my baby is behind on her shots!!!

[taleeyah]

So my daughter is now 13 months old and the last shots she had was when she was two months old. Is it bad that i havnt followed up with them?? she is rarely ever sick. I just always thought that babies who get their shots are always sick. If you have any advice please let me know what i should do.

[denimtiger]

What you do is up to you. My dd is 26 months old and hasn't had any shots since she was 2 months old, either. And she won't have any ever again. Maybe do some research about the shots and the diseases they are intended to prevent and see what you decide.

[ILoveMyBabyBird]

Originally Posted by taleeyah

So my daughter is now 13 months old and the last shots she had was when she was two months old. Is it bad that i havnt followed up with them?? she is rarely ever sick. I just always thought that babies who get their shots are always sick. If you have any advice please let me know what i should do.

You need to do the research yourself, of course i think every mom questions vaxes, as they make the babies cry, kwim? And who wants to cause their lo's pain? But it's more than that. Each person here has done the research or is here to find out more about vaccinations, so you've come to the right place, although the basis is that most people will say not to vaccinate, but as another poster said, one of her lo's has a disorder that she has decided that the benefits outweight the risks, and that is good that she has done the research and decided what is best for her lo's. When i was questioning vaxing, (ds had all shots up to 9 months) the people on here suggested that i just put off the next shots until i did more research and that is something you should consider. If you do the research and decide that vaxing is not for your lo no harm, if you decide you want to delay/selective vax, then set up the schedule and in the end if you want to go ahead with vaxing then you can always get the vaxes once the research is done. As it is, your lo has gone nearly a year w/o further vaxes and has not fallen gravely ill due to not vaxing, so just take a few weeks/months however long you feel you need to help you officially make the decision on vaxing/non vaxing once you are more educated on the subject.

[Yulia_R]

Originally Posted by taleeyah

my baby is behind on her shots!!!

Good for her!

I allowed my son to have few shots when he was a baby and I regret it deeply. I am so happy I knew better when my daughter was born, she is completely vaccines free.

[miriam]

I have a lifetime of research in my brain. I feel that you need to do the same amount of research and make the decision that is best for you and your child.

[MittensKittens]

Originally Posted by miriam

I have a lifetime of research in my brain. I feel that you need to do the same amount of research and make the decision that is best for you and your child.

Agreed, however I think we forget that the default is to not vaccinate, in this world where we face constant propaganda in favor of vaxing. You can never take out what you put in to your child, but you can choose to vaccinate later on.

[Madders]

My daughter will soon be six and has not had a vaccination since two months. It was the right choice for us.

[emma1325]

Originally Posted by MittensKittens

Agreed, however I think we forget that the default is to not vaccinate, in this world where we face constant propaganda in favor of vaxing. You can never take out what you put in to your child, but you can choose to vaccinate later on.

Yes!!! The default is to not interfere with the biological norm. The default is to not mess with the immune system in an attempt to produce immunity artificially. The default is to not circumcise a perfect baby boy. The default is to not introduce artificial baby milk into an infant's stomach.

Research and find very strong, verifiable reasons TO interfere with the biological norm. Otherwise you (or your child) may become a victim of propaganda.

[2boyzmama]

It's not necessarily bad, only you can decide what decision is right for you and your family. Here's how I approached the issue for each member of my family (because the decision should not be a "one size fits all" even within the same family, you may make one decision for yourself, a different one for your daughter, and still a different one for another child):

1. Start with the recommended vax schedule. Make a list of every vaccine (every component of the vaccine, for example, DTaP protects against three diseases, you need to list each one separately)

2. Read up on what the disease is, find out the following: How prevalent is it in this country? In your area? How serious is the disease? How treatable is the disease? How easy is it to diagnose the disease and start appropriate treatment?

3. Then get a list of the ingredients in the vaccine (you can find this online easily by googling "vaccine inserts"). If there's an ingredient you don't recognize, research it.

4. Read up on the side effects of the vaccine. How frequently do they occur? Are they easily treatable? Is the vaccine effective?

5. Then you have to look at the person in question...is she at any more or less risk than any other child of contracting the disease? Is she at more or less risk of side effects from the disease? For example, I have one son with an immune deficiency and with numerous birth defects, so he is much more susceptible to contracting illness AND of severe side effects of illness. So that was a huge factor when making the vaccine decision for him. My other son, though, is big strong and healthy, not at any more risk of contracting illness or of side effects. So two children, same family, different decision process.

6. Is that same person at any more or less risk of side effects from the vaccines? For example, people with known ecsema, food allergies, or a family history of vaccine reactions may be contraindicated from certain vaccines. Using my family as an example again, my special needs son is at a hugely increased risk of developing auto-immune disease because of his underlying medical conditions, and some vaccines have been tied to an increase in certain auto-immune diseases. So I had to consider that when making the decision for him.

7. Then you have to do some soul searching...some parents believe that the biological norm should be the starting point, and prefer not to vaccinate. In other words, if their child gets a vaccine-preventable-illness then it's just bad luck (or fate or whatever word you prefer). But if that same child were to get a vaccine and have serious side effects, then it was because the parent made a conscious decision to alter the biological norm.

On the flip side, some parents think that making the conscious decision NOT to vaccinate means they are knowingly choosing to not offer protection to their child. So if their child were to then get sick, they would feel as if they had a tool to use to possibly prevent it, but chose not to.

Only you can decide which view point you have, which one you could live with more.

8. Then I encourage you to look up ways to increase your entire family's overall health. Evaluate your diet (do you have a lot of artificial foods? Preservatives? Too much of one food group and not enough of another?) Look at your environment...can you decrease your chemical exposure?

There's no right or wrong decision here. I am opposed to anyone who is purely pro or anti-vaccine, because I don't think that the decision should be black and white like that.

Once you have done your research and come to your own conclusions, then you need to re-evaluate once in a while. Run through the checklist again, see if anything's changed. If a new vaccine comes out, research that one. If an old vaccine is reformulated, look at it again. If you move to a different location with different illness risks, consider that. If your access to health care changes, factor that in again. The decision does not have to be static.

Good luck!!! It may seem overwhelming, but you'll be very glad you did it!

[ZoeyZoo]

My DD is 15 months and completely non-vaxed. I have researched this issue a lot over the last 4 years and I don't personally feel the risk is worth the benefits here in the US. There are lots of great links in the threads on this board and in the sticky if you want to learn more before deciding.

[Emmeline II]

My second is 100% vax free.

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vax.

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Inside Vaccines

Vaccines-The Risks, the Benefits, the Choices DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY
YOUTUBE: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40451107552&q=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87981735&hl=en
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf

[Jugs]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

If you want to hear a bunch of people tell you your doing the right thing and vaccines are all bad you came to the right place. I'm sure there will be plenty to make you feel great about that at to encourage you not to update her at any time.

Which, for many of us, is a breath of fresh air in comparisson to the pro-vaccine climate of virtually every other online community.

[New_Natural_Mom]

DS never had his shots and never will. We are healthy and happy.

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by taleeyah

So my daughter is now 13 months old and the last shots she had was when she was two months old. Is it bad that i havnt followed up with them?? she is rarely ever sick. I just always thought that babies who get their shots are always sick. If you have any advice please let me know what i should do.

Go through Emmeline II's list of questions. And don't be shy to ask questions here. There are many mama's with an amzing collection of links to information that will help you come to the best decision for your family.

[miriam]

Originally Posted by MittensKittens

Agreed, however I think we forget that the default is to not vaccinate, in this world where we face constant propaganda in favor of vaxing. You can never take out what you put in to your child, but you can choose to vaccinate later on.

What does any one have against someone who does research and makes up their own mind?

[emma1325]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

TMost children will have no issues with vaccines.

This is not even close to being a verifiable fact. There have never been long term studies comparing vaccinated vs. non-vaccinated individuals. There have never been studies confirming the safety of injecting certain highly questionable vaccine ingredients into babies/children.

Your statement has no more merit than if I were to state "Most children will have serious issues with vaccines eventually."

[ChristianMomOf2]

I agree Emma...

there is actually a Dr. out of Toronto, who I was on a conference call with this month. He's got proof enough that ALL vaccines cause blood sludging (which often leads to minor strokes). You can see his research & credentials on his website www.brainguardmd.com

He's an MD & PhD. Besides his medical training he has training in child psychology, neuro-development and such.. you can see it for yourself.

As a result of about 300+ hours of study (including CDC, FDA, manufacturers, which I've called & read their literature) seminars (www.marytocco.com), and independent toxicoligist's reports, conference calls with experts, I did not have my children vax'd... all this before I ever found out of Dr. Moulden's findings.

I met a woman once who's nephew died from the Hep B vaccine.. you can read his story at www.iansvoice.com I know he's just ONE case, but he's one I couldn't live with if he were mine!

my opinion is different from the ones here, I would say NEVER vax a child, not a healthy one because it can compromise their immune system, and not a sick one, because they tolerate it less. The evidence I've seen is overwhelming... even if you don't know your child has been vaccine injured, they still could be, silently in their brain.

I still believe that every parent should be informed & should do their research, otherwise they'll never stand up under the dr's/CDC's pressure if they don't have the facts.

my .02

[ChristianMomOf2]

www.novaccine.com

I forgot to menion this one... if you go to this site, you can look at the ingredients in the vaccines, you can see the link that shows the acutal manufacturer's insert to verify... then you can also see what the ingredients are, and are known to do.

eg. aluminum
FDA says toxic in the human body in amounts of 20mcg
in hep B there are 250mcg per shot
it's known to cause alzthimers

(as a side note, it was also intended for drug users and prostitutes, I think even if you belived in this shot, your child shouldn't need it til high school or later... and the tieters wear off by then making them suseptable even by the manufacturers standards.


ask me more if you want more links & research to go through

[carriebft]

Just wanted to throw out there that Hep B is not solely a disease of "drug abusers and prostitutes" and the vaccine wasn't billed as such either.

Hep B can also be spread through a family/close contacts outside of needles and sex.

[ChristianMomOf2]

your right, it does spread other than by needles and sex, but it's never had a huge outbreak other than in those 2 populations. They were in mind when creating the drug even though it wasn't "billed" as such. Why would they bill it that way? they'd lose millions of $$$$$


http://jpubhealth.oxfordjournals.org...tract/10/2/147

once such outbreak