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post #641 of 713

This is such a powerful emotional thread. I have three boys and I was lucky enough to have a concerned friend talk to me about circumcision while I was pregnant with my first. It took months of brutal arguing with my husband but in the end he reluctantly agreed that it wasn't worth fighting anymore and agreed not to circumcise to make me happy. Reading these stories is hard for me. I am so grateful that someone cared enough to intervene for my boys and I. I feel for every single one of you and it really does give me a little more courage to spread the word and not worry so much about "getting in someones business" when I know someone who is pregnant and undecided.

post #642 of 713

If you have an otherwise awesome marriage.....standing your ground on protecting your son should not be a relationship wrecker.  Many men don't even understand why they feel the need to cut their son.  Societal conditioning can be powerful so that is why moms must be vigilant in thei stand to keep their baby whole.  Keep working on him and educating him, but at the end of the day only you can protect your baby.  There are rarely ever medical indications to cut a baby and no medical organization in the world recommends routine infant circumcision.  Good luck.

post #643 of 713

Wanted to put out there that if there are any parents out there looking for a place to share more,we have a Facebook group for parents regretting circumcision.  http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/groups/175347165878088/

post #644 of 713

kalohabreeze - PLEASE just say NO and do not sign the consent form.  tell your partner you will NOT allow cosmetic surgery on your son's genitals.  tell your care provider that you do not want this done.  your partner will get over it. 

 

you do not want to feel the regret that i and so many other mothers feel for allowing this to happen to our sons.  just say NO.

post #645 of 713

Realizing this post was started 8 years ago and continues to go strong, I think this is a very important issue. I am due in June and recently brought the question up to my husband. I really didn't care either way, not having done any research, but I felt it should be his decision because it's a boy. He is, but he said he didn't think he wanted to circ our son, and I told him whichever way, it would be his decision. A few days later, he emailed me a few links, one being this thread, and few articles. His message was "I don't want to do it even more now, what do you think?" So I took some time and read through the articles, and about 10 pages of this post before deciding/agreeing that we will not circ our son. If he wants it done as an adult, it will be his choice.

I just wanted to thank everyone here for having the courage to speak on the subject and share their experiences so that others can make educated decisions. I also wanted to thank you all for the extra reading material posted, as I always like unbiased opinions before making any decision.

post #646 of 713

I have never regretted anything more in my life!....I told my husband that since he was a guy and knew better (head shake) that if we had a son it would be up to him. Our first born is a son, a beautiful, perfect son, who was circumcised and lost a part of his body for the sake of vanity and personal preference of a father....it was horrible, he bled  a lot because he was 2 months old (our doc said we should wait until then for some reason and we didn't question it :( ) so he bled a lot and was in a lot of pain :(.....everytime I look at him while changing I think "if God makes everything perfect, why did we feel the need to change you"....again THERE IS NOTHING I REGRET MORE IN MY LIFE THAN CHANGING MY PERFECT SON AND CAUSING HIM UNNECESSARY PAIN FOR MY HUSBANDS PREFERENCE WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY SON AND HIS BODY PARTS

 

HIS BODY, HIS CHOICE

post #647 of 713

 

Our circumcision story

 

 

I don't know how to start this. My heart hurts every day for the mistake I made & can never take back. I cry every day & hope that my son can forgive me for the uneducated decision that I had no right to make on his behalf.

 

January 2011, my son was born perfect. My labor was unmedicated & fairly quick. I was proud of myself & my lil babe for doing so well. He was 8lb 3 oz of gorgeous chubby baby! He nursed right away & was very happy. My jewish husband always assumed that our son would be circumcised. I never questioned it. I didn't know I should. I didn’t think there were risks. I was so ignorant. I hardly even thought about the procedure until that day. 

