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Best State to Live Off Grid?

post #1 of 35
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I was wondering where would be the best place to live off the grid. I live in Alaska, and I read Mt.Mama and others talk well of it... I have looked around at land here.....but honestly, I think it would be a lot more fun to be able to pick fresh greens, fruit, and meat in winter rather than to spend the season chopping wood trying not to freeze to death and burning lamps for the 12 hours during the day when there is no sunlight.... (Gosh....that sounded like a rant!)

I am really going for self sufficiency. So where do you think the best places are?
post #2 of 35
I've been looking into Tenn and Maine. There is pretty cheap land in both places. I know there is a family on the net somewhere who did this in E Tenn. Maine is not as cold as it sounds. It's going to be in the 90's this week in Maine (coastal). It is cold in the winter too though, but not dark. Tenn has temperate climate, low cost of living. Subbing for more info..
post #3 of 35
I live in New Jersey

I live on 30 acres, but I am driveable to anywhere I need to be and only an hour and change outside of New York City. If I want culture I can snag it, but I can also have my chickens, nature, hiking etc.

If I were brave I'd do Vermont or Maine, but I'm not.
post #4 of 35
Okay, I'd say Oregon then.
post #5 of 35
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Originally Posted by mtn.mama View Post
Okay, I'd say Oregon then.
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There is a lot of affordable land in Oregon, and the western side of the mountains is lush.
post #6 of 35
Isn't it fantastic? If I weren't so in love with our homeland and lifestyle, I would strongly consider relocating down there to the land where growing food is easy and doable year round.
post #7 of 35
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Maine is not as cold as it sounds. It's going to be in the 90's this week in Maine (coastal). It is cold in the winter too though, but not dark.
I don't know about that!!! Maine is pretty dark and cold in the winter! Its pretty frigid in the single digits much of dec-mar and it while its not as dark as Alaska, it does get dark before 4pm most winter days!
Not that I am discouraging anyone from moving here. I LOVE it here! The spring/summer/fall make the winters bearable. I live on 2 acres in the middle of farm country and its just heavenly!
post #8 of 35
We like to browse and dream, and I think if I could pick the perfect place to homestead it would be Oregon or Washington. It is SO beautiful there, and everything is so lush. We love the rain so that would be wonderful for us. There are mountains, forrests, beaches not too far off... its an ideal location. The weather is temperate throughout the year (compared with other areas in the states), and great for growing year round. And did I mention its beautiful?
post #9 of 35
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We like to browse and dream, and I think if I could pick the perfect place to homestead it would be Oregon or Washington. It is SO beautiful there, and everything is so lush. We love the rain so that would be wonderful for us. There are mountains, forrests, beaches not too far off... its an ideal location. The weather is temperate throughout the year (compared with other areas in the states), and great for growing year round. And did I mention its beautiful?
We (mostly me, lol) dream of moving to Oregon. We have a beautiful piece of property here, but I am a western girl at heart and I am done with the snow!
post #10 of 35
We are currently looking at land in WA or OR. We have lived in both Seattle and Portland so we know both areas pretty well and miss the West Coast very much. We are in New England now and can't wait to get back to the PacNW. Too buggy, muggy, hot, cold, etc here for us

I'd say that the other side of the state (OR and WA)...well, the eastern side is very different from the western side. It snows and winters are very different (and summers) from the wetter side. It is gorgeous in most parts, though. Land is a lot more affordable on the "other" side and also a lot more seculded (as far as major cities being near, etc).
post #11 of 35
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Originally Posted by Lemon Juice View Post
We are currently looking at land in WA or OR. We have lived in both Seattle and Portland so we know both areas pretty well and miss the West Coast very much. We are in New England now and can't wait to get back to the PacNW. Too buggy, muggy, hot, cold, etc here for us

I'd say that the other side of the state (OR and WA)...well, the eastern side is very different from the western side. It snows and winters are very different (and summers) from the wetter side. It is gorgeous in most parts, though. Land is a lot more affordable on the "other" side and also a lot more seculded (as far as major cities being near, etc).
I agree with the bolded part....DH's family thinks I am wussy....but I think you have to grow up here to be able to deal with it succesfully

What is the other side like? We talk about having a small farm/vineyard out there someday..........It's good to have dreams, right? lol
post #12 of 35
Just got back from upstate New York with a zillion farms but the property taxes will kill you!!
post #13 of 35
I've lived in WA, OR, ID, TN and GA. I'd go with Oregon definitely. Love the climate (western side of the state, eastern side has it's charm but it's much rougher), love the people, etc.

