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post #1 of 17
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We live in a town of 6,000 people, one elementary school with five sections of Kindergarten. I grew up in this town, and have always been happy with my public education, even as I know (very well) its shortcomings. There are no private school options in town, and I'd always taken a principled opposition to those families who drove their kids out of town for private schools.

Well. My oldest DS turned 5 in May, and is heading to Kindergarten. We registered him yesterday. There is no half-day option. DS will catch the bus at 7:40am and be home around 3:30pm. I was holding it together through registration until we were leaving the building, when a registration worker told us: "The Kindergarten teachers are great. You're going to learn so much in all day Kindergarten! By the end of the year, they'll have him reading!"

DS has been reading for over a year. When we told the worker this, she said, "Well, they'll work with that, too."

And like that, every politically principled bone in my body melted away, and I wanted to whisk my boy off to some open curriculum, anti-authoritarian "unschool", flooded with natural light and educators trained in all the sorts of approaches we see listed in the 'sticky threads' on this board.

I know this is something to just get past - and not just because we could not afford that kind of education for him. DS was in preschool 4 mornings a week last year, and loved it. He is whip smart, and is reading books I didn't touch until 2nd grade. He is also very sensitive, and emotionally younger than his age, and will be disadvantaged (in the context of his peers) because we don't have a TV, and his exposure to popular kid culture has been minimal.

He is so excited about school. But if he's bored, I can easily imagine him acting out. Then getting in trouble. Then being devastated. And beginning to hate school. My fears are exacerbated by his classroom assignment...he's been placed with a teacher just two years on the job. [I know that I'm making an unwarranted assumption about less experienced teachers - maybe she'll be full of energy and cutting edge pedagogies, but in our rural area, the odds are with my assumption.]

I know that Kindergarten will have a great deal to teach my kid, and I appreciate the challenge teachers face when they have classes which include a tremendous range of abilities. What can I do to help my boy - with his own intellectual abilities and curiosity, as well as his emotional development? What would you do or what have you done?

Somebody, please talk me down....I posted an update which describes my real anxiety of how to deal with conflicts (with teachers or school system) when they arise.
post #2 of 17
Just take a deep breath and calm down. It is very, very normal for kids to be all different levels and the teachers are used to working with that. My daughter is going into grade 2 and she is reading at a 5th grade level. But for every thing your child knows more than some other students there is something that other students will know more about than your son. It will all balance out in the end. School is not just about learning. There are also social skills to be learned, and all sorts of other things. He will do fine and will probably love it. If you think he is too young for all day school then keep him home another year and start him in first grade next year. My kids started in first and second grade (last year). Good luck!
post #3 of 17
YEs I was very suprised and happy to see how dd kindergarden teacher totally adjusted for the diffrent levels of learning in her classroom. My dd was way ahead in some areas and countinued working ahead in those was on task in others and also progressed well and where she needed a little extra help she got it.

Deanna
post #4 of 17
Any class room will have kids working at several different levels. That's the norm. Some teachers are better at handling it than others.

Many of the people working at our school's registration were parent volunteers, so unless you know the woman is who made the comment, I'd take it with a grain of salt. This wasn't a conversation with someone who is going to be involved with your sons day to day education, it was some one willing to show up and help with paper work.

Wait til school starts and meet his teacher, and talk directly to her about any concerns you still have. My DD attends a traditional public school and I LOVED her teacher last year. She was great at working with kids at different levels, included lots of different kinds of learning, and taught with a very open heart.
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by Xpcting#3 View Post

DS has been reading for over a year. When we told the worker this, she said, "Well, they'll work with that, too."
I took the words to mean that the difference in reading ability will be accommodated.
post #6 of 17
If your child is potentially gifted at all, I'd also suggest posting a query on the gifted board.

Honestly, speaking, on other gifted boards I've read in the past is that incoming K students are all very excited to start. Almost every year at least 1/2 of them have issues by January. Some dislike school, some start acting out, some are board.

So much depends on the teacher and how well the particular teacher is willing to accomodate, and the school.

While there are many things to learn in K besides academics, a child that is academically ahead can still have large issues if the classroom academic pace is well below his/her level.

As it was, my daughter last year had a difficult time in a play-based preschool, because she was 2-3 years beyond it in academics. One wouldn't think it would make a difference in a play-based preschool, but there was noone she could share her love of books with, she would write letters to the kids in class and was very sad noone could write her back, she would get 'letter' papers to bring home, she did counting to 20. She would cry at night because she was too old for preschool and wanted to be in K with her sister.

While there were many aspects of pre-school that she enjoyed, the lack of academic accomodation still had a very negative impact on her.

While so very excited to go to pre-k last year, she did not want to go to K this year. Luckily she is in a gifted K, but it is still taking work to repair the damage from last year.

On the flip, some of the stories I've read have been great about how kids have been accomodated in K.

My point is, though, this is something you will need to watch. I would not expect accomodations in that first month as teachers and kids get to know each other, but after that, I would expect something. Just keep in the back of your head, you may or may not need to do some advocation.