 

I have 4 younger brothers. 2 are circumcised & 2 are not. My mother never really explained too much about it, she just said that my grandfather wanted his grandsons circumcised & when she had the younger 2 boys she didn't want it done. The only experience I'd ever heard about the care of any of my brothers penis', was my youngest. I can remember at least 5 times in his childhood when he'd had an infection. He would cry & say his penis hurt. It was red & inflamed. And my mother told me it was because the opening of his foreskin wasn't big enough when it was separating from the glands? I never thought too much about it at the time, but 8 years later, when I found out I was having a son, I remembered my brother's hard times & I sure didn't want that for my son. 

 

So when the doctor came in to talk to us about our sons circumcision, all I could think about was how this was the safest best option for him in the long run. I asked the doctor how many he had performed before & begged him to be careful because my baby only gets one penis & there was no going back. He joked that this was his first & then reassured me that he had performed hundreds before & he would do just fine. He even almost tried to tell me it was an unnecessary procedure, but he sure didn’t warn us of any risks or any dangers. We had asked permission for my husband to be present to say the Jewish prayer while they performed the circumcision. There was no way I could've been in that room, I said. Now I wish I was, because I'm sure I would've stopped it! I can not imagine seeing my perfect baby strapped to a table... My husband was in the room (while they physically & permanently mutilated our son). When my son came back to the room, he wouldn't nurse. I asked if this was normal & they assured me it was. They assured me he didn't cry & everything went perfect. They used something called a plastibell & told me it was safer. A plastibell circumcision leaves part of the plastic ring on the head of the penis for healing. It falls off on it's own around the same time as the umbilical cord. I asked about how to care for it & they told me not to put anything on it! I was surprised because I did remember a friend having a son not that long before & she said something about lots of vaseline. But I asked again & they said the plastibell required no extra care & not to put anything on it, it would heal on its own. Not to wipe it with a wipe, but drip a little warm water on it from squeezing a wet paper towel. That's it. No further instructions, no warnings, nothing to look out for, not how to care for it after the plastibell fell off. Sent us home... 

 

So the first week was "fine". But when the plastibell ring started to fall off unevenly I got nervous. I called everyone I knew that had a son & asked if they were circumcised with a plastibell & if this was normal. A friend of mine stopped by who had 2 sons who had this type of circumcision & said it looked "normal". At our 2 week check up the Dr said it was ok & not to worry. Still said we shouldn't be putting anything on it. So when the ring came all the way off I was relieved. Everything seemed to be alright? But I've never taken care of a circumcised penis before! I noticed there was still enough foreskin to cover the head of his penis. Once a day I would pull it back just a little to wipe it clean. I never pulled it back too much because I didn’t want to hurt him. Everything seemed fine.

 

At about 3 1/2 months I noticed a small part of the remaining foreskin was reattaching to the head of my sons penis. When I asked the Dr about it at his 4 month visit, she said not to pull it apart because it would cause scarring & cause him pain in the future. So I was sure not to pull it apart! Well then I started to notice it attaching more. Every time I talked to my mother about my concerns, she would tell me I was “obsessed with his penis” And she was sure it was fine. This of course made me feel worse. Was I “obsessed”? I don’t know. How could I not notice it? I changed him 10 times a day! 

 

We saw a different Dr at our next visit & he told us to separate it, but I was concerned about scarring like the other Dr had warned us about. So I did not. I started to do some research online. From what I’ve read, it seems like he has penile adhesions. Some sources say to separate it at home & some say he’ll need surgery. 

 

At about 8 months I took him to a ND because I wanted to try out a more natural health care provider. Even though it was going to cost me $200 out of pocket for our 1st visit, I was excited to talk to someone more on my page. When I called to make the appt & spoke to the ND on the phone, she assured me that she could address every question I had, including his circumcision. Well I was extremely disappointed with our visit. Not only were we rushed & hardly had enough time to remember all my questions, but when she looked at his circumcision, she said “I think it looks ok, but I’m not a penis expert” Really? Ugh, we never went back.

