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Heyla! And welcome to the very late Pagan Summer Camp "Beyond the Pagan 101s Senior Seminar".

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There is a lot of information out there on the web and in mainstream bookstores about the "basics" of paganism. All different colors, shapes, flavors, and styles seem to be represented. And this is a great and glorious thing, a huge change from even just 30 years ago when a seeker had to find (and be brave enough to enter!) the tiny corner occult shop, or wade through a pile of gothic horror font magazines to find the one mimeographed handbook printed in somebody's basement, or wander the less savory parts of town looking for the ritual they heard about third hand but which "was supposed to be around here someplace, I think, maybe, oh gods what am I doing out here by myself?".

But even though you can now walk into almost any Barnes & Noble or Borders and sip your oversized fancy named coffee-like beverage as you wander past well lit shelves of Pagan or New Aged books looking for a comfy chair, it's clear there are some big gaps. Namely... the books on the shelves all seem to focus on the "welcome to the path" end of the spectrum. Where are the books for people who have been pagan for 5, 10, 15, 20, 30, 40+ years?

Now of course there are good reasons for this gap... primary among them being the fact that many pagans find a path or practice that works for them and then simply keep going on their own.

But if you are on your own for year after year, how do you grow? Who or what presses against you or challenges your comfort zone? Who or what asks you the tough questions and provides you with possible answers? (a role which, in other religions, may be filled by a ritual specialist or by relying on a reference text that took hundreds or even thousands of years to compile) How do you keep your practice fresh and meaningful and effective and interesting and engaging? Who or what helps you maintain a daily, weekly, seasonal, annual practice? Who or what let's you know you're "doing it right"? Where do you turn if you realize you can't answer your child's question, or don't understand why bad things happen to good people, or wake up at 3am and realize that you just don't "feel" anything on a spiritual level anymore and wonder what you're doing with your life and whether there's something more out there? Where do you find poetry, and inspiration, and joy, and motivation, and music, and meaning as the decades march past?

My hope is that this thread will provide a place to discuss these questions and offer ideas for staying involved, devoted, inspired, and self-aware on a religious and spiritual adventure that is often lonely and cut off from social support. Tracy's Leo New Moon article actually raises some very on-topic points, asking people to examine what they believe and who they want to be in very concrete way during this coming lunar cycle.

In many religions and traditions there are trained ritual specialists who are available to answer questions or provide guidance. In the pagan world, each individual is called on to be their own specialist. Which can entail a heck of a lot of work over the years! While there is a lot of great information in the MDC Pagan Resource Thread (here), I wanted to pull together a few books that might be of use when deepening a pagan practice. I hope people will add to the list, or share their thoughts about the individual texts listed. Just be aware that many of these books are NOT of the "pagan 101" variety... many of them are used in university level classes and are considered scholarly works (in the fields of religion, anthropology, gender studies, sociology, ethnography, etc). They are fascinating and thought provoking and certainly readable by non-academics, but they are not exactly coffee table books or easy bedtime reading.


Building (or maintaining) a daily practice:
--Celtic Devotional: Daily Prayers and Blessings
--Essene Book of Meditations and Blessings
--Devotional Dance: Sacred Movements for Meditation and Transformation
--Northern Tradition for the Solitary Practitioner: A Book of Prayer, Devotional Practice, and the Nine Worlds of Spirit
--Pagan Prayer Beads: Magic and Meditation with Pagan Rosaries (you knew I couldn't leave out beads, right? )


General "deep thought" books:
--Green Egg Omlette
--Pagan Visions for a Sustainable Future
--Twelve Wild Swans
--Dreaming the Dark
--Carmina Gadelica: Hymns & Incantations
--evolutionary witchcraft
--The Pagan Book of Living and Dying
--Sophia: Goddess of Wisdom, Bride of God