My parents still live in WA and it's changing....fast! I used to long for WA, but to hear my parents talk now, most of what I really loved about it is changing.

Of course, I've been turned into a GA girl now. Can't give up the growing season down here now. LOL Off grid would be tough though...no AC!
post #14 of 35
Good to see Oregon & Washington on the list. I'm looking too. Recently, Montana came to my attention. Any ideas on Montana being good/bad?

Ami
post #15 of 35
I'm still looking too. We want to buy some land next spring/early summer and we can't decide on a state!!!! We've been waffling for far too long! We need to consider state tax laws especially taxes in retired military pay. DH is leaning away from Maine because of the big chunk of taxes they take out, plus the frigid winters. All that heating fuel must come from somewhere. Plus we'd be better off financially if we could stay somewhat near a major military installation so that we can use our retiree benefits.

Anyone have any good advive for a place near a military base that is somewhat rural and beautiful??? Tennessee is still an option for us. It's also close enough that we can visit and explore from our current home base.

Washington is a small possibility. My brother and his family live out there right now but they are Army and I'm sure will be moving sooner or later. I've been there before and it's beautiful.

Anyone have any ideas other than Oregon and Washington? Maybe on the Eastern half of the U.S??
post #16 of 35
New Hampshire is the best place to be!! We LOVE it here....we're closing in less than two weeks on our dream country home and can't wait to move in and get started...finally we've got what we have so patiently waited for....I highly recommend NH.

And yes.....it's cold here in winter and hot in the summer....but Fall is devine..and besides, the family huddled up under wool blankets together, stays together!! I don't know how any of you "temperate climate livers" do it...I don't know how I'd feel alive if it weren't for deep, cold winter.
post #17 of 35
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New Hampshire is the best place to be!! We LOVE it here....we're closing in less than two weeks on our dream country home and can't wait to move in and get started...finally we've got what we have so patiently waited for....I highly recommend NH.

And yes.....it's cold here in winter and hot in the summer....but Fall is devine..and besides, the family huddled up under wool blankets together, stays together!! I don't know how any of you "temperate climate livers" do it...I don't know how I'd feel alive if it weren't for deep, cold winter.
NH is actually on our list of maybes. DH's family is in CT so it would be closer to them. DH would have no problem with it, growing up in CT and all. I've done ONE new england winter and it was really cold. But I lived in DC for 7 years and it gets cold there too. Though about on average 5ish degrees warmer than New England.

I hear the taxes are great in NH. Lots of cheap land. Not THAT far from the ocean..hmmm..something to think about...

Averysmommy~any more information about NH, specifically taxes would be appreciated
post #18 of 35
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NH is actually on our list of maybes. DH's family is in CT so it would be closer to them. DH would have no problem with it, growing up in CT and all. I've done ONE new england winter and it was really cold. But I lived in DC for 7 years and it gets cold there too. Though about on average 5ish degrees warmer than New England.

I hear the taxes are great in NH. Lots of cheap land. Not THAT far from the ocean..hmmm..something to think about...

Averysmommy~any more information about NH, specifically taxes would be appreciated
REasons I love NH:

1. Live Free or Die:

As a Libertarian who loves unhindered, natural living...I have found that there are a lot of people "like us" around here...the true spirit (not the yuppies who have moved up from Mass) of the New Hampshire native is one I appreciate very much...even people who don't see eye to eye with us, recognize the wisdom in a "live and let live" attitude. I really, really like the people here...reserved and strange as they can be, I love the core values of the true NH spirit.

