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post #41 of 91
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Originally Posted by Spring Lily View Post
So you're only looking for answers of women who went into labor on their own?


I have to speak up here, because this statement/thread really seems to me like it's invalidating certain birthing situations. You're talking about 3 scenarios: induction, natural labor, or elective c-sections. You do realize that some c-sections are actually GOOD decisions and just as valid as allowing yourself to go into natural labor?

One of my babies had a complication and the c-section saved her life, but I do believe I would have gone full term otherwise, no signs of cervical change at 34wks. I've never heard that 35 weeks is the expected term for twins, I've always heard it's typically 38-39 weeks.
I agree, Spring Lily. I find the whole we made it to term so we're amazing, everybody else bugger off tone frustrating. Then again, I may just being sensitive. Others may not understand that they're being offensive when they haven't been in our shoes.
post #42 of 91
Amen Jill and Spring Lily.

Here's why I'm interested in and responded to this thread:

Like the OP'er, it seems to me that more twin mommas go a full 38 - 42 weeks than the medical community and mainstream acknowledge. I'm still a little raw over the treatment of pregnant twin moms by many OBs. In most cases, elective preterm birth is a bad move, although of course there are exceptions. One of the things I still work through in my mind is my belief that near-term twins are better off going into labor spontaneously. I totally disagree with Dr. Luke that twins are best born at 38 weeks. For some that's 3 or even 4 weeks earlier than they would have come naturally. But I'm not sure the research backs me up. It's something I try to keep an open mind about.

Now, the huge problem with me going into public and spouting off about how twins don't really come before term, which I have been guilty of doing, is that it isn't always true. We can't get away from the fact that some healthy, well nourished, naturally minded moms go into labor early. It's a mystery and is just the nature of pregnancies, especially multiple ones.

Yes, many twin moms did or could have gone to term. But not all of us, which is something we should remember with humility.

Protein and nutrition would help some mothers, like my aunt who was horrified that she gained 25 lbs, and then delivered 2 months early. But that's not the whole picture. Hopefully in my lifetime we'll know more.
post #43 of 91
What a great post, Gena!
post #44 of 91
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Originally Posted by Spring Lily View Post
So you're only looking for answers of women who went into labor on their own?


I have to speak up here, because this statement/thread really seems to me like it's invalidating certain birthing situations. You're talking about 3 scenarios: induction, natural labor, or elective c-sections. You do realize that some c-sections are actually GOOD decisions and just as valid as allowing yourself to go into natural labor?

One of my babies had a complication and the c-section saved her life, but I do believe I would have gone full term otherwise, no signs of cervical change at 34wks. I've never heard that 35 weeks is the expected term for twins, I've always heard it's typically 38-39 weeks.
I don't think it's intentionally invalidating anything. She's just looking to see how long twin pregnancies typically carry if you don't do anything to start labor on your own. That's all-- I'm pretty sure there's no harm intended.

I've had a preterm baby (not my twins). I've done the weeks and weeks in NICU thing. I've had a medically necessary cesarean (again, just not with my twins). And not once had I read anything in this thread that sounded smug about going to term. Just simple curiosity about how long twin pregnancies go when not induced. For some people, that's going to be term. For others, it's not. No judgment. No statements here made by anyone that suggests not going to term is anyone's fault (that I've noticed). Just discussing what our experiences are.

I can understand (as a former NICU mommy) how someone might be sensitive to this issue, but I hope we can go forward without assigning intent to others that may not even be there.
post #45 of 91
I think that it really is helpful for those of us who are currently pregnant with twins to see both sides of the spectrum here. It does give me comfort to see so many babies born at or near term. However, it also gives me comfort that sometimes, even with mamas do everything "right", that babies do just come early. That is comforting to for me to know that it won't be anything that I did "wrong". So thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences.
post #46 of 91
Interesting thread! Here is mine

WHERE DID YOU BIRTH: HOspital delivery room (Not OR)
HOW FAR ALONG WERE YOU: 37w 3d
WERE YOU INDUCED: no
ELECTIVE C-SECTION: no
REASON FOR INDUCTION/C-SECTION:
SIZE OF BABIES: A 6lb 11.5oz, B 6lb 15.5oz

