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Originally Posted by abimommy 
My problem was how he treated the characters. Many of their shining moments he failed them.
Arwyn never faltered from her choice of mortality. That was where she was brave, not taking Glorfindel's roll or keeling over with that "Arwyn's fate is tied to the ring" blah.
Tolkien said her tale was the saddest and she CHOSE it. It wasn't that he tried to make her part bigger or her braver but he completely missed the point. She was already brave.
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I could
maybe see giving Arwyn a little more onscreen time, but the character in the movie
sucked. I wanted to beat someone every time she came on screen. And, I have no idea why he put in that whole made up scene where she rescued Frodo, because her whole character otherwise came across as a particularly fatuous 14 year old fan of bad romances.
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| Faramir was educated by Gandalf and in the books Frodo offers him the ring. Faramir said he wouldn't pick up the ring if he found it laying by the road. |
I thought Jackson handled Boromir really well - managed to show the real underlying nobility of the character in his final confrontation with Frodo and his death. That made the way he savaged Faramir's character just annoying. That whole scene in Osgiliath when Frodo was standing there facing the Nazgul (who can sense the Ring, but didn't realize it was
right there, and let Frodo go??) and all that was just sooooo annoying, in every way. TTT was a fiasco on the Frodo/Sam storyline, although the director's cut does a better job with Faramir, imo.
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| That was the tragedy of Denethor, he sent the wrong son. Faramir is the one who should have gone and that is why Boromir died.His failure to see Faramir cost him Boromir. *Faramir had the dream several times before Boromir did* |
All of which was left out, of course.
OMG - those are great. I can see where I'm going to be wasting time online once I'm done going through all the back articles on Cracked.com.
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Ah, TORn. My very first forum.  Back when Mum was convinced everyone on the internet was an axe-murderer.
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Totally OT, but I was just thinking of this the other day. The changes in the way people view the net over the last 5-10 years blow my mind.
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| I agree about the book-to-film changes, BTW. Aragorn's near-death scene with the Wargs seemed particularly fatuous. It's not like Tolkien didn 't give us enough near-death scenes in the book! |
That entire sequence, from the moment he went off the cliff until he arrived back in Helm's Deep, made me want to tear someone's head off. And, that little romantic interlude with Arwen? UGH!
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| And the Arwen thing particularly galled me because I didn't like Liv Tyler's acting. |
See...I didn't mind her acting, exactly. I think she played the character
exactly the way Jackson wanted it. And, it was
awful. She just...made her miraculous rescue of Frodo, then languished for two whole movies!
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| I did love the flash-forward scene in TTT, though, that took material from the appendices - you know, the "He will come to death, an image of the splendor of the kings of Men in glory undimmed before the breaking of the world... But you, my daughter..." bit. Hugo Weaving acted his socks off there, and the cinematography was just lovely. |
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| I do like the movies. Well, I love Fellowship, have SERIOUS issues with TTT, and really like some parts of ROTK. |
I'm about the same, except that I like almost all of ROTK...except that the "Oliphaunts" are
stupid...absolutely stupid. I hate that kind of Hollywood-style overkill. If they'd actually been that big, there wouldn't have been anybody left on the Plain by the time Theoden arrived. Regular elephants, or even
slightly oversized elephants would have been great. Those things were just asinine.
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| I was pleased with how they conveyed Frodo's gradual decline after returning to the Shire - the "How do you pick up the threads of an old life?" speech was really classy, I thought. And I was SO freaking thrilled they put in the lines from the end of the book about the Grey Havens - "white shores, and beyond - a far green country under a swift sunrise". I know they relocated the line (no way around it, really), but golly, it WORKED. That moment, and the moment right at the start of Fellowship where Galadriel takes Treebeard's line - "The world has changed...", sent shivers down my spine. Brilliant stuff. |
Agreed. I like the sequences in the Shire quite well, in general.
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Better than the books, though? Nah. In my opinion the goodness of the movies VERY closely correlates to their faithfulness to the books - with the odd exception, like the nuclear Galadriel freakout scene, which was technically faithful but executed very... strangely... visually. And I don't think I'm just saying that as a rabid Tolkien fan - the bits where the plot diverged seemed less artistically true in the films in their own right. I think. Hard to separate myself from the source material, though.  |
Yeah - that scene with Galadriel was way too weird for me. It was just so odd.
I do enjoy the movies. I tend to watch segments of them while doing step workouts and things like that. I just really don't like 99% of the stuff that was added, or changed.
And, on thinking about it a bit more, I'm going to say I do think The Princess Bride was a somewhat better movie. The book had the same feel, but I think it worked better as a movie.
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