 

A few months later I made an appt with our Dr for a referral to a urologist. I wanted to talk to someone who looked at penises all day. I needed an answer! Our Dr wouldn’t give us a referral. She said if he wasn’t in pain, not to worry about it. She said to give him a warm bath & then gently separate it & then apply vaseline. At this time he was 10 months old. He would not sit any kind of still for me to try to separate it. I still try on a daily basis. It is only an uncomfortable situation. I am terrified of making it worse, but don’t trust the Dr’s to help us. I am terrified that he will need another surgery to correct this! 

 

He is now 1. I am going to make another appt with our Dr to try to get a referral to an urologist again. I don’t know if I will trust what they say if we do get the chance to go.

 

He is my perfect angel & I am so mad at myself for putting him through this. I feel like a failure of a mother! How could I not protect him. How could I just let them do a surgery on my one day old PERFECT baby without doing any research???? I am so angry at myself, I can’t stand it. I make myself sick to my stomach wishing I could go back to that day & change things.

 

Has anyone had their son go through this? What was the outcome? I feel so lost & don’t know who to trust.

 

I have permanently mutilated my perfect baby boy. I regret it with my whole heart & soul.

post #648 of 713

This thread has been given to many parents who find themselves expecting a baby boy.  If parents read these personal regrets and explore the links of information and facts, they couldn't help but make the right decision for their little boy.

post #649 of 713

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Edited by voicelessone - 2/8/12 at 7:21pm
post #650 of 713

I am so sorry.  I feel your pain.  I am in the same boat.  I did the same thing to my son.  I wasn't planning to but at the last minute did.  The hospital birth threw me all off.  I can't find a way to forgive myself.  I remember looking at his penis before it was done and thinking how perfect it was now I look at it and feel it is scarred.  I wish I planned ahead and really knew more about circumcision.  It is the greatest regret of my life.

post #651 of 713

While I was pregnant, I received lots of information from my midwife regarding the case against circumcision. I read through it all and was on the fence with things because I had grown up with the thought that it was the right thing to do. In the weeks leading up to the birth, I spoke with my mother about the issue and she encouraged me to circumcise. She seemed very confident about her opinion in believing it was the best thing to do for my son, for "health and cleanliness". I had so much going on in my life at that time... the relationship between my son's father and myself was not healthy, I was living 3000 miles away from my family - I was not able to give the issue my full thought, and as another poster said, they want you to decide NOW. Immediately. I remember thinking about it, looking around the room at everyone - my midwife, the nurse, my son's father... I remembered my mom's opinion. I was so overwhelmed, so I just went with what I had always been taught. When they brought him in to me after the procedure, the nurse removed the bandage to check the circumcision and show me, and when I saw what had been done to my precious baby, I cried. No one knew why I was crying and I couldn't say it. I couldn't say I had made a horrible choice, because what good would it do? Once it's done, it cannot be undone. I regretted circumcising my son from the moment it was done, and to this day, 2.5 years later, I am still heart broken over the issue. If I think about it too much, I will cry. 2.5 years later. It's something I will have to work through within myself - the guilt - but I don't know if I can ever forgive myself. My son is not all here with me. Part of my beautiful child who came into this world perfect the way God created him, is gone forever. He is not whole, because of what Man has told us is better. If I have another son, I will not circumcise him, but my heart will still always be broken knowing my first son has been robbed - that his brother is whole and he is not.


Edited by BloomingAnemone - 2/17/12 at 11:53pm
post #652 of 713

Hugs to you.  You were a victim of false information from your Mom and others.  The medical community is hugely complicit in this whole sordid and barbaric custom.  They have been propogating false information for well over a century in this regard, and it is really only in the last decade or so, since the advent of the internet, that people have had the ability to actualy research for themselves and question what the doctors have been telling them.  Your Mom's generation never questioned a doctor because they had no information to counter with.  It was a trust that the medical community sometimes violated for their own benefit. Like they say - follow the money!