TYPE OF TWINS: Fraternal

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR DECISIONS: Great! My birth was complicated b/c B was breech durring labor, and after A came out he turned transverse an stuck his arm out (yeah, graphic I know!). I ended up w/ a manual version and B came out head first, but still vaginal! I feel like my Dr did a lot to make sure I had my vaginal twin birth. Lots of providers wouldn't have even let me labor, so I am really happy with my experience. I will say that it was my most traumatic birth, though. I did not like twin childbirth, it was much harder, faster, and I felt like there was no real 'plan', we were all just waiting to see what would happen to twin B after twin A came out. There were so many scenarios that could have played out, depending on what B did (breech birth rear first, footling breech, emergency c-sec), but I am so happy with the outcome I did have, I feel it was the best that it could have been considering how B turned and stuck an arm out, KWIM?!
post #47 of 91
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Originally Posted by nummies View Post
I think that it really is helpful for those of us who are currently pregnant with twins to see both sides of the spectrum here. It does give me comfort to see so many babies born at or near term. However, it also gives me comfort that sometimes, even with mamas do everything "right", that babies do just come early. That is comforting to for me to know that it won't be anything that I did "wrong". So thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences.
: It's also nice to know that a lot of those that did go early ended up with healthy children in the long run. Not ideal, obviously, but nice to know that it can happen.
post #48 of 91
Since my "induction thread" is what precipitated this poll, I wanted to just say that I certainly don't think anyone who has posted has TRIED to be insensitive or to invalidate anyone's birthing choices or situation (at least I hope not!). And I would never suggest that I did anything more or less "right" than any other woman who has carried twins to any gestational age...pregnancy just is what it is.

I am more than grateful that my twins are still hanging on at 39 weeks 6 days, but I'm also more than a little bit irritated that I now have to be subjected to such immense pressure to induce from my OBs. In my experience, once I got past 38 or 39 weeks, it became very difficult to find information on which to base decisions about whether to induce or whether to wait it out. And as I now approach 40 weeks, it's becoming even more difficult to find others like me, so I am finding comfort in this thread knowing that I'm not as insane as most everyone I meet thinks I am.

I think that the OPs only intention was to try to sort out the "data" that the medical community uses to push induction/elective c-section between 37 and 39 weeks in the absence of any medical reason to do so. And in so doing, to debunk the myth that twins are ALWAYS born early and that there's something wrong if they aren't. This unfortunately does exclude those whose babies, bodies, etc had other plans than to carry to term, but it's not personal, it's just the nature of the question. It seems to me that with a multiple pregnancy the perceptions pretty much leave us damned if we do and damned if we don't. Just after we get past the "it's not safe to deliver" phase, we're subjected to the "it's not safe to NOT deliver" phase. It stinks either way you look at it because we should all be able to enjoy our multiple pregnancies for the miracle that they are, rather than constantly worrying about the potential problems that they pose.
post #49 of 91
WHERE DID YOU BIRTH: hospital
HOW FAR ALONG WERE YOU:39 weeks, 4 days
WERE YOU INDUCED: no
ELECTIVE C-SECTION: sort of.
REASON FOR INDUCTION/C-SECTION:Baby A breech, Baby B Vertex worsening pre-e
SIZE OF BABIES: A - 6lbs 7oz B - 6lbs 10oz
TYPE OF TWINS: Mono/Di Girls
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR DECISIONS: I feel like I was trapped by the system. I was put under EXTREME pressure to have a c-section by my perinatologist and the backup OBs to my midwife. Even some on the midwives were pushing for a c-section. I think that in the end the forced the decision because I was so stressed out that my BP shot up at 38-39 weeks. I think if I hadn't bee put under so much stress my bp would have stayed in a normal range and they would have gone longer. Under the circumstances I think that they did need to be born via c-section because I believe they became locked and couldn't get into a good position for birth. I went into early labor at 39 weeks with GOOD contractions every 2 min for 8 hours, but since the baby never moved down I never dilated past 2-3 cms according to my dp and closed back up once I was in the hospital. I'm ok with what happened and I think that one way or another I was going to need a c-section with them.
post #50 of 91
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Originally Posted by nummies View Post
I think that it really is helpful for those of us who are currently pregnant with twins to see both sides of the spectrum here. It does give me comfort to see so many babies born at or near term. However, it also gives me comfort that sometimes, even with mamas do everything "right", that babies do just come early. That is comforting to for me to know that it won't be anything that I did "wrong". So thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences.
yes, it is good to read the variety of experiences from like minded mothers.

