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post #221 of 338
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
Kids and I have all been sick.

My 12 year old isn't adjusting to school very well. She has sensory issues and is just overwhelmed. The work itself isn't a problem and now she's figured out how to keep it all organized, but the press of people and the noise are getting to her. I'm not sure what would be best for her, as homeschooling here is super isolating.

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to you and your DD

Maybe she needs more time to adjust?

Can you and she problem solve with the school counsellor/a sympathetic teacheron how to decrease some the overstimulation? It could be tricky, though, how to decrease noise - but not single yourself out. (i.e she may be able to leave class early or sit somewhere quiet for lunch - but she may not be game with that).

Gifted children often have sensory issues. Even if she is not "gifted" posting on that subforum may help - they may have btdt.

Lastly - could she HS part time? She may get the socialising she needs, but in more manageable chunks.

Good luck!

Kathy

edited to add: just read the later posts - great minds think alike! If you return to HSing - could cyber school work? Some cyber options included the online teacher doing everything....it may be cheaper than tutoring.
post #222 of 338
Okay, I have a small dilemma. I have a small problem with dd's geometry teacher. I think he is basically a nice guy and smart. However, he is very disorganized and seems to have some trouble with classroom control. For example, several boys were talking and he couldn't get them to stop so he assigned the whole class extra problems for homework - long proofs. I really dislike it when the kids who are trying hard to pay attention get punished along with the troublemakers. He is extremely slow in returning any homework. Often they have not had homework back before they are tested over the material. He is often vague about when tests will be or what is required on assignments. He'll say stuff like maybe we'll have the test tomorrow, or maybe the next day, or maybe next week. They have to keep a portfolio of theorems, postulates, formulas, etc. The assignment sheet states they should be organized by category (theorem, postulate,etc.) or by chapter. My dd did it by category and organized them within each category in a way that made sense to her. He evidently wanted them to be in order they appear in the book, but it was never specified. So she worked hours programming pretty diagrams and organizing 50 pages of this stuff. Then she gets docked for not doing them in order. I read the assignment, it didn't state that they should be. I've emailed him twice very politely asking about homework, and stating that although my dd really enjoys his class she is a bit anxious because she is having difficulty understanding what he wants and when exams will be. He has never answered. Dd has no difficulties in her other class - she's always on top of what is going on. I've tried to catch him before school but he tends to get there right as school starts so I can't hold him up.

So, dd still has a good grade in the class should I just blow this off? She is a little frustrated and anxious because she is never quite sure she is doing the assignment correctly (she gets the concept just unsure of the format he wants) or if she has a test coming up. They have a online grade book where both completed and upcoming assignments and tests are supposed to be posted. This teacher only posts graded assignments (which are few). The end of the first half of this course (block schedule) is next Friday.

It is definitely not a crisis situation, just annoying. The guy has potential of being a good teacher, this is only his second year. So, do I say anything or just let it ride?
post #223 of 338
Oh, that sounds REALLY aggravating and stressful about her geometry teacher! I would be getting pretty by this point. Since you asked, I would definitely NOT let it ride. I would ask for a parent-teacher-principal conference, and do it ASAP. I would have the three adults there, not your DD, and hash out exactly what is bugging you and your DD. For the first conference, I would avoid bringing your DD because you wouldn't want her to feel she is being singled out or attacked and made to be uncomfortable. But behind the scenes, you can work your butt off to make sure this teacher gets more accountable (hence the principal there) and more organized. He sounds, quite frankly, useless. But like you said, maybe there is hope for the guy. Anyway, that is how I would handle it, and I wish you all the luck in the world.
post #224 of 338
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
Where we live kids have to have a school physical, so getting a script at the same time would make sense as long as parents remember to do so.
But it was kind of awkward to say "I know DD isn't menstruating yet, but could you write her a script for menstrual cramps just in case?" Besides, we got into a huge arguement about vaccines and everything else I intended to ask her about was completely forgotten.

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Originally Posted by mom2ponygirl View Post
Okay, I have a small dilemma. I have a small problem with dd's geometry teacher.
You've tried to contact him directly, and he hasn't responded. I think it's time to go over his head. Let the principal know what's going on. I'm not sure you definitely need to schedule a 3 way conference at this point, but definitely call or email the principal with your concerns and go from there.
post #225 of 338
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Originally Posted by Ruthla View Post
You've tried to contact him directly, and he hasn't responded. I think it's time to go over his head. Let the principal know what's going on. I'm not sure you definitely need to schedule a 3 way conference at this point, but definitely call or email the principal with your concerns and go from there.
Thanks everyone. I'm going to try and talk to him after school this afternoon - one last ditch attempt at dealing with him directly. I'll also set up a little talk with the principal. He needs to know about the teacher not using the online system like it is intended. He can then be alert for further problems.