More specifically "scholarly" books:
--Living With Honor: A Pagan Ethics
--Pagan Theology
--A World Full of Gods
--Celtic Heritage: Ancient Tradition in Ireland and Wales
--Fairy-Faith in Celtic Countries
--The Paganism Reader
--Voices from the Pagan Census: A National Survey of Witches and Neo-Pagans in the United States

Magazines or Journals:
--Pomegranate: The International Journal of Pagan Studies
--Nova Religio: The Journal of Alternative and Emergent Religions
--Syzygy: A Journal of Alternative Religion and Culture


Organizations to explore:
--Contemporary Pagan Studies Group (part of the American Academy of Religion)
--Cherry Hill Seminary
post #2 of 28

Oh, the resources. I can be busy reading those for the next year.

I know if I meditate more, I could better center myself and deepen my practice. Such is life, that's not going to happen right now. So I'm satisfied with little increments of time and tangible reminders of my spirituality surrounding me.
Thank you so much Clay for starting up this seminar
post #3 of 28
Awesome Clay!

And yes, NOW you can go have that baby.
post #4 of 28
Wow, this is wonderful! Thanks Clay.
post #5 of 28
Thanks so much for this Clay! What wonderful resources! I already have a few, but can't wait to check out the rest! :
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Yay! I will delve into this later tonight. I agree, finding is hard.
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It's something I'd struggled with... I've been openly pagan for about 16 years now. Before that I was raised in a very conservative and observant Catholic home where there was an "official" teaching for just about every action, thought, or question that might arise. While on the one hand I really don't want to live within such a structured framework, I do sometimes miss the "comfort" that framework provided. Even if I hated the answer I was given, or disagreed completely with something I'd been taught, at least there was a yes/no right/wrong do/don't I could turn to or a specialist I could question.

Pagan paths (even the more organized and researched Recon groups) tend to have fewer specialists and to rely more on the individual. But after you've read the 101 books and found the path that feels right... well... then where do you go? And how do you stay fresh and focused year after year?

I know some people just keep reading new 101 books and adding to their practice that way. And others eventually join pagan groups that do provide more structure (either a loose structure like Reclaiming or Church of All Worlds, or the more formal structure of Recon or an established coven). In fact, I've often wondered if the tendency of long term pagans to join groups like the Unitarian Universalists stems from this need for community and some sort of routine structure "imposed" from the outside.

I know that when we had children DH and I really had to focus on our beliefs and how we planned on raising our children. And that we did choose to join the UU church to provide routine and structure without the imposition of specific belief and practice. But this is an ongoing process... and we both want to make certain we don't simply "give up" our pagan practice in favor of an "easier" life as Unitarians. (and I mean "easier" in terms of, well... of being able to rely on an RE teacher or minister instead of providing personal/immediate spiritual guidance for our kiddos)

See? I really struggle with finding a balance between being the "person in control" and wanting to just sit back and let someone else take over as the "expert". Maybe I should enroll in the Cherry Hill Seminary and be both parent and "official expert"?
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I really struggle with finding a balance between being the "person in control" and wanting to just sit back and let someone else take over as the "expert". Maybe I should enroll in the Cherry Hill Seminary and be both parent and "official expert"?
That's where I'm at with health. Our MDs here aren't holistic enough for my liking; and I don't like having to pay for services for every little ache and pain. So I feel that, if we're going to follow a holistic path, we (my family, that is) should have someone to turn to but have our own intrinsic knowledge of how to deal with health problems in a holistic manner. Ergo, the online ND program I'm doing (still wading through clinical biochemistry).

I think the whole notion of oneself vs the expert might be the underlying source for my parents' ... concerns... That they like to have experts to turn to, and I do not (well, more honestly, I guess I like being the expert). Sheesh, I guess I'm more type A than I thought!

Back on topic...I was actually looking at the Pomegranate the other day because it was mentioned in a blog posting (at the Wild Hunt Blog). Intriguing but $$$ if you don't have access to an institution.

I would have to add a few things:
I really enjoyed this current issue (Spring/Summer?) of Sage Woman. Some articles were clearly 101-ish but most weren't.