it would be the same with b'feeding too if we had this discussion. for some of us it worked out, for some of us it didn't. i don't think there would be one mama who didn't intend to b'feed or go to full term, but we have an array of realities called life that teach us all what we need at the time.....and sometimes a long time afterwards.

ps: i would have felt very smug, in the nicest of ways, if i'd had a homebirth God willing, next time
post #51 of 91
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Originally Posted by shukr View Post
yes, it is good to read the variety of experiences from like minded mothers.

it would be the same with b'feeding too if we had this discussion. for some of us it worked out, for some of us it didn't. i don't think there would be one mama who didn't intend to b'feed or go to full term, but we have an array of realities called life that teach us all what we need at the time.....and sometimes a long time afterwards.

ps: i would have felt very smug, in the nicest of ways, if i'd had a homebirth God willing, next time
post #52 of 91
I think what the OP is getting at is the situation when a twin mama hits a certain point in pregnancy & faces induction/elective C-section instead of waiting things out. I've never heard anyone suggest 35 weeks is term with twins, though. I think when I hit 36 weeks my care providers would not try to stop labor, but they were firmly unwilling to schedule a C-section even a day before 38 weeks. I never faced pressure to get my babies out sooner than they came. Maybe people get more worked up with twins, but it seems like singleton mamas face this if they go someone's idea of post-dates, too.

I can't imagine anyone thinks 32-weekers come because of medical (mis)management.

There was a study that came out some time in the last year & was published in a widely read mainstream medical journal, like JAMA our New England Journal of Medicine, about repeat elective C-sections. They were very strict in their inclusion criteria about only including mamas who could have VBAC-ed,but chose not to for whatever reason. There was evidence of increased risk to babies, even born at 39 weeks. Of course they were only looking at singleton moms, but it seems very clear that absent a compelling reasons to get a baby out sooner, babies know when to come.
post #53 of 91
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Originally Posted by f&p'smama View Post
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I can't imagine anyone thinks 32-weekers come because of medical (mis)management.
Well, I would think that, too, but this quote makes me wonder.

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There seems to be this association with being pregnant with twins and only carrying to 35 weeks scenario. So basically, as a mom of twins, are you more likely to have pre-term labor and birth just because you have more than one baby...or in reality, is it that care providers are causing a rise in pre-term labor and birth by overly medically managing women carrying twins.
I don't know if it's just a lack of clarity in the writing or what. But it does sound like the OP is suggesting that preterm labor and birth in multiples may be caused by medical mismanagement and that if we were all just left alone, we'd go full term.
post #54 of 91
OGirlieMama - I hear you. Yes, what medical management is there that would CAUSE a mom to not go full term? None.

Again as I've said before, we can do everything right and they come full term. We can do everything wrong and they come full term. We can do everything right and they come early. You do the best you can and hope for the best.
post #55 of 91
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Originally Posted by OGirlieMama View Post
Well, I would think that, too, but this quote makes me wonder.



I don't know if it's just a lack of clarity in the writing or what. But it does sound like the OP is suggesting that preterm labor and birth in multiples may be caused by medical mismanagement and that if we were all just left alone, we'd go full term.
The second quote is what I was reacting to as well. I can see all points today. For many, preterm birth isn't on the radar; for those of us who have experienced it, it's right there in the forefront of our minds. I like what Shukr said, if it was about breastfeeding we would be having the same arguments. That really put it into perspective for me.
post #56 of 91
WHERE DID YOU BIRTH: hospital

HOW FAR ALONG WERE YOU: 39w2d

WERE YOU INDUCED: no

ELECTIVE C-SECTION: no

REASON FOR INDUCTION/C-SECTION: I had an unplanned section due to maternal and fetal distress. My blood pressure suddenly skyrocketed, I had a high fever and my distress was causing the babies to exhibit signs of distress. After about 3 weeks of pro-dromal labor, 12 hours of mild labor and several hours of labor so hard the experienced doula thought I was in transition I was dilated all of 1cm (this is a common side effect of infection). Neither tylenol nor IV administered antibiotics were able to get my raging infection under control so we moved to the c-section. It turned out that my GBS had colonized both placentas.

SIZE OF BABIES: 6lb 8 oz, 6lb 13oz

TYPE OF TWINS: fraternal

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR DECISIONS: Good. I feel like I was able to put my wishes aside for their best interests which in our case was the section. It sucked to heal and I don't recommend them unless medically necessary. It was much easier to go down the section road since my doctor/midwives had been so supportive of my natural birth plans and since the practice had a good history of non-interventions in twin births.
post #57 of 91
WHERE DID YOU BIRTH: Home
HOW FAR ALONG WERE YOU: 40w 3d
WERE YOU INDUCED: castor oil
ELECTIVE C-SECTION: no
REASON FOR INDUCTION/C-SECTION: I felt like I was not doing well. I started throwing up again and just really felt like they were better off out than in. It was not about me being uncomfortable or anything, I really felt like I was not giving them what they needed and I was not getting what I needed. Looking back I think I was pretty anemic and if I had dealt with that (which I was aware I needed to deal with but didn't) I would not have felt so bad.
SIZE OF BABIES: 7lb 15oz, 8lb 3oz
TYPE OF TWINS: MZ - di/di

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR DECISIONS: It was a great decision! Not an east one at all but it was the best thing to do for me. It was a great birth and so nice to be in my peacful, dark house. There is also no way I would have made it to the hospital in time!
post #58 of 91
WHERE DID YOU BIRTH: Hospital
HOW FAR ALONG WERE YOU: 33 weeks 2 days
WERE YOU INDUCED: No
ELECTIVE C-SECTION: No
REASON FOR INDUCTION/C-SECTION: Baby A born vaginally, Baby B was breech and born c-section
SIZE OF BABIES: 4# 2oz, 3# 11 oz
TYPE OF TWINS: Fraternal

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR DECISIONS: I don't necessarily feel that I made the decisions regarding my twins births, so much as they just happened. My water broke, Baby A was born while I was being checked in triage and I was rushed off for an emergency C-section because Baby B was breech and the hospital wouldn't allow him to be born vaginally. My OB told me later with much regret that she could have easily just reached in and pulled him out. There was another doctor there, though, and I think she was concerned about liability. All that said, though, I feel some sadness about how it all went down (mainly that DH missed both births) but not so much regret. They will be 17 months tomorrow and are the most beautiful, healthy babies you've ever seen. They have no developmental delays and I count my blessings for that everyday. So for me, the bummer of having a c-section is totally outweighed by the joy of having these two wonderful people in my life.
post #59 of 91
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Originally Posted by OGirlieMama View Post
I don't know if it's just a lack of clarity in the writing or what. But it does sound like the OP is suggesting that preterm labor and birth in multiples may be caused by medical mismanagement and that if we were all just left alone, we'd go full term.
Maybe it is lack of clarity, but what I got from it was not that we'd all go term if left alone, but that the averages for how long twin pregnancies typically carry would probably be a hell of a lot higher if you didn't include routine inductions or cesareans at 38, 37, or even (sheesh!) 36 weeks. Those of you who have been on this forum long enough know that there are plenty of moms whose doctors have recommended a "twins are term at 36 weeks, due at 38 weeks, and post-dates at 40 weeks" intervention. Yes, I do consider that medical mismanagement (in the absence of some other compelling reason, TTTS, IUGR, or mono-mono twins, or something like that). And yes, it does skew the numbers and make the averages look like twins are always early. And no, I don't think that's a helpful message to send to moms expecting twins.
post #60 of 91
WHERE DID YOU BIRTH: Hospital
HOW FAR ALONG WERE YOU: 37 1/2 weeks
WERE YOU INDUCED: yes
ELECTIVE C-SECTION: sort of
REASON FOR INDUCTION/C-SECTION: Pre-E
SIZE OF BABIES: 5 lbs and 5 lbs 13oz
TYPE OF TWINS: MZ - shared placenta

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR DECISIONS: I feel good about all the decisions. I began to develop severe pre-e and was induced and feel okay about that decision because after the girls were born I was back in the hospital for 4 days due to severe post-delivery eclampsia, so clearly the induction was needed for my health, unfortunately, I am always one of those odd cases and delivery did not fix the pre-e. The girls' heads got lodged together (both wanted to come out first) and so a c-section was needed once baby A started having serious heart decels. The section sucked and the post-delivery pre-E was worse, but after having a late-pregnancy loss, all that really matters in the end is that I have two healthy babies!!

That being said, if I wasn't induced at 37 weeks I would have probably carried these babies forever as I was not dilated at all and still had a closed long (5 cm) cervix! and this was after 9 weeks of bedrest due to severe contractions! My body is crazy!
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