundamentalist. Any other progressive liberal Christians here?
post #2 of 30
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25 views and no responses. How disappointing.
post #3 of 30
I'm here! I attend an Episcopal Church and agree with the 8 points in Progressive Christianity. So I suppose that makes me a "Progressive Christian."
post #4 of 30
I think I count in the progressive Christian community, though we're UU. We just haven't found a church home that reflects what we believe politically.
post #5 of 30
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I think I count in the progressive Christian community, though we're UU. We just haven't found a church home that reflects what we believe politically.
I think it would be impossible for me to find a church that shares all of my spiritual and political beliefs. I've generally been really happy with the Episcopal church, but there have been moments when I've questioned whether or not it is the place for us.

We searched for three years until we found our current church. It's tough. I hope you find a church that you can call home soon!
post #6 of 30
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Great! I knew there were others. :
post #7 of 30
I'm leaning this way (after being gone from the church for 4+ years - we were evangelical and left when we could no longer believe). Thanks to Spong and Borg, I have come to peace with my yearnings for spirituality expressed through Jesus and the Bible without having to actually buy into literal/traditional beliefs. Somewhere buried in this forum is a "liberal Christianity" thread I begun a month or so ago. I would love to find a church home for us; dh is *very* leary. Leaving our former church was very hard and we lost a lot of friends when we left. He still has issues and scars. A friend of mine IRL though is in the same place, so I'm hoping maybe she and I can visit a few places without dh needing to come or bringing my boys.
post #8 of 30
There is a liberal Christian mamas thread around here somewhere. May be in a different area. There are quite a few of us around.
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post #10 of 30
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I'm here! I attend an Episcopal Church and agree with the 8 points in Progressive Christianity. So I suppose that makes me a "Progressive Christian."
That's a great site!

Another progressive Episcopal here!
post #11 of 30
: I'm pro-choice, pro-queer rights, anti-war, etc... because of my faith. And I think there are a lot of other Christians who see the Bible more consistently mandating justice for the poor, the outcast, and women than a lot of people think.
post #12 of 30
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I would love to find a church home for us; dh is *very* leary. Leaving our former church was very hard and we lost a lot of friends when we left. He still has issues and scars. A friend of mine IRL though is in the same place, so I'm hoping maybe she and I can visit a few places without dh needing to come or bringing my boys.
Hang in there! After dh left full-time paid ministry at a conservative/evangelical church it took a couple of years before he was even interested in considering attending a church. I don't know how long it's been since you left, but I do know that for some it may take awhile - somewhat akin to deschooling in homeschooled children who once attended public school. I think I was able to process things a bit quicker, but I had also disengaged from the church he was employed for several months before we left.

I was able to get dh to go with me to a few places here and there during the intervening years, but it certainly wasn't something he felt comfortable with or missed when we didn't return. There is on church in particular that I really think would be a perfect fit for us - it's 5 hours away now, although it was much closer before we moved. Since that's not a possibility we decided to try out a local UCC congregation. We really felt like it was a good fit from the first visit. My son really likes it (dd's not so keen on the nursery, but they're very accepting of her being in the service) and we're finding more we like about it each time we go. Even if this one church didn't work out I still think we'd likely pick a UCC church - they're history, beliefs, etc really jive well for us.
post #13 of 30
i'm not a Christian, but about half of the people i am around (friends & family) are fundamentalist Christians, and, believe me, i WISH they were "progressive"...that would mean that i could stop receiving all this anti-gay pro-war kill-the-Muslims hate propaganda emails from them that make my stomach turn.

could someone please explain to me (so that perhaps i could help shed some light regarding these issues when they come up)-- how does one follow the Bible but not take literally verses such as Lev. 20:13 that says that homosexuals should be put to death, for example? honestly, i don't find it surprising that the majority of Christians do not share "progressive" views when there is so much blatant violence in the Bible...

do progressive Christians just believe the New Testament, perhaps? any feedback would be greatly appreciated! i am sincerely trying to understand this religion and all the drastically different moral views that are associated with it thanks!!
post #14 of 30
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could someone please explain to me (so that perhaps i could help shed some light regarding these issues when they come up)-- how does one follow the Bible but not take literally verses such as Lev. 20:13 that says that homosexuals should be put to death, for example? honestly, i don't find it surprising that the majority of Christians do not share "progressive" views when there is so much blatant violence in the Bible...

do progressive Christians just believe the New Testament, perhaps? any feedback would be greatly appreciated! i am sincerely trying to understand this religion and all the drastically different moral views that are associated with it thanks!!
I can only speak for my own perspective - I tend to take a more historical view of the Biblical text meaning that I don't take *everything* literally. The Bible was written during a specific time and a specific place. There's a cultural understanding that goes along with each and every book. To read the Bible like an encyclopedia - looking at one verse or chapter or book as if it's this stand alone passage that none of the others impact - is an erroneous assumption in my view. That's probably clear as mud, but I really like the way folks like Doug Pagitt have explained it (like his latest book "A Christianity Worth Believing").

It's a bit more complicated than one just believes in the Old or New Testament exclusively - believe me, there are enough troubling passages in the New Testament as well.

You might also find Brian McLaren's recent blog post about some of the different types of "fundamentalists/evangelicals" a bit helpful as well.
post #15 of 30
Hi! I'm here!! I've been part of the "theologically liberal Christians" threads, too. Thanks for starting this thread. MyLittleWonders, my internet went whacky, so I didn't respond to your last post on the other thread.

MommyofHero- interesting question! I'll be back later... tired baby!
post #16 of 30
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Originally Posted by MommyofHero View Post
i'm not a Christian, but about half of the people i am around (friends & family) are fundamentalist Christians, and, believe me, i WISH they were "progressive"...that would mean that i could stop receiving all this anti-gay pro-war kill-the-Muslims hate propaganda emails from them that make my stomach turn.

could someone please explain to me (so that perhaps i could help shed some light regarding these issues when they come up)-- how does one follow the Bible but not take literally verses such as Lev. 20:13 that says that homosexuals should be put to death, for example? honestly, i don't find it surprising that the majority of Christians do not share "progressive" views when there is so much blatant violence in the Bible...

do progressive Christians just believe the New Testament, perhaps? any feedback would be greatly appreciated! i am sincerely trying to understand this religion and all the drastically different moral views that are associated with it thanks!!
Here's my take based on my experience, my opinion and what I've read/studied. Nothing in the Bible is the inspired "Word of God" in that God did not write it, nor did he/she/it tell any human what to write. The writings found in both the Hebrew Scriptures (what Christians call the Old Testament) and the Christian Scriptures (the New Testament) are a particular people's attempt to understand God, and put into words their experiences of and with God. The law of outlined in Leviticus was not written at one time (and definintely not by Moses), nor was it written by just one person. To quote the notes at the beginning of the book in The New Oxford Annotated Bible,
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The two main components of the Priestly source in Leviticus are the "Priestly Torah" and the materials from the "Holiness School," which are largely found in chs 17-26, the "Holiness Code," or "Holiness Collection." ... [I]t is reasonable to assume that the Holiness Code was produced toward the end of the exile (538 BCE ) or soon thereafter.
The laws were written for a particular people for a particular time. The time of the Babylon exile was extremely hard, to put it mildly. When they returned from exile, they needed something that pulled them together as a people and made them stand-out from the nations around them. Thus, very strict codes of conduct - personally and as a group - were created/written, including very strict laws about sexuality. They needed to redefine themselves and the law helped achieve that purpose. Those laws were for a set people, place, time, and purpose.

In regards to Progressive Christianity and Scriptures, my understanding/belief is that all Scripture is seen as man-written rather than God-written or God-inspired. There is much to learn from it, but it is not taken literally. The stories can definitely be taken metaphorically - they have deep truth to them in that way For example, the exodus from Egypt, when taken metaphorically, speaks of how we all tend to experience the pains of bondage at some point in our lives and pray for our freedom. When that freedom comes, there is often a period of wandering through the desert while we sort everything out. Eventually, though, we find ourselves in the "Promised Land" where life is set right again. Just because the story itself may not be historically accurate (from what I've read, there seems to be some debate on the historicity of it), or just because the story is not read literally (I could never believe in a God who acted the way God is portrayed in the story), does not negate the deep spiritual meaning within the story. This is true of the entire Bible. Among many current scholars, there is much debate over exactly what from the Gospels can really be attributed to Jesus. (See "The Jesus Seminar") The Gospels were not written to record the actual real-life events of Jesus, or word-for-word accounts of what he said or did. The earlier Gospel (Mark) was written about 40 years after Jesus died (Paul's authentic letters were the earliest writings about Jesus). There was much reason as to why the four Gospels were written the way they were (Matthew and Luke, in particular, are totally different when read in the context of the Jewish liturgical year as they were intended). But from my perspective, and it seems that of progressive and liberal Christian scholars, they Bible as a whole is not a God-written document, but rather stories, laws, and events written by men to try and put into words their various experiences with God.
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I need a new book to read! Any recommendations?
post #18 of 30
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I need a new book to read! Any recommendations?
What have you read lately? I'm in love with anything by Marcus Borg or Bishop Spong. I just picked up In the Eye of the Storm by Bishop Gene Robinson. I've heard it recommended and am hoping it's good. And totally not related to progressive Christianity at all, but I also just picked up and started Rashi's Daughters: Book 1 Joheved. It's set in medieval France, and is about the daughters of the Jewish scholar Rashi (Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac).
post #19 of 30
Thanks for the recommendations! I've just read three or four books by Spong and loved them! I loved your explanation to the question about homesexuality and the Bible! Very well-said!

I also have read (I think it was in Spong's [U]The Sins of Scripture[U] but I'm not sure, that one of the reasons for all the laws in the Jewish scriptures is that at one point in history they found themselves situated between two very strong groups of people (tribes? not sure) and they were not themselves very strong militarily at that time, so they put their hope in living righteously in the hopes that God would give them favor. Interesting! Also, that when they were in captivity, they laid down some of the laws in order to maintain their separateness, as in not working one day of the week when every one else did, and circumcision. Gotta give them credit for having a strong national identity and surviving as a people all this time! Mommy of Hero- you might enjoy Spong's The Sins of Scripture or Jesus for the Non-Religious.

There was a time not too long ago where I did take much if not all of the Bible literally. (The more I read it, the less I could take it literally, though, and I saw it as people wrestling with the same spiritual questions I wrestle with.) Even when I took it literally, I also took the concept of "grace" literally and didn't feel that anyone was outside of God's grace, homosexual or otherwise. It also says in the Bible (Leviticus as well?) to stone a child who is misbehaving. It also says in the Bible (New Testament, too) not to gossip or slander. So I never worried about the homosexual "issue".

I spent five or six years going to evangelical churches. I stopped after my daughter was born. I wasn't on board with much of the teaching anyway, but had found a church family. I realized I don't want my dd raised in a church like that. In my more compassionate moments, I feel sorry for the conservative Christians, because most of the people I know from church are hurting and seeking refuge and healing and security, etc. In my less compassionate moments, I think the things they say are completely nutty! And annoying!
post #20 of 30
Here's a link to an article Bishop Spong wrote about why Christian intolerance of homosexuality is outdated: link
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