swine flu 1953?

[justice'smom]

I took my son for his 4 month well baby visit today and of course declined vax as usual. His ped tryed to get me to think about the H1N1 vax which I am def. not getting. The ped. told me that there was an outbreak in 1953 of the swine flu and it killed many like small poxs did at one time. First of all I don't care either way, I'm still not getting the vax, but did he lie to me? I have done my research and only know of the swine flu from 1976 that ended up being no big deal. Thanks for your time.

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by justice'smom

His ped tryed to get me to think about the H1N1 vax which I am def. not getting. The ped. told me that there was an outbreak in 1953 of the swine flu and it killed many like small poxs did at one time.

He was probably thinking of the "I'm just making this up as I go along because you are not doing what you are being told to do, and your lack of fear is annoying me" flu.

Doctors almost always have some kind of comeback regarding how you will die if you don't do what they say.

[Gitti]

He was telling you a lie. Ignorant doctors.

[ZoeyZoo]

The 1976 swine flu is the only one I've heard of too. For some reason doctors seem to have a pet vax. You'll see posts like this on the board a lot but there's always a specific vax the doctor is trying to push saying how horrible the desease is.

[mysticmomma]

He was probably thinking of the "I'm just making this up as I go along because you are not doing what you are being told to do, and your lack of fear is annoying me" flu.

[beckyand3littlemonsters]

i'm getting sick of hearing about swine flu it's getting way out of hand people are getting too scared for nothing really, my dd caitlin had a cough a few weeks back and i had neighbours saying, she might have swine flu has she got temp and if she gets a runny nose phone an ambulence strait away :

[Fyrestorm]

I think he's a bit mixed up...it was the wrong year that he gave you and it was the vaccine that was stopped because it was killing people, not the flu.

[caned & able]

There was a huge swine flu epidemic in 1918 and a much smaller swine flu epidemic one in 1976. The 1918 epidemic was probably related to WWI.

There was an Asian flu in 1957 and a Hong Kong flu in 1967.

Why are doctors exempt from accusations of xenophobia?

[leila1213]

Originally Posted by ZoeyZoo

The 1976 swine flu is the only one I've heard of too. For some reason doctors seem to have a pet vax. You'll see posts like this on the board a lot but there's always a specific vax the doctor is trying to push saying how horrible the desease is.

Why is this? If they get you to do the first one, do they generally push for more? Or do they just think they'll wear you down by focusing on one at a time? If vaxes work and the diseases are so dangerous, then why is one so much more important than the rest?

[justice'smom]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

I think he's a bit mixed up...it was the wrong year that he gave you and it was the vaccine that was stopped because it was killing people, not the flu.

That is Exactly what I thought! I hate with a passion all this fear stuff. Give me a break. I guess they don't realize I have researched my bum off about vaccines. It was not an easy decision, but also not one that trying to scare me is going to change.
Thank you for your replies. I am upset in knowing that this paticular dr. would stoop to lying to me. : I really liked him a lot.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by justice'smom

I am upset in knowing that this paticular dr. would stoop to lying to me. : I really liked him a lot.

Then kindly ask him for proof. He's going to have to research it.

[LoisLane]

From what I've read, there was a flu in the early 1950s that was similar to this version of H1N1 -- some of the research shows that some people over 56 or so might have some immunity to today's version of it. Apparently that's another reason it's not hitting the older generations as much as younger people. I don't know if it was a swine flu, and I don't know if it was an epidemic... just a flu that went around, as flus do, and those who had it then might have immunity now. So to the OP -- I don't think your doctor is completely crazy! Maybe using this info for scare tactics, but he might have some truth in part of his argument LOL!

EDITED TO ADD: From http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...ract/133/3/296 (American Journal of Epidemiology)

These observations indicate that many persons infected with influenza A/H1N1 viruses that circulated from 1946 through 1953 have immunity which has persisted for more than 25 years but this immunity is not complete.

[Crazybean]

Originally Posted by leila1213

Why is this? If they get you to do the first one, do they generally push for more? Or do they just think they'll wear you down by focusing on one at a time? If vaxes work and the diseases are so dangerous, then why is one so much more important than the rest?

I just wanted to comment on this.. back when DS was 2 months old, I told the pedi that I am delaying them until further research ect.. he tried SO hard for me to at least "consider the DTaP and the Hib" because back in his medical school days, he witnessed a family and their young child's death blah blah blah... it was all because the mom refused to vaccinate against so the kid died and the husband divorced her over it. I knew he was using fear to push me into it. I didn't give in but I know many parents probably did *sigh*. The next visit was another vaccine and the horror stories he witnessed. I quit going to him after that.

[leila1213]

Originally Posted by LoisLane

From what I've read, there was a flu in the early 1950s that was similar to this version of H1N1 -- some of the research shows that some people over 56 or so might have some immunity to today's version of it. Apparently that's another reason it's not hitting the older generations as much as younger people. I don't know if it was a swine flu, and I don't know if it was an epidemic... just a flu that went around, as flus do, and those who had it then might have immunity now. So to the OP -- I don't think your doctor is completely crazy! Maybe using this info for scare tactics, but he might have some truth in part of his argument LOL!

EDITED TO ADD: From http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...ract/133/3/296 (American Journal of Epidemiology)

These observations indicate that many persons infected with influenza A/H1N1 viruses that circulated from 1946 through 1953 have immunity which has persisted for more than 25 years but this immunity is not complete.

So, whatever happened in 1953, it was GETTING THE FLU that ended up benefiting people, NOT getting the vaccine, right?

[LoisLane]

Originally Posted by leila1213

So, whatever happened in 1953, it was GETTING THE FLU that ended up benefiting people, NOT getting the vaccine, right?

Yup! Although I imagine like is true with all flu, some people died in 1953 (and every year)... but for those who got it and fought it off, they might still have some lingering partial (but not complete) immunity.

[maxwill129]

Originally Posted by LoisLane

From what I've read, there was a flu in the early 1950s that was similar to this version of H1N1 -- some of the research shows that some people over 56 or so might have some immunity to today's version of it. Apparently that's another reason it's not hitting the older generations as much as younger people. I don't know if it was a swine flu, and I don't know if it was an epidemic... just a flu that went around, as flus do, and those who had it then might have immunity now. So to the OP -- I don't think your doctor is completely crazy! Maybe using this info for scare tactics, but he might have some truth in part of his argument LOL!

EDITED TO ADD: From http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...ract/133/3/296 (American Journal of Epidemiology)

These observations indicate that many persons infected with influenza A/H1N1 viruses that circulated from 1946 through 1953 have immunity which has persisted for more than 25 years but this immunity is not complete.

Good info to know! Thanks for posting!