On a side note, I'm fighting a rotten cold. Perhaps I shouldn't go talk to him today but you know if he'd ever answered a single email he wouldn't have to face me and my virus!

I asked dd if she wanted me to speak to her teacher and she gave me an earth shattering, YES! so I guess I better get off my butt and do it.
post #226 of 338
Any luck with the geometry teacher? I'm guessing not.

My kids are all home on a 3-week break. It SUCKS. It was fine for the first week, but now the second week, I am ready to ship them all off. The fighting and bickering, and my son bored off his butt and plaguing the crap out of everyone. It all SUCKS and I definitely remember, oh BOY do I remember, why I stopped homeschooling. MAN am I hating this. Two more weeks. Crap. They are on year-round and there are three week breaks every so often. I wish there were no breaks. At all. There are already 52 weekends a year.....isn't that ENOUGH together time??

Heh heh, look what happens when HSers go over to the Dark Side!!
post #227 of 338
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Originally Posted by freestyler View Post

My kids are all home on a 3-week break. It SUCKS. It was fine for the first week, but now the second week, I am ready to ship them all off. The fighting and bickering, and my son bored off his butt and plaguing the crap out of everyone. It all SUCKS and I definitely remember, oh BOY do I remember, why I stopped homeschooling. MAN am I hating this. Two more weeks. Crap. They are on year-round and there are three week breaks every so often. I wish there were no breaks. At all. There are already 52 weekends a year.....isn't that ENOUGH together time??

Heh heh, look what happens when HSers go over to the Dark Side!!


LOL

I'm feeling the oposite ugg this dang homework I'm ready to pull her out now. heck homework for tonight one of the ?'s on the math paper was
"Use Markers
Show ways to make 8
Write the number sentence."
then it has 6 lines that show ___ +___
and it shows a chart with greyed out markers it shows 8 and to spots that are blank.

and down the paper more it has "Hailey used counters to make 4. She uses white,black,black,black. Is she correct? Explain why or why not "
Umm how the heck do they expect a 1st grader to explain that.
heck i'm not even sure how to explain that

post #228 of 338
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Originally Posted by SoCaliMommy View Post


LOL

I'm feeling the oposite ugg this dang homework I'm ready to pull her out now. heck homework for tonight one of the ?'s on the math paper was
"Use Markers
Show ways to make 8
Write the number sentence."
then it has 6 lines that show ___ +___
and it shows a chart with greyed out markers it shows 8 and to spots that are blank.

and down the paper more it has "Hailey used counters to make 4. She uses white,black,black,black. Is she correct? Explain why or why not "
Umm how the heck do they expect a 1st grader to explain that.
heck i'm not even sure how to explain that

Yes, she was correct because one white markers and three black markers makes 4 markers altogether.

It makes it all very concrete, and very real, instead of cramming math facts to memorize down their throats.
post #229 of 338
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Originally Posted by mommy2maya View Post
Yes, she was correct because one white markers and three black markers makes 4 markers altogether.

It makes it all very concrete, and very real, instead of cramming math facts to memorize down their throats.


Okay yeah that does make sense.
post #230 of 338
Some news: DD got her progress report today...She's in 7th in ps.

Soc Studies A- (three graded assignments)
Lang Arts B
Math Enrichment B+ (this is a kind of remedial math class that is referral only)
Pre Algebra E
Science E

The pre algebra was just two points away from a D. We knew it was coming and figured the science was low too. But, she is missing 5 homework assignments in Pre Alg. She doesn't know why or what it was.

Just an update too, my dd has some LD's (by definition, we didn't say this when homeschooling) and the school is still testing her. We have an IEP meeting in two weeks. I'm pretty sure they will need to help her get organized (missing homework) since she is NOT.

Overall though, she (and we, LOL) were pretty happy about her other grades. The best thing is though, even with the E's she still loves school. She hates algebra though. And why are they even teaching it now in Jr. High? This is high school level math, same with her science. The algebra is what we had in 9th grade in the 1980's. And there is no other option! I do hate that part. Alot.

Emotionally, I've been pining a bit. My youngest was home today with suspected chicken pox. I miss the relaxed pace. Somedays I just keep rolling it over in my mind, hmmm, I hope we are doing the right thing here...
post #231 of 338


Sneezykids~ Too bad we aren't closer, i'd love to expose my 3yr old to the chicken pox.

Alex pretty much failed her 1st spelling test/math review/poem recitation last week.
When asked why she only wrote down 5 of the 10spelling words she said she didn't get enough time, she also had only 2 words of the sentence they were also expected to write down done. The 5 words she did do on the top of the paper it says the teacher helped her write them. On reciting the poem she got a 2 (partially proficiant-sometimes meets standards) for memorization and eye contact.She got a 3(proficient- grade level standard performance) for Posture, and a 1(not proficient-below grade level standard) for Voice.

I have a feeling this weeks test will be worse especially for the poem test since this weeks poem is way way longer than last weeks.

post #232 of 338
Ugh, recitation and stuff. THAT kind of thing makes me want to still HS. Does that kind of thing really help us learn? Besides rote learning, that is?

I'm glad everyone is hanging in there, albeit with some stresses it sounds like. School....who would have thought we'd all be doing this now?
post #233 of 338


I don't think it helps at all. And especially the way they are grading kids for memorizing stuff.

I'm trying to hold out til December since that was my dh's compromise to my wanting to homeschool Alex, was that she start 1st grade in public school and go til December when we will re evaluate on if we are going to pull her out. She struggled so much in public school K last year.

post #234 of 338
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And why are they even teaching it now in Jr. High? This is high school level math, same with her science. The algebra is what we had in 9th grade in the 1980's. And there is no other option! I do hate that part. Alot.
It's strange that there's no other option. DD2 (8th grade) is in honors classes for math and science, and so is doing the same thing that DD1 is doing in 9th grade. She has the option of switching to regular 8th grade classes if these are too hard for her (but she's doing fine.)

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Ugh, recitation and stuff. THAT kind of thing makes me want to still HS. Does that kind of thing really help us learn? Besides rote learning, that is?
It works for some kids. Otherwise, who would have ever thought to teach kids this way? There actually ARE kids whose innate learning style is to memorize stuff and parrot it out, building up stores of trivia in their minds that they then sort out and make meaning of when they're older.

But that's only some kids. The vast majority of kids find that rote memorization gets in the way of exploring the world and creating the neural connections that lead to REAL learning. Not to mention the effect on self-esteem when they do poorly because they learn best in another method.

But it really sounds like Alex is being penalized for writing slowly- she didn't have time to write down all the words and the teacher didn't wait for her? This must be terribly confusing to her- on the one hand, she needs to write neatly or the teacher will make her redo the work. OTOH, if she writes slowly and carefully, she won't finish in time. Is the teacher TRYING to make Alex write quickly and sloppily? I really think you need to talk to her teacher about this- how on earth can Alex learn if she's not given a chance to copy down the information she needs to study?

If Alex stays in school, you may need to deal with special ed evaluations and an IEP- it really sounds to me like she's simply not capable of doing the writing they're expecting her to do. Her little fingers just aren't ready, and if the only way they can accomodate her needs is to label her "learning delayed" then you may need to go that route.

DD2 is really doing well and is happy in school. She got an 82 on her Algebra test, and I went over it with her. She lost 8 points (2.5 problems) for sloppy mistakes (mixing up signs and adding where she should have subtracted or vice versa) and 10 points (2 problems) because she didn't understand mathmatical notation- she didn't realize that 2X^2 (two ex squared) meant to square the X and THEN multiply by two, she thought that it meant to multiply by two and then square all of it. If you want to square both of them, then you'd write (2X)^2 instead. This is a fairly simple concept that she "missed" by not taking pre-algebra. But now that I've explained it to her, she understands it and isn't likely to make that mistake again.

It's also fairly irritating that she had less homework this week, and as a result she was less organized. I don't mind doing extra housework when she's busy with homework, but it really pissed me off to do all the dishes myself while she was playing on the computer. And then she forgot to "do her lunch homework" last night and barely had time to make her lunch this morning before school- I think she ended up being a few minutes late to school.
post #235 of 338


Ruthla~ I plan on talking with her teachers. I know Alex for sure has problems with her attention span. I think if the spelling/math part of the test was time, it shouldn't have been. Since they were expected to copy 10 words, write a full sentence that was probably printed on the whiteboard also, and 2 pages of math to also complete.

post #236 of 338
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Alex pretty much failed her 1st spelling test/math review/poem recitation last week.
When asked why she only wrote down 5 of the 10spelling words she said she didn't get enough time, she also had only 2 words of the sentence they were also expected to write down done. The 5 words she did do on the top of the paper it says the teacher helped her write them.
Does it matter? My dd who started school last year in 5th grade bombed pretty much every spelling test she took, but she got As on all her spelling homework and a B in spelling. Even aside from the "it all averages out" thing, does it really matter what she gets in spelling?

