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post #161 of 175
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Originally Posted by imagine21 View Post
UH, no...there's a big difference between smack, crack and smokin a flower. There are many gray areas in the law.
so many grey areas!

my dad the police officer would agree with that. grey areas until they need to be black and white to convict "undesirables".

a friend of mine (white male) has been caught and tried for having pot twice. both times the charge was ammended down and he has NO DRUG charges on his record.

another friend of mine (black guy..these guys are the same age) has gotten caught with pot once. was convicted. fined heavily in place of prison time and still has it on his record.

tough break, huh?
doesn't seem very black and white to me. unless of course, you're taking into account skin color. then it seems very black and white, doesn't it?
post #162 of 175
Thread Starter 
Holy intense discussion!!

So, today has been better- post landlord contact. Apparently she carries more weight than I do!

Last night that old familiar odor outside, closed the window-problem solved. Hope it continues.

Now to call for the energy audit....
post #163 of 175
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Originally Posted by imagine21 View Post
This has fascinated me since I read about it years ago. And I think it's relevant to this whole conversation b/c it seems that people who are quick to call the cops, are the same people who truly do think a neighbor smoking pot is going to be detrimental to their family's health, or that it would impact a drug test. Funny thing is that these tend to be the same people (at least those I know IRL) who have toxic stuff like Febreeze or Lysol in their homes, and don't seem to be concerned about the resulting fumes in their air. Maybe b/c it's legal, I dunno. I'm not saying smoke, in general, is completely harmless - but that in the OP's case, it's more of an annoyance, and not so much a health issue.


beesknees - I'm glad the problem seems to be resolved. Hopefully, your neighbor continues to keep his smoking outside.
post #164 of 175
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Originally Posted by beesknees View Post
Holy intense discussion!!

So, today has been better- post landlord contact. Apparently she carries more weight than I do!

Last night that old familiar odor outside, closed the window-problem solved. Hope it continues.

Now to call for the energy audit....
Awesome, beesknees. I'm glad to hear it.

For the record, I absolutely think you should call the cops if you find out your neighbor is stealing electricity from you. That is a malum prohibitum crime, and is immoral.
post #165 of 175
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Originally Posted by laurelg View Post
Awesome, beesknees. I'm glad to hear it.

For the record, I absolutely think you should call the cops if you find out your neighbor is stealing electricity from you. That is a malum prohibitum crime, and is immoral.
Everything she said.
post #166 of 175
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Thanks for the support everyone!
post #167 of 175
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Originally Posted by KweenKrunch View Post
I have no idea of he's a good or bad person and never purported to know that. He's breaking the law, though. And since we elect the people that make our laws, we have to live with the laws that are on the books or work within the legal system to change them. I mean, if I am on the freeway in the middle of the night and there's no traffic around and I choose to drive 68 MPH, even though I *know* the speed limit is 65, I have to fully accept that I am deciding to do something illegal and could be caught and punished for it.

What does slavery and child abuse being legal at one point in time have to do with a guy habitually using illegal drugs now? Are you saying you wish to return to a time when there were fewer laws and people were more free to "decide" how they wanted to conduct themselves, regardless of now negative an impact it made?
How do you know this guy isn't actively lobbying his legislators for change? Maybe he's a board member for NORML and rallies regularly for marijuana legalization.

But, honestly? He probably doesn't. And, even those of us who are politically active only have so much time in the day. So, some things we call about, some things we write letters about, some we protest, some we engage in openly, some we do within the comfort of our own homes.

My state, Idaho, recently licensed midwives. Midwives can no longer legally attend breech homebirths. There are no doctors in my town who will attend a vaginal breech hospital birth - they want automatic c-sections. Of course, I could refuse a c-section, but I'm not comfortable with the idea of a doctor unskilled in attending breech births being my primary birth assistant under duress. I'm also not comfortable with an unassisted breech birth.

I spoke with one of the local midwives and she said that, if it ever comes up, we'd figure something out. They'd attend off the record, or say the baby turned at the last minute. Bottom line? They'd be breaking the law, and if we were to publicize this fact, they could face punishment or lose their license.

So, with a time-sensitive situation like that - a woman pregnant with a breech baby does not have time to wait for the legislative gears to turn - what, exactly, do you propose? Be a "good citizen" and follow the law, earning a ticket to an unnecessary abdominal surgery? Um, no thanks.

This is just one example of a bad law. I ask you: Should blacks living under Jim Crow laws have just followed the rules like good citizens while waiting for their elected representatives to fix things? Oh, wait, they couldn't elect representatives because they weren't being allowed to vote...