Tammy
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by Xpcting#3 View Post
We live in a town of 6,000 people, one elementary school with five sections of Kindergarten. I grew up in this town, and have always been happy with my public education, even as I know (very well) its shortcomings. There are no private school options in town, and I'd always taken a principled opposition to those families who drove their kids out of town for private schools.

I wonder if we live in the same town...


no advice because I went back and forth on the kindy issue, and I am still still second guessing my choice.

When we reg. at the public school they did mention they would accommodate readers as well as non reader.

good luck
post #8 of 17
If you think there is a 50% chance or greater that your son will get something positive out of kindy (and it sounds like you do), give it a shot. If trouble starts, you can reassess. Give yourself permission to reassess at certain times- say, natural breaks in January and over the summer.

Worst case scenario: a wretched, awful K still isn't going to suck out your son's love of learning in 4 or 9 months. And it sounds like it isn't at all a WCS kind of situation.

Everything will be fine.
post #9 of 17
I would suggest not borrowing trouble before you know its there. At this point, you don't know what the teacher will be like. You don't know what levels the kids will be at in the class. You don't know that your child will be bored, or that he will act out, or that he will get into trouble. Well, OK, all kids get into trouble ocassionally, so maybe you do know that one. But still, please keep an open mind and a positive attitude as your child starts school. You might be in for a wonderful surprise. Of course, it might not go so well either. But if that is the case, by waiting until you know specifically what sorts of issues are cropping up, you have a better chance of coming up with a good plan of attach. Right now, you are flailing at ghosts. Deep breath. Big smile and confidence for your son. Open eyes and ears. Get involved in the classroom if you can. Did I mention deep breath?
post #10 of 17
Yep, I agree with everyone else. Relax.

My son went to school much ahead of his class. He's been doing advanced reading and math both years and is now about to start 2nd grade. I'd totally volunteer in the class if that's an option for you so you can see exactly what's going on.

Oh and I wasn't sure about the all day kindergarten either, but I'm really happy we went with it. My kid got time for lots of recesses, music, PE (his favorite part of school) and having lots of time to spend with his teacher and the other kids who were at his same level.
post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
I appreciate the responses and kind words. I especially appreciate the replies that remind me that even if things are bad, things will be okay. I know, know, know that public school is the right decision, and DS will be just fine. And the reading thing isn't the issue, honestly - DS will continue to learn plenty at school and at home.

My real, deep anxiety comes from putting him into the hands of a system that accepts fundamentally different values than my family holds. This may come up now, or it may come up later, but it will come up. It did plenty when I was a kid in the schools here.

If the weather is bad, kindergarteners have 'indoor recess', which means watching a film. When I asked what film they'd last viewed, it was Disney. "Aladdin", yet. Families have "opted out" of films for their kids - these kids get to sit in the hall while the class watches.

Pledge of allegiance. DH and I are pacifists and belong to a religious tradition that doesn't swear oaths or pledges. I have no idea how we will traverse those waters.

I'd love stories (if not advice) from those of you who have had less than wonderful experiences with public school systems which and/or teachers. How have you picked your battles? How do you work [B]with[B/] teachers at those times, and not against them?
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by Xpcting#3 View Post
My real, deep anxiety comes from putting him into the hands of a system that accepts fundamentally different values than my family holds.
I don't feel like the school my child attends holds fundementally different values than I do. In the big picture, we all want the kids to learn, to have enjoy their day, to be healthy, to make friends, to become solid citizens with character. If I didn't feel like we had the same core values, I wouldn't send my kid there.

Sure there differences in how we think those can best be achieved, but the big picture is the same. And the big picture is the same for *most* of the parents. Are you focusing on details rather than the big picture, or do you and school have such a different vision that it truly is not a fit? I suspect you are focusing on the wrong things, but I don't know you.

One piece of advice that I got from a former homeschooler about enrolling a child for school is to take it as a whole. Is being in the school overall the right place for child, or is it NOT overall the right place? If you want to control every detail, then don't send your child to any school. If you feel school is best, then accept it as a whole and let the little stuff slide.

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If the weather is bad, kindergarteners have 'indoor recess', which means watching a film.
Many schools do this. It's the norm. They don't do it at the school my kid attends because the parents joined together and said that it wasn't recess. The kids need to move around and talk and watching a movie (any movie) doesn't give them a chance to do so.

So now on indoor recess days, half the kids have *active* recess in the gym with balls, jump ropes, mats to roll on, and space to run. The other half have *quiet* recess in their class room -- they can talk (quietly), color, play cards, play computer games, read, etc. (The next indoor recess they switch).

This might be something you could be part of changing at your child's school. The movie thing may be the norm, but it is a silly norm that can be changed.


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Pledge of allegiance. DH and I are pacifists and belong to a religious tradition that doesn't swear oaths or pledges. I have no idea how we will traverse those waters.
I'd talk to others who practice your religion for support and practical advice.