I'm noticing a common theme than kids in school do far more writing than kids who are homeschooled, so when formerly homeschooled kids start school, they write slower. Eventually they catch up because they get so much practice at it, but in the mean time, can you and your DD just not let the grade matter to either of you?

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On reciting the poem she got a 2 (partially proficiant-sometimes meets standards) for memorization and eye contact.She got a 3(proficient- grade level standard performance) for Posture, and a 1(not proficient-below grade level standard) for Voice.
Unless your school gives grades of F and your child recieves one, they haven't failed squat. It's a really big leap to go from a child getting 3 marks on an assignment, one of which was "proficient," to saying they failed. And even if you didn't say it to her, the fact that you feel that she failed will show up in your attitude.

Did she not speak up? Is that what "voice" means?

Reciting a poem is the begining of learning to speak in public. There really is a lot to get out of the exercise. Since they do it every week, she'll get far more comfortable speaking up for herself, which can only be a good thing.
post #237 of 338
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
Does it matter? My dd who started school last year in 5th grade bombed pretty much every spelling test she took, but she got As on all her spelling homework and a B in spelling. Even aside from the "it all averages out" thing, does it really matter what she gets in spelling?

It does since the school seems like they are already putting pressure on them to get a good %, as shown by having the parents read over the packet with the spelling test/poem test/math test. and then having the parents sign the paper and return it to school.


Did she not speak up? Is that what "voice" means?
I'm assuming she didn't and that is what "voice means'"

Reciting a poem is the begining of learning to speak in public. There really is a lot to get out of the exercise. Since they do it every week, she'll get far more comfortable speaking up for herself, which can only be a good thing.


She can be very outgoing and has no problems talking to strangers so i was kinda shocked she had problems not speaking up with the poem from last week
post #238 of 338
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It does since the school seems like they are already putting pressure on them to get a good %, as shown by having the parents read over the packet with the spelling test/poem test/math test. and then having the parents sign the paper and return it to school.
Everything from my child's school that they want to make sure the parents see must be signed and returned. It doesn't mean anything. It's just to make sure that you see it.
post #239 of 338
Both my dc are still happy at school (a pleasant shock!). Ds5 is in preK, so it's fun by design, and his teacher is one of the best I've seen.

Ds12 still hasn't made friends, but is on "good terms" with everyone, AFAIK, and doesn't seem bothered. He's not having any trouble in classes, except for English. He's great at reading, spelling, and vocab. Writing and grammar rules are a challenge, though. I never saw much point in teaching children grammar rules, myself!

This made me -- I was walking down the hall with ds12 (Taro) after school, and his English teacher was coming from the other direction. He and I said "Hi" to her. She said, to me, "Do you have a relationship with Taro?"

I was like, WTF? I said "Of course I have a relationship with him; he's my best friend!" She, without bothering with any pleasantries, started in on him about how he hadn't been asking questions in class, even though he obviously had questions, because he hadn't finished the work.

She's addressing this to him, not me, and not bothering to explain to me what she's talking about (I found out later it was grammar worksheets). She told him (reasonably) that he needed to ASK if he didn't understand. Then she said that since it was group work, the other students in his group's grades would suffer if he didn't do a better job. She told him that he needed to ask his groupmates questions, because their class was "one of her largest classes," and that she couldn't possibly answer every question. The class has EIGHTEEN kids! I'd hate to see how she'd deal with a real big class!

She was very condescending to him, and really rubbed me the wrong way. I didn't have a great opinion of her in the first place, and that exchange didn't improve it any!
post #240 of 338
Urgh. I have to wonder why people like that are teaching middle school. If you don't like adolescents, and won't treat them with respect, why work with them all day?


OTOH, this is a good opportunity for Taro to learn how to deal with unpleasant people. In the working world, not all bosses and co-workers are easy to get along with. (BTW, I wouldn't make this kind of comment for a younger child- dealing with unpleasant people at age 12 is a lot different from learning to deal with them at age 7! Plus, this is only ONE of his teachers, not the sole adult in charge all day.)
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