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Advice wanted: rent vs buy

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
So, here's the situation:

My partner and I know we are going to be in our current location for 18 months to 2 years more but almost certainly will need to move then. Neither of us can drive due to (different) medical conditions. My medical condition also means that I am a lot more physically vulnerable than other women. Partner works from home by phone and computer, and usually travels 1-3 weeks per month on business. I work very long, very strange hours that make using public transit for commuting impossible and will need to continue to do so. We currently live in an overpriced, fancy one bedroom apartment with a half wall separating main and bedroom, selected purely because it is walking distance from my work. We are expecting our first baby, and are clear that we need to move in order to give partner the ability to work if baby is crying, and to create more space in the house for the baby and helpers.

The options are:
2 bedroom apartment in same complex as current one. Pluses: 24 hour security on site, less hassle to move, they handle maintenance, someone in the office to pick up mail and packages, a safer walk, shiny & pretty. Minuses: hate the management, no equity, costs 50% more than other 2br apartments in area (which are not options for us because of transportation).

buying a 3br 2br house in a modest neighborhood. Pluses: Getting equity, an extra room, more autonomy, less slick fanciness, shorter commute. Minuses: A less safe walk, need to do some renovations before we could move in, having to deal with maintenance, no immediately available help for me if I am alone in the house, a harder move, more hassle if it is difficult to sell.

We have plugged the financial decision into various calculators, and the house always wins but sometimes not by much, depending on the assumptions we make. My partner feels very worried about my safety and the potential hassles of managing a house and all that comes with it.

Thoughts, anyone?
post #2 of 24
I buying only wins out by a small margin, I'd continue to rent for two reasons - your safety and the costs of maintenance of a house could eat up the difference between the two.
post #3 of 24
I would rent based on everything in the full picture.
post #4 of 24
I would continue to rent in the same community, but I'd ask to meet with the management. In that meeting, I'd ask for a lease that takes into account your continued "loyalty". ( ie: give me a discount, please!) If it meant signing a 2-3 year lease, I'd consider it, if you felt your job was stable.
post #5 of 24
I would rent. I don't know what area you are in, but this isn't a great climate in which to flip a house in under 2 years, plus even if you did manage to make money on it, you'd likely owe income tax on that money due to living in it under 2 years.

While the house might win in scenarios you pick, it carries a lot more risk and you have to weigh that in. If prices drop, if you can't sell it right away, etc all has to be taken into account.
post #6 of 24
If you are definitely moving within 2 years, I would rent no matter what the numbers say. You pay so much interest on a mortgage in the first few years that you'd have to sell at your buying price now PLUS all the money you put into the house in every way (payments, insurance, maintenance, etc) in order to break even and I am sure I have left off other important financial considerations.
post #7 of 24
No way would I buy a home with the intention of only staying 18mos -2 years... I dont know your area but around here it can take that long for a house to sell... Houses are long term investments and long term commitments...

Why not look to RENT a house?? That would be the best of both worlds??
post #8 of 24
I'm with the pps - if you KNOW that you'll be moving in the next 2 years, there's no way I would buy.
post #9 of 24
Another vote for rent.
post #10 of 24
Hmmm...I read this as she is going to move in 18 mo-2 years and at THAT POINT should she rent or buy? I'm not sure if that is what she meant or if she meant she needs to move now and then again in 2 years.

Either way though, given the situation as presented, I say continue to rent.
post #11 of 24
Yeah, definitely rent. Don't forget that when you go to sell it in 2 years, you'll have to pay the 6% realtor fees, so your house will have to appreciate at least that much, PLUS whatever you've spent on maintainance/upgrades, just to break even. That's unlikely in the current real estate climate.
post #12 of 24
If you are disabled, you may qualify for your local paratransit service. Ours is part of our city transit system. You can have standing rides for work or one-off appointments that you set up for shopping and whatnot.
post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the advice. Seems like there is a consensus!

I do qualify for paratransit, but sadly they will not take me to work at 4 in the morning. I need to be able to walk.
post #14 of 24
Your reasons may be valid and you may just want or feel you need a change, but I thought I'd share that we did all they typical get-ready-for-a-baby type things (cribs, strollers, swings, etc.) and found we actually used NONE of them. Our DS left very little of a footprint (it was us and our stuff we thought we needed that did). If you're practicing attachment parenting by breastfeeding, having babe in bed with you, and babywearing mainly. You'll probably find that you'd be just fine where you are.

There was very little crying for us. Boobs and pottying solved almost all of life's issues. Moving for those reasons alone probably isn't worth the hassle.