Our situation is different. My DH is from another country and we love the US, think it is the best country in the world, and are happy to have our kids learn the pledge. I'm not knocking your views, just showing you a different one. Part of being at school is learning to be tolerant of other views. It is one of the great things about public schools over homeschooling or religious based schools -- they really try to teach the kids tolerance (sometimes more successfully than others). You can't learn tolerance if you aren't around people who are a little different than yourself.

I think that as a pacifist its odd that you ask how to pick battles.
post #13 of 17
One thing-- on the Pledge thing. I've had plenty of kids in my classes who for one reason or another don't say the pledge. Mostly, the parents would come to me privately at the start of the school year and mention it, and they, the child, and I would quietly work out something. Mostly, I'd either have that child off doing a regular errand for me at that time, or the child would just stand quietly with his hands at his side at that time, or if the child was comfortable with standing out a bit, the child would sit quietly. Whatever the parent and child were comfortable with. When issues like this arise, usually the best way to handle it is to approach the teacher and have a nice non-defensive conversation. Most of the time, things can be handled reasonably in this way and a conflict never arises.

I share your worries in a lot of ways, although I also was a public school teacher. Now that my DD1 is starting kindy, I'm starting to look at schools from another angle. The recess movie thing is something I never thought twice about until I had my own kids; it was just what we did. But if a parent came to be and spoke to me about it, I would have rethought it, and found another solution to the indoor recess problem. So again, it never hurts to just bring it up and see what reaction you get.

So yeah-- I suggest not borrowing trouble. Take it slowly, and assume the best until you have reason to think otherwise. When you feel the need, go talk to the teacher. Most teachers are reasonable and intelligent, and if they're approached in an open non-defensive way, they'll work with you. This may work out just fine. If it doesn't, you cross that bridge when you come to it.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by octobermom View Post
YEs I was very suprised and happy to see how dd kindergarden teacher totally adjusted for the diffrent levels of learning in her classroom. My dd was way ahead in some areas and countinued working ahead in those was on task in others and also progressed well and where she needed a little extra help she got it.
At the elementary school my kids have gone to, the teachers work with the kids at their own levels. There are always a few kids that are already reading at the end of the year target when K starts, and they continue to give them work at their own level as much as possible, while continuing to support them where they might not be working at grade level.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
Many schools do this. It's the norm. They don't do it at the school my kid attends because the parents joined together and said that it wasn't recess. The kids need to move around and talk and watching a movie (any movie) doesn't give them a chance to do so.
for real? what happened to heads-up 7-up? i rarely had to have indoor reccess, but we sure didn't get to watch any movie... movies had to be ordered like a month out for the equipment!
post #16 of 17
I'm a homeschooler now, but I've worked with schools, and did public Pre-K last year.

I would choose your worries here. First off, someone doing registration has very very little to do with your child's day to day school experience. Second, she'd probably been doing the "talk to parents and encourage them about K" thing all day, so she was probably getting frazzled and worse at it. If the *teacher* had said that same thing dismissively or flippantly, that would be more of an issue. Someone working registration, eh, forget her. In my experience, teachers are often great even when administration is crappy.

Movies for "recess" would be worth fighting the school about IMO. At a minimum, I would decline to let your son participate and send him with something else to do, like a great book series to read maybe (my daughter is loving the Flat Stanley books, and they're pretty easy reading) or something art related. I would clear that with the teacher first, but it CAN'T be the first time parents wanted a kid at that school to do something worthwhile at indoor recess rather than watch truly brainless TV (this coming from someone with a background in children's TV and a graduate school research project into Disney movies specifically). Here, they do indoor recess, like real recess with games and balls.

I dunno about the pledge. I'm opposed to it too, particularly since it's been altered, but the PS here doesn't do it anyway. I guess I would start with the teacher there too.

Just like the don't count your chickens/blessings before they hatch, don't count your vipers/troubles before they hatch!
post #17 of 17
we were v. lucky that we were able to work with the teachers.

i gave them a week to get used to the kids.

for me the biggie was volunteering.

i got to watch my dd. and i got to know exactly what was going on.

plus my being there really helped me connect with the teacher. my dd was really happy that i was there and really got to know her classmates.

now that i think more about it - that was the key. volunteering.

my dd was bored, bored out of her mind. instead of misbehaving she zoned out. day dream.

i have yet to read the book - what is it called 'how to stay connected to your kids'. i have seen it recommended here quite often.

when my dd discovered her dad does not believe in the pledge she stopped saying it.

looking back what stopped my dd going into depression which she came v. v. close to - was me volunteering and our constant talking to the teachers. both teachers were too strapped to offer her much academic support. however they did what they could. which was enough for dd. at K the teacher discovered dd's leadership qualities and used her help a lot. dd went to school because she was so worried her teacher couldnt teach without her help. it gave her a feeling of importance.

so when others say relax, not borrowing trouble till you get there - that has been my expereience too. my dd has not really enjoyed the classroom experience these last two years. however she loves her teachers and she did ok. so something always gives. it didnt seem so at that moment. but looking back - it worked out.
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