 

You may find it therapeutic to hang out on boards such as this, and participate where you can in bringing this awful practice to a belated end.

post #653 of 713

This is a graphic video showing the procedure in a doctor's office. I was convinced before that any son of mine would be intact, and am even more convinced now. It was heartbreaking to watch and hear the little boy scream in agony. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXVFFI76ff0

post #654 of 713

So I've avoided this thread like the plague. But since I've layed awake thinking about this almost every night of my baby's twelve month life, I'm coming by here to post, despite being very scared, very ashamed, and still trying pretty darn hard to stay in denial. The irony is that while I was pregnant I was pretty outspoken about how IT was not medically necessary. I think I even managed to convince a few couples. But we're Jewish so we have to have a bris. The day of my dad who is a longtime intactivist tried some last minute convincing. But all the out of town guests were already here. Sorry sweet baby for not protecting you, the bagels were already bought and we couldn't let all that food go to waste. gloomy.gif I leaned over you while ironically trying to soothe you, almost leaning so close the rabbi couldn't get to you. Maybe my mothering instincts belatedly kicking in. But in a matter of seconds it was done. I was in shock.

 

Part of me wishes I'd have done like most Jewish mamas and go wait in another room. Because the details replay in my head just about every night. Well, this is the first time I've ever been able to actually shed tears. I usually have long conversations with myself alternately blaming others (why did my dad wait until right before- he had 9 months! He probably didnt think i would even do it. I know he'll always think less of me know. )  Or trying to comfort myself by trying to convince myself that there wont be lasting trauma, that maybe the guilt has made me a more responsive attached mama. 

 

Alright, I have to stop thinking about this now. It's 2 am and I'm going to snuggle with my precious boy laying beside me. 

 

 

 

post #655 of 713

I know it's a bit after the fact, and you probably already know this being jewish......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_shalom_(naming_ceremony)

 

 

post #656 of 713

Peace, Momma, peace.

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Originally Posted by illiterati View Post

So I've avoided this thread like the plague. But since I've layed awake thinking about this almost every night of my baby's twelve month life, I'm coming by here to post, despite being very scared, very ashamed, and still trying pretty darn hard to stay in denial. The irony is that while I was pregnant I was pretty outspoken about how IT was not medically necessary. I think I even managed to convince a few couples. But we're Jewish so we have to have a bris. The day of my dad who is a longtime intactivist tried some last minute convincing. But all the out of town guests were already here. Sorry sweet baby for not protecting you, the bagels were already bought and we couldn't let all that food go to waste. gloomy.gif I leaned over you while ironically trying to soothe you, almost leaning so close the rabbi couldn't get to you. Maybe my mothering instincts belatedly kicking in. But in a matter of seconds it was done. I was in shock.

 

Part of me wishes I'd have done like most Jewish mamas and go wait in another room. Because the details replay in my head just about every night. Well, this is the first time I've ever been able to actually shed tears. I usually have long conversations with myself alternately blaming others (why did my dad wait until right before- he had 9 months! He probably didnt think i would even do it. I know he'll always think less of me know. )  Or trying to comfort myself by trying to convince myself that there wont be lasting trauma, that maybe the guilt has made me a more responsive attached mama. 

 

Alright, I have to stop thinking about this now. It's 2 am and I'm going to snuggle with my precious boy laying beside me. 

 

 

 



 

post #657 of 713

 
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Originally Posted by Babyluv143 View Post

 

At about 3 1/2 months I noticed a small part of the remaining foreskin was reattaching to the head of my sons penis. When I asked the Dr about it at his 4 month visit, she said not to pull it apart because it would cause scarring & cause him pain in the future. So I was sure not to pull it apart! Well then I started to notice it attaching more. Every time I talked to my mother about my concerns, she would tell me I was “obsessed with his penis” And she was sure it was fine. This of course made me feel worse. Was I “obsessed”? I don’t know. How could I not notice it? I changed him 10 times a day! 

 

We saw a different Dr at our next visit & he told us to separate it, but I was concerned about scarring like the other Dr had warned us about. So I did not. I started to do some research online. From what I’ve read, it seems like he has penile adhesions. Some sources say to separate it at home & some say he’ll need surgery. 