Mind you all of that is kind of like a rite of passage- I don' know if I'd have been ready to write all the typical baby-gear off as a first-time mom, as a second-time mom though, next time I won't bother with 95% of it.

Anyways, moral of this post. If you'd prefer to just stay where you are, I think you could pull it off. If you're ready for a move and can afford the 2br in your building, I'd stick to renting that (or renting somewhere at least).

ETA: would renting in a cheaper neighbourhood that you love leave enough funds left over to cover cab rides to work so you could still get around?
post #15 of 24
We just bought a house last year after considering some of those same factors, and I just have to say having a house is WAY more expensive. With everything from utilities that cost more to heat/cool your home, to unexpected little things breaking, or worse, really big things breaking. Even though when we crunched the numbers and the house "won" and we were tired of "throwing away money on rent" (or at least, that's the advice we received), I'm not sure it was the right financial decision for us.

Equity is not a sure thing in this market anyway.

Now we have resigned ourselves to make the best of it, but it's hard. I definitely wish I was still renting.
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by sunnysandiegan View Post
If you are definitely moving within 2 years, I would rent no matter what the numbers say. You pay so much interest on a mortgage in the first few years that you'd have to sell at your buying price now PLUS all the money you put into the house in every way (payments, insurance, maintenance, etc) in order to break even and I am sure I have left off other important financial considerations.
I definitely agree with this. I think the financial calculators simplify the equation because it would be very difficult to take everything into account and it would be overwhelming to use if you had to know all the numbers first.

Also, it seems like when buying a house there are some surprise maintenance/setup costs, no matter how good your inspection is. No home is ever perfect (at least the affordable ones never are!) and when you start taking off wallpaper or pulling up the carpet there always seem to be unwelcome surprises to find. And inevitably you need an appliance or curtains or a lawnmower when you move in. Or the fridge breaks. Etc.

It's sort of a cost/benefits balance but in the short term like what you are describing it rarely balances to your benefit.
post #17 of 24
In this economic climate you will likely end up underwater if you buy now and try to sell in 2 yrs of less. Home prices WILL continue to drop in most areas, some much less than others, but unless you are staying in a home for the next 7-10 yrs I would NOT buy. Try to find another 2 bd in your area that you can afford or bite the bullet and rent in your current building. JMO
post #18 of 24
I think I would rent too. I'm guessing house prices will be flat or maybe go up just slightly over the next 2 years if you are in a city, but an increase of just a few percent will not be enough to recoup all of the costs of buying and selling. Your closing costs moving in are easily 2-3% of the value of the house. And selling you can expect to pay up to 10% of the value of the house. Real estate comission is typically 6%, taxes are often 1-2%, closing costs again are another 1-2%. So if you are considering buying a house worth $300,000 today, you would need to anticipate spending around $36,000 in closing costs to buy and sell. Moreover, the amount of principle you pay in the first few years of a mortgage is minimal.

It might make sense to buy if you expect that you'll be given relo assistance when you move. Often employers will pay closing and moving expenses and if that was the case, then it would be easier to end up ahead.

It might also make sense to buy if you found an amazing deal. As if you find a house that is worth $300,000 and are able to buy it for like $200,000 - then obviously it could be worth it financially.

I think safety and ease are important too, so I would generally suggest staying in the apartment.
post #19 of 24
I like eirual's idea. Babies don't take up a whole lot of room - we had twins, and the only extra stuff we bought for them were swings (which I might not have needed if I'd had just one baby), bouncy seats, a crib (they napped in a crib together, and slept with us at night), and a small dresser for their clothes and diapers. We never used a changing table, and we had collapsible high chairs that strapped to a kitchen chair.

Maybe the best bet is to stay where you are, invest in some good noise-cancelling headphones so DP can work undisturbed, and see how crowded you feel. Once Junior is mobile, the apartment will feel a lot smaller, but if you can put off moving to a 2-bedroom apartment for several months, you'll save big bucks.

It sounds like your apartment complex has a LOT going for it. Take full advantage of that, and don't blow all those "moving into a house" expenses until you are good and ready. As others have said, houses are far more expensive than they first appear, between closing costs, utilities, taxes, insurance. Then there are things that you realize you need to buy that you didn't need before: a lawn mower, a garden hose (you'd be amazed how expensive they are!), more furniture to fill some of the extra space, cutains, a gallon of paint here and there, a few flowerpots - those things can add up FAST! If you are staying in a house for a long time, those expenses are more of an investment; if you are moving in a short time (assuming you can sell right away), it's just more crap you have to move.
post #20 of 24
In case you still aren't convinced.......another vote for renting.
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