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post #1 of 10
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I'm wondering if there are any parents out there who started vaccinating their child and then stopped.

This is our situation: We started vax according to the schedule our ped recommended. I was unsure about vax, but admittedly I had only done little research on my own. Bottom line, I trusted our pediatrician who is a mother and had worked in third world countries and felt that vaccines were very important. My parents and DS other grandparents also strongly recommended vaccines. DS's father was for the vax. I didn't ask many questions because I didn't find out enough ahead of time. I dreaded each visit, but figured that no one enjoys taking their kids for shots. He always cried a ton after and often had a fever though nothing too extreme or requiring more than pain reliever and extra nursing/cuddling. Even so, it felt extreme at the time considering that vax day was the only time he ever seemed so miserable. I convinced myself (and my mother helped enforce) that it was still better than him getting a horrible disease and being hospitalized or worse.

My son seemed to get every cold and flu that went around which baffled me considering he stayed at home with me and was breastfed, and had no other siblings in school or daycare. Was this because his immune system was overwhelmed by so many vax or was it better to protect him because he surely would have contracted whooping cough or worse? I am a worrier so I worry equally about both He seemed to get sick so much more often than other babies I knew. He was 9 mo. old the last time he received any shots. He conveniently seemed to catch a cold or flu right before his scheduled well baby exam and I would ask them not to administer the vaccine since he was already under the weather. Our doctor had many patients who were not vaccinated and it was not a huge deal.

In the meantime I read more and felt very uneasy about the vaccines. There is risk no matter what but I felt somewhat secure after awhile that it was better to do no harm and not continue the shots (even though we were almost done). I began to feel confident that the diseases were very rare and I was confident in the health care he would receive if he did become ill.

He is almost 3 and I again feel very unsure of what to do. Then we moved to another state. The laws are different (medical or religious exemption only) and it is very tough from what I hear to find a ped who is okay with unvax/partially vax children. Also, we moved from a small mountain town to one of the largest cities in the country and besides the general increase in stress and anxiety from a faster paced lifestyle and the trauma from leaving a place we loved (phew!) I am concerned there is a greater risk of infection in such a busy and densely populated area.


Can anyone relate to this? I know it was not smart to vax without feeling very well informed, but what now? To finish or not to finish? I am so overwhelmed by this situation and the radically different views on wellness from the southwest to the midwest.
post #2 of 10
I'm surprised nobody has posted a response because I know for a fact that many many momama here have started vaccines and then stopped for a variety of reasons. Hopefully folks with that experience will come along. I wanted to respond even though we don't vax at all.

I can relate to the worrier part of you. I worry too, but I found after all my research that I worry MORe about reactions than I do about the small chance that DS could be harmed by a VPD. Most of them do not concern me, and the ones that do, I believe the risk from the vaccine to be greater than the risk of getting the disease.

I know many many fully vaxed children who are sick all the time. I know some very healthy unvaxed kids who never get sick. This is anecdotal and there have been past threads about this. My own son who is unvaxed is sick quite alot as I believe he has allergy issues which contribute to this. There are no cut and dry answers for you and there is a risk eith way. That is why you must to a risk/benefit analysis for your particular situation.

If you have felt confident in your choice to stop, and confident in your LO's immune system in the past, I wonder what has changed now that he is older?? I would also not let moving and state laws sway your choices. There are exemptions, and yes they may be tougher to get in some states, but you can still get them. You can claim a religious exemption as you said and it is based on persoanl beliefs, I don't know where you are, but most states do not require that you belong to a specific church (unconstitutional).
As for moving to an area that has a more mainstream view, don't worry. Find a holistic moms meeting or some other type of group in your area where you can feel others chare your views. These views may be more hidden from plain sight, but there are others out there you just have to look a little harder to find them. and remember just because you start a series does not mean you have to finish.
Whatever you decide know you are not alone! Good luck
post #3 of 10
I did not read all of what you posted and am just responding to the title.

Our first grandchild was vaccinated according to schedule up to 1 yr. Then my dd started to do research and decided NO MORE. We stopped cold turkey so to speak. No problem. That was 11 years ago. btw, that was also the last time he saw a doctor. He has a religious exemption for school now since they don't know that he was partially vaccinated.
post #4 of 10
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Originally Posted by flg mama View Post
.. but what now? To finish or not to finish? I am so overwhelmed by this situation and the radically different views on wellness from the southwest to the midwest.
OK. I read the rest.

To finish...what? It is all guess work anyway. Not even the smartest immunologist can tell you when your child is immune no matter what he blood titers show. They have no clue what the vaccine does long term in the body of anyone and since each person is an individual, they have not clue who would react negatively or who might tolerate the vaccines.