MatriFocus (http://www.matrifocus.com) is an intellectual (non-101) cross-quarterly e-zine for goddess women (free!).

Goddess Alive (http://www.goddessalive.co.uk/current/current.html) is another magazine but only a few articles are free online, the rest are only through subscription.

I've also been thinking a lot about Deep Ecology, Deep Time - a hybrid between ecology, evolutionary biology, and paganism. I have some URLs buried somewhere and a whole slew of books on wish lists
post #10 of 28
Thanks Clay for posting this!

I know I haven't been on this path as long as others, but I find this enlightening either way.

My recent experience with the Church for my grandfather's funeral made so many thoughts go through my mind. When I was trying hard to be actively involved, I went to Church and it looked like I was a devoted person, but deep down, I didn't feel like I could connect. When I went back the other day, there was such an atmosphere of community (then again, it was a celebration of his life) and the music - oh how I miss the music. Music takes me to new places and lets my soul be open. Then again, I've learned many chants and those have been deeply moving experiences.

When I started on the pagan path, I was a solitary for some time and then started studying with a coven. I was deeply missing that sense of community and the sense of mutual support. I knew someone would be there to help me along the way and answer my questions. Well, after staying there for a few years and getting my initiation to first degree I started to notice how this really wasn't for me. I think there was a mindset change that people would look up to me and yet I felt like I still knew nothing. There was still so much more for me to learn that could not be taught down the hierarchy that was there. I'm also quite a structured person, being in the military and all, I have always been used to following orders and protocols. The Goddess spoke loud and clear that what I had to learn was not going to be from working with them. It has been a little over a year since that initiation ritual and yet I feel like in this year, I have opened my eyes to so much more around me. I have been able to take my practice on a more personal level and I've been able to see what does and does not work for me.

I agree that I still miss the community. It can get lonely.

The other day, I was re-reading some parts of "Circle Round" and there was a line that stood out for me. It is at the library so this is not a direct quote but to paraphrase it, it said: other world religions have time that is specifically scheduled into their calendars as 'spiritual time' but those following Goddess traditions need to make that time themselves. What a challenge, but I have found that making that time a part of my day has only deepened that connection. Sure, some days I am not as good at remembering or I get bogged down but it only takes a few seconds to see some of the altars I have set up, the multitude of books, or the beauty all around me - and I know, the Goddess is here.

I haven't looked for much online but this thread will certainly serve as a jumping off point and open many more doors.

One thing that I have enjoyed that aren't usually isn't in a 101 book includes
walking a labyrynth (although I'd love to make one, even a finger one). I also keep thinking about Mary's experience in the caves. I would love to a) have a cave around here and b) do a ritual there, especially one focused on birth. Yet I have days where I feel like I don't know enough and what if something goes wrong? And I return back to square one...where I need to learn to trust myself.

Okay, that was a much longer reply than I intended Off to our appointment, but I can't wait to read some more!
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squeeee! ok, everyone, keep asking follow up questions so she feels tied to the computer....

i'll be back later to play!

(eta: so, clay, was that just sitting up your sleeve? or did you pour a dozen extra hours into it after i suggested posting it?)
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One thing that I have enjoyed that aren't usually isn't in a 101 book includes
walking a labyrynth (although I'd love to make one, even a finger one). I also keep thinking about Mary's experience in the caves. I would love to a) have a cave around here and b) do a ritual there, especially one focused on birth. Yet I have days where I feel like I don't know enough and what if something goes wrong? And I return back to square one...where I need to learn to trust myself.
yeah... another thing i want to do in my yard is to make a labyrinth but was feeling stuck about its design. then i found a garden plan that had a labyrinth design in it! so now i'm closer to convincing dh that it wouldn't be a kooky thing to do.

i did draw a labyrinth on a piece of paper ... somewhere...