 

At about 8 months I took him to a ND because I wanted to try out a more natural health care provider. Even though it was going to cost me $200 out of pocket for our 1st visit, I was excited to talk to someone more on my page. When I called to make the appt & spoke to the ND on the phone, she assured me that she could address every question I had, including his circumcision. Well I was extremely disappointed with our visit. Not only were we rushed & hardly had enough time to remember all my questions, but when she looked at his circumcision, she said “I think it looks ok, but I’m not a penis expert” Really? Ugh, we never went back.

 

A few months later I made an appt with our Dr for a referral to a urologist. I wanted to talk to someone who looked at penises all day. I needed an answer! Our Dr wouldn’t give us a referral. She said if he wasn’t in pain, not to worry about it. She said to give him a warm bath & then gently separate it & then apply vaseline. At this time he was 10 months old. He would not sit any kind of still for me to try to separate it. I still try on a daily basis. It is only an uncomfortable situation. I am terrified of making it worse, but don’t trust the Dr’s to help us. I am terrified that he will need another surgery to correct this! 

 

He is now 1. I am going to make another appt with our Dr to try to get a referral to an urologist again. I don’t know if I will trust what they say if we do get the chance to go.

 

He is my perfect angel & I am so mad at myself for putting him through this. I feel like a failure of a mother! How could I not protect him. How could I just let them do a surgery on my one day old PERFECT baby without doing any research???? I am so angry at myself, I can’t stand it. I make myself sick to my stomach wishing I could go back to that day & change things.

 

Has anyone had their son go through this? What was the outcome? I feel so lost & don’t know who to trust.

 

I have permanently mutilated my perfect baby boy. I regret it with my whole heart & soul.



I can't in good conscience not say anything about this.

 

I think it is just natural adhesions.  When a baby boy is born, his foreskin is attached to the head of his penis.  Needless to say, a circumcision breaks that.  I think the adhesions you are talking about is your son's leftover foreskin trying to reattach to his glans.  There seem to be different opinions on what to do about this but based on what I have read, the reason you would worry about the adhesions is because the ends of the leftover foreskin attaching to the glans instead of itself.  I do not think this is the case though, since really that would have to happen days after the circumcision.  These adhesions should disappear on their own when he gets older

 

What worries me is that if you keep going on your journey, eventually some idiot is going to tell you that you will have to circumcise him again, and I would hate to hear that this happened.  Your son is so lucky.  Sure he was cut but he got to keep a good bit of his foreskin.  That means he will still have a lot more of nerve endings and function of in his leftover foreskin the a lot of circumcised men. 

 

You are lucky to have found the doctors you have to suggest that you leave it alone and not cut again. Most doctors I hear about would likely say he would have to be cut again.  Please don't put your son through more pain then he has already been through.  He has been through enough.

 

As for the rest of the thread, I cannot think of a better thing to show future parents that circumcision is wrong.  Personally, I am a man who was cut when I was an infant and I have spent my whole life being driven crazy by the fact that I was cut.  I have always known in my heart something evil was done to me and the more I tried to justify it to myself, the crazier I got.  Communities like this have really made me know the culture is wrong, not having foreskin.  It has finally put me in a place where I can just don't worry about all that I have lost all the time.  Keep telling your stories ladies, I know it is making a difference.  