2. Yes, the taxes.

We have no sales or income tax here...so in some towns property taxes can be very steep, so watch out! We, however, have bought our home in a place with very reasonable taxes and one of the best school districts in the state, beautiful parks, low low crime (rural, only 4,00 people), etc...so you don't have to live somewhere "crummy" to get good taxes. I can't tell you how nice it is not to pay sales tax or any state income tax...I've lived here for 11 years now after living just about everywhere else in the country (moved a TON as a kid, mother decided to settle us here, where she was born and raised) and have grown up with this tax system and couldn't imagine being anywhere else.

The cost of living CAN be more expensive here....but we find that through our more natural lifestyle, that really doens't effect us much to be honest. We just don't consume so much energy, store food, etc...

3. Location...oh the location!

If you love the beautiful outdoors, fishing, hunting even...there isn't a better place for you. We are moving into the deep woods, next to a gorgeous lake...and we couldn't be happier...it's just SO the NH we love. We are 45 minutes from gorgeous rocky beaches (they are rocky, but still sandy...but that harder sand toward the surf, with pockets of sandy places to play too), where we love to fish in the surf for big ole stripped bass and play in the sandy coves and tidal pools. We are 35 minutes from the gorgeous lakes region...breathtaking. We've got mountains not far from us....and are 45 minutes from Boston...or a 4 hour ride to Montreal. The location is truly awesome. We prefer to be in the deep woods, holed up with just our pack...we tend to be quiet, shut in types.....but we do get out a couple of times a year to go to Boston to visit the cultural centers...see an awesome exhibit at the museum, catch a wonderful preformance of THe Nutcracker...or just to eat some awesome Indian food. It's nice to be holed up on our own....but less than an hours ride from a major metropolitan area like Boston (or Montreal, our favorite city on earth) for our rare trips into the excitment of city life. It is important to me that I have this capability, as I will need to take my children to see good theatre, eat great food and spend time viewing good art exhibits, etc.

4. You CAN grow food here....

We have a great garden right now at my MILs house...lots of tomatoes, great lettuce this year, cuce's, squash, peppers, teriffic herbs, etc....You CAN grow plenty of food here and can them for winter time use...or make sauce out of them, etc...there are any number of ways to eat off your garden year round. At the home we just bought, we have tons of blackberries, blueberries and raspberries. We may also have apples...but they are deeper in the woods, I would want them closer to the house. I look forward to freezing berries and apples and drying apples, etc to eat during the "off months"...you can grow lots of food here, the summers are hot and wet (though, a little too wet for tomatoes to be perfectly happy this year!) and the climate is alright even for fruit trees..I know tons of people with fruit trees who have to take extra special care of them due to the winter climate...but still, they get lots of great fruit from them! So...


Anyway...there are even more reasons than those listed...I just love the crap outta NH. I lived in the south, midwest, out west in Colorado (I DO miss those mountains!) and of all the places I've been, I can't imagine living anywhere else now that I have a family to raise. These woods here are magic, the ocean is so different here from the sandy hot oceans of the south....it's really, really gorgeous. There is a spirit here which captures me and makes me so happy to have this place in my blood. THere is no where else I'd raise my kids or make a home for us...just a phenominal place to be.
post #19 of 35
Thank you AverysMomma..DH will be happy to hear that. He has been eyeing NH, he would love to get back up North.

I will be doing some research now, thanks again!!!
post #20 of 35
I grew up in OR and the UP of MI, and now live in Bangor, ME. The winters in ME are much less snowy than where I used to live in MI (about 80" of snow from Dec to early/mid April vs 200" from late October to the beginning of May) but I would say is it about the same cold-wise. We are planning to move back to the UP because I miss daily snow in the winter.

But, I would say that if you wanted year-round harvest (with, say, cold frames) and a mild climate, the Willamette River Valley area in OR is the place to go. My dad currently lives in Lebanon, OR, and for sure it is a beautiful place. He was starting to get ripe tomatoes when we were just putting out our seedlings! There's a reason that the Oregon Trail existed, and it's because the Willamette Valley is so bountiful...
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