but you are right about the time thing... however, we can incorporate goddess connections easily in our daily lives, no? Johnson shows how we do this in the kitchen witch way (Cooking Like a Goddess - i love it!) and includes a few seasonal rituals that take 5-10 minutes and can be shared with either kids or a partner. she also has a few visualizations that accompany recipes - e.g., as you're stirring, imagine this...

gardening... you can talk to the plants... feel the dirt and the life therein (if you're near Chicago, you've got to check out the Field Museum's "Underground Adventure" for an expanded view of the top 6" of dirt - it's fascinating, especially so for kids http://www.fieldmuseum.org/undergroundadventure/)

perhaps even housecleaning... you can probably induce a trance when you're vacuuming.... and go into a deep meditative state AND clean your house.

why is it that i can never remember to do these?
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was that just sitting up your sleeve? or did you pour a dozen extra hours into it after i suggested posting it?
I'd put together the resource list way back at the beginning of the summer, but I guess I wrote the rest off the cuff. But I didn't want to post the thread because I didn't have a resource list/discussion topic worked out for each day. Yeah, yeah... the curse of the procrastinator/perfectionist!

Labyrinths- there was some stuff about working with (and making) labyrinths in last year's summer camp. I know there was some stuff in the bedroom/bath week, but also in the gardening week. The children's garden here has a small labyrinth they made by putting down mulch to make a "trail" into and out from the center. I think though it would be really nifty to make a fancier labyrinth with yummy scented herbs... so you'd be walking on a path of, oh, creeping thyme, or chamomile, or some other low growing yummy smelling herb. Maybe edge the path with rocks to help contain the herbs or just leave it really organic? I dunno.

I thought about making a finger labyrinth for the birth, but didn't actually do it yet. Hmmmm. Another pre-baby must do project?
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Thanks, Clay!!

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See? I really struggle with finding a balance between being the "person in control" and wanting to just sit back and let someone else take over as the "expert".
This is very familiar! My experience is very much the same.
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I thought about making a finger labyrinth for the birth, but didn't actually do it yet. Hmmmm. Another pre-baby must do project?
maybe baby is waiting for you to finish all these "pre-baby" projects...
post #17 of 28
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Oh lordy... I'd be pregnant forever at that rate!
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Oh! Labyrinths!!! I'm working on a plan to build one in my backyard! : Still in the research phase. I love the scented herbs trail idea! :
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i really wish there was a save-draft-post-later function... trying again to make better sense...


it's a fascinating topic for me, and i can see where those of you who enjoy leadership and set answers would especially have a hard time-- me, i'm not especially prone to enjoying either, so it's less problematic. i do require basically constant growth and development, however, so i'm always looking for ways to do that.

two core elements of my practice are also, to me, key to answering the question of continued growth-- the every-day aspect, and being connected to source/energy/etc, however you like to phrase that one.

we talk a lot about the first... gardening is huge for me there, clearly, lol... but also things like following my cycle, the moon's, and other ways of being tuned in to each day. (my ideal here would be to live as close to nature as possible... i often feel like my "tools" are props to help me cope with living as i do now, distanced from my... "heart home," as it were... i know we've talked about that as well. it's a concept that helps me, though it also frustrates me at times... )

one of my biggest tools for the second is-- guess? yeah. tapping. it's true, though. i'm not talking about tapping like "even though i have this feeling, i deeply and completely..." etc. it's more like the chakra tapping, or even that "clearing your cortices" thing... it becomes free-form, almost trance like, and very meditative. i lurve it.

then there's my egg-headed self who is drooling at the list of books and wondering if she can get her hubby to get some resources thru his nifty grad school online secret passwords stuff....

: great topic. i want to hear more!
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then there's my egg-headed self who is drooling at the list of books and wondering if she can get her hubby to get some resources thru his nifty grad school online secret passwords stuff....
i have secret passwords too - just PM me if you need anything- and i'm at a BIG school (we don't do anything small here).... but then we are in the middle of the Bible belt, so i'm not sure how the pagan literature is in the library. then again, we have a fabulous interlibrary loan - mostly 'coz they're getting rid of the actual books in the library.
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