post #658 of 713

It was the hardest decision Ive had to make on behalf of the baby. Actually I dont really regret having it done, but I thought some of the information here is a little bit bashing of doctors. Out of the 4 doctors I talked to about the issue, NONE of them including the dr who did it was the slightest bit "encouraging" me to have it done. They were at best neutral, and actually mostly completely honest about the procedure. Even the men I rely on for boy stuff info were supportive of not doing it. Like most of you, I did feel like the most horrible mother ever during the  procedure and sobbed. My baby didnt cry or even seem disturbed. Less than 50% of the babies in my town are circ'ed. I was terrified something would go wrong, and thankfully it did not. I definitely went against the grain, to have it done. And have to say, while I have a tinge of regret, Im OK, my son is OK,(well hes perfect!) and I never want him to feel diminished because of it. Just wanted to give some perspective. Im mostly fine with having done it, but it was hard to go through, regardless. Its a very emotional and difficult thing to have happen.  I hope that moms that deeply regret it learn to find some peace with it all... and hope you can avoid transmitting this grief/shock to your sons. Foreskin or no, I want my son to think his penis is a wonderful thing, and to use it responsibly! Not all doctors are foreskin hungry monsters . I made the choice, with some misgivings, and found that noone was trying to push me to do it. Be encouraged that there are lots of men and doctors that are FINE with not doing it out there... and forgive yourselves just a little. Everyday when I evaluate how Im doing as a parent, there are a thousand things I could have done better, maybe its the first but certainly not the last parenting fail I will make! Some of the lit seems frankly designed to make a mom feel like crap, and mostly we dont need help with that.

post #659 of 713

^ He was born perfect. I know this is a friendly community and you can attempt to justify, however the real facts are out there. Sadly, there is just as much horrible info out there on the subject as there is good, if not more so, making it easy for people to fling excuses for chopping up their kids.

 

 

inb4 this post is deleted.

post #660 of 713
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Originally Posted by griffyn View Post

It was the hardest decision Ive had to make on behalf of the baby. Actually I dont really regret having it done, but I thought some of the information here is a little bit bashing of doctors. Out of the 4 doctors I talked to about the issue, NONE of them including the dr who did it was the slightest bit "encouraging" me to have it done. They were at best neutral, and actually mostly completely honest about the procedure. Even the men I rely on for boy stuff info were supportive of not doing it. Like most of you, I did feel like the most horrible mother ever during the  procedure and sobbed. My baby didnt cry or even seem disturbed. Less than 50% of the babies in my town are circ'ed. I was terrified something would go wrong, and thankfully it did not. I definitely went against the grain, to have it done. And have to say, while I have a tinge of regret, Im OK, my son is OK,(well hes perfect!) and I never want him to feel diminished because of it. Just wanted to give some perspective. Im mostly fine with having done it, but it was hard to go through, regardless. Its a very emotional and difficult thing to have happen.  I hope that moms that deeply regret it learn to find some peace with it all... and hope you can avoid transmitting this grief/shock to your sons. Foreskin or no, I want my son to think his penis is a wonderful thing, and to use it responsibly! Not all doctors are foreskin hungry monsters . I made the choice, with some misgivings, and found that noone was trying to push me to do it. Be encouraged that there are lots of men and doctors that are FINE with not doing it out there... and forgive yourselves just a little. Everyday when I evaluate how Im doing as a parent, there are a thousand things I could have done better, maybe its the first but certainly not the last parenting fail I will make! Some of the lit seems frankly designed to make a mom feel like crap, and mostly we dont need help with that.

Welcome to MDC & TCAC.

 

I've read your post a number of times now, and I'm still not sure why you posted what you did.  This is the "regret," thread & the parts I've bolded in your post, you aren't "really," regretful.  So, I ask in all sincerity: why did you post?

 

And, at the risk of putting you on the defensive, I'm going to make a comment.  You say your son is, "OK."  That may be true for now, while he's little.  But one of the unfortunate things w/ prepuce amputation is that the person doing the amputation can not determine accurately how much skin to take w/o taking more than the eventual man will need to have a comfortable erection.  It's not possible to determine this in a still developing penis.  Did you know that the penis isn't fully developed when a boy is born?  Much like girls aren't fully developed when they're born.  He may appear "Ok," but he doesn't do much w/ his penis yet.  There's no way to know now what issues he may face down the road.  greensad.gif  Again, this is another problem w/ prepuce amputation: the person/s making the decision to have it done is not the one who has to live w/ the consequences of the decision. mecry.gif

 

Best wishes,

Sus
 

 

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