You said you understand there are consequences for breaking the law. I never suggested otherwise. I just don't think we, as citizens, should actively invoke those consequences on one another if it isn't absolutely necessary. Just because a law is there doesn't make it good or proper. I don't think bad laws should just be ignored, because they will simmer under the surface for somebody to dig up when we least expect. I do think they should be repealed. In the meantime, though, I choose to live freely - and that means breaking many malum in se laws. Odds are, you are too, whether you mean to or not.

I had to buy a $43 permit the other day to build a chain link fence in my backyard. I asked the lady at the city why the permit exists - she said it was because people kept calling the city complaining about fences their neighbors erected, and it was requiring too many city resources to keep addressing the complaints, so they had to start charging for a permit. In my opinion, that is a big part of what is wrong with this country right now. People would rather call in the authorities than go next door and talk to their neighbor and work things out.

There are many ways to effect change. Lobbying legislators. Running for office. Public education. Letter-writing, phone banks. Protests. Boycotts. [Dissolving] the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them. Many of these things take time, though - months if not years - and it is unreasonable to expect people to live oppressed lives in the meantime.
post #168 of 175
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Originally Posted by laurelg View Post
Awesome, beesknees. I'm glad to hear it.

For the record, I absolutely think you should call the cops if you find out your neighbor is stealing electricity from you. That is a malum prohibitum crime, and is immoral.
yes indeed! he doesn't have to steal to grow. isn't he saving enough by just having his own garden? tsk tsk tsk
post #169 of 175
I am closing this thread, because it is off topic for the Parenting Forum and the OP does not have access to TAO.
post #170 of 175

i have a 6 year old son and live in a duplex and my neighbors  smoke pot  in there apartment and sometime i can smell pot coming in to my apartment  and i just worry about my son with that smell seeping in to my apartment  and how could i get them to  stop smoking pot?

post #171 of 175
In my opinion, do not call the cops. Suggesting that he use a fan or do something to aerate his apartment while he is smoking. It would be worse if it was tobacco smoke due to the carcinogens that are entering the air in your home. There is no need to go to extremes. I have NEVER once met an "angry" or "violent" stoner, unless they were also pill poppers or lacing their marijuana. Go with what feels right for you and your family, if your neighbor is not violent or lashing out towards you and your family, there is no good reason to get him into legal troubles. You may not know what he is going through or what have you. I personally know lots of people who use it for it's REAL medicinal properties, i.e. anti-depressant, to help with insomnia, PTSD, bi-polar, and to be able to eat, among lots of other medicinal properties of the plant.
post #172 of 175
Maybe buy him a Vape? The combustion creates an actual health issue. Is your duplex non-smoking? Do you have a landlord? If you are in a smoking apt, you may not have as much recourse.
post #173 of 175

Are there any air filters that can clean pot smoke from the air? If you can afford them, I'd get a few and keep them in the rooms you and your kids spend the most time. You can also look into clean air plant, but if you don't get a lot of sunlight I don't know how effective they'd be. I know this thread is really old, but for anyone who's facing the same problem. Since places are legalizing pot and medical marijuana, it's going to be more common for people to face the problem without anyone breaking the law.

 

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Originally Posted by RavenCeleste89 View Post

In my opinion, do not call the cops. Suggesting that he use a fan or do something to aerate his apartment while he is smoking. It would be worse if it was tobacco smoke due to the carcinogens that are entering the air in your home. There is no need to go to extremes. I have NEVER once met an "angry" or "violent" stoner, unless they were also pill poppers or lacing their marijuana. Go with what feels right for you and your family, if your neighbor is not violent or lashing out towards you and your family, there is no good reason to get him into legal troubles. You may not know what he is going through or what have you. I personally know lots of people who use it for it's REAL medicinal properties, i.e. anti-depressant, to help with insomnia, PTSD, bi-polar, and to be able to eat, among lots of other medicinal properties of the plant.

 

There's more problems than the person being violent. If the smell's getting into the apartment, then it's second hand smoke which can get into the kids' system. I agree tobacco would be worse- I'd be just as angry about tobacco smoke getting into our house as pot smoke.

post #174 of 175
In my area it is very rare for smoking to be allowed inside. It's an incredibly hard smell to get rid of so most leases forbid it. I'd call the landlord about it if your lease is the same. The pot may be legal but violating the terms of the lease is still frowned upon by landlords. . If not there may be a city ordinance or health code being violated so maybe check those.
post #175 of 175

short answer 

 

move.

 

i dont have any objections to pot by itself. but i have objections to any kind of smoke in my apt. we've faced this from a v. conscientous neighbor who smoked cigarettes outside. no matter how far he smoked, somehow the smoke would get in. 

 

i know that is not the best answer. but moving to a smoke free area would be better off for you. 

 

whether they smoke inside or outside, i've always been in poor to middle class apts, and the smoke has always gotten through. 

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