A very bright and honest doctor once told me: Immunologists know less about the immune system than astronomers know about the solar system. And they know virtually nothing about the solar system.
post #5 of 10
Yup, very common among those who question vaccines. DD was vaxed through 9 months and then we stopped. The only way that there is a drawback to stopping is if vaccines are safe and effective. Which, due to the capitalist and political nature of the issue, really only you can decide that for your child. If you believe they are not safe and/or effective, it makes no difference if you've vaccinated until a certain point; you may stop at any time. There's no issues like raising susceptibility because you only did 3 of the 4 shots in the series.

If you are in a state that does not permit philosophical exemptions, your only real choices are between the religious exemption, homeschooling, forging records or vaccinating. From what I understand, the medical exemption isn't really a consideration; it's not a global exemption (you have to cover each vaccine individually), few if any doctors will provide this for you, and if someone challenges it, they can overturn it very easily (just have to provide another doctor to say it's hogwash).

As for our family, we are doing the religious exemption though it's partly a lie (though also partly the truth). We do object to the use of fetal tissue in vaccines, and feel that's as much a religious as philosophical objection, but the courts do not see it that way. We don't religiously object to the practice of vaccination overall, but that's what we're claiming. I don't like to lie but I feel this is too serious of an issue, and that the pressure behind vaccinating is - at risk of sounding like a looney, but I'm serious - an evil force. That is, as I see it, the problem is that some people want to make ridiculous sums of money pushing en masse (and with fear tactics) a procedure that I believe they know damn well is not as safe or effective as they will have you believe. That, to me, is evil.

I think there's a good chance we'll end up homeschooling after DD experiences preschool this year, so then we can opt out of the whole mess.

Anyway, not to blather on, but hopefully those thoughts will help
post #6 of 10
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Originally Posted by laohaire View Post
... As for our family, we are doing the religious exemption though it's partly a lie (though also partly the truth). We do object to the use of fetal tissue in vaccines, and feel that's as much a religious as philosophical objection, but the courts do not see it that way. We don't religiously object to the practice of vaccination overall, but that's what we're claiming. I don't like to lie but I feel this is too serious of an issue, and that the pressure behind vaccinating is - at risk of sounding like a looney, but I'm serious - an evil force. That is, as I see it, the problem is that some people want to make ridiculous sums of money pushing en masse (and with fear tactics) a procedure that I believe they know damn well is not as safe or effective as they will have you believe. That, to me, is evil. ...


I agree with what laohaire said about the "evil force" of big companies/MDs reaping the benefits of media-induced panic and fear.

I'm also interested in responses to this op. We've JUST (like this week) started to have our eyes opened about the whole vax issue, and though ds has had all his vaxes so far (with no complications, thank God), we're considering refusing any more at his 4 yo visit. I want to know how likely it is that he has already achieved immunity at this point, since he's generally only 1 vax away from the "full schedule". Also, we're so late in the game with this, that what about his daycare? We have to update his records, and they already have his current vax record- it seems a little late to file an exemption.

I'd love to hear other mamma's experiences with this, and opinions about stopping vax so late in the game- should we just quit altogether, or maybe finish some of them... Resources (like medical journals) that have good, "unbiased" info would be really useful.
post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by flg mama View Post
Also, we moved from a small mountain town to one of the largest cities in the country and besides the general increase in stress and anxiety from a faster paced lifestyle and the trauma from leaving a place we loved (phew!) I am concerned there is a greater risk of infection in such a busy and densely populated area.
My city is:

Large
Military (so people come here having been overseas)
Full of Tourists
Close to the Mexican border

and...



...we don't vaccinate.
post #8 of 10
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Originally Posted by Yaliina View Post

I want to know how likely it is that he has already achieved immunity at this point, since he's generally only 1 vax away from the "full schedule".
The vaccine schedule is set up to catch the "leftovers." Something like 60% appear to be immune after 1 vax, another 20% after two, and another 10% after three (made up numbers btw).

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Also, we're so late in the game with this, that what about his daycare? We have to update his records, and they already have his current vax record- it seems a little late to file an exemption.
Nope, exempt away.


Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vax.

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:


Vaccines-The Risks, the Benefits, the Choices DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY
YOUTUBE: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40451107552&q=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87981735&hl=en
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf

Beyond Conformity Resources Page
Do you have a quick-fire summary?

Inside Vaccines
post #9 of 10
I did allow my son to get 9 vaccines (3 sets of 3) when he was a baby (we delayed a bit though) at 4, 6 and 8 months of age. I regret it deeply. We stopped after that because I started researching. My daughter is completely vax free. Never again for my family.
post #10 of 10
I vaccinated my oldest all the way thru...

Then when my next 3 were 6, 4, and 2, I started researching and stopped. My youngest 2 have never been vaxed and neither will this one... unless we go over seas and then I'll have to start the research all over again!
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