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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
DD#2 is 8 weeks old now. During her UC birth I didnt feel like I tore, and it didnt even hurt to go to the bathroom. I thought I was all good. When I checked down there about 1week ppd there was a skid mark..but everything was still swollenb About 2-3 weeks ppd I had a bowel movement and it felt like I was tearing..it was really really weird.

Anyways...Im not sure if the bowel movement caused a skid mark to tear...but..I definitely have a tear..and its still there! At 8 wks. And it hurts..only when I poo. It doesnt look severe at all..but it hurts..

Is there anything I can try to heal it? Like I said it looks so minor...but obviously it must be something if it hurts right?
post #2 of 28

I'm no expert but here's what I've found

I'm expecting my first so it's good to have a reason to google before it happens to me! There seems to be a time limit on suturing that you've missed, but I've referenced a dozen medically minded websites and all say it will heal with time.

First off if your still swollen, ICE! It will help by numbing the area and bring down the tissue swelling. You can ice until the area is numb (after you can't feel the cold stinging sensation) and go again after you've had an hour's break. You might not have time or energy to ice all day, so aim for at least three times a day if you can!

Homeopathic arnica, 30C, tid x 5 days, is recommended for tissue healing

Use comfrey for your baths for 15 min. at least twice a day. Everybody is praising comfrey.

My chiropractor used seaweed to fuse the skin back together when she tore, there's an article about this practice here http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articl...Bto%2BSuturing
If I were you I would try it, as most people notice a significant improvement in 24 hours, if you don't you can always try something else.

Here's some information on using tree sap, which looks promising.
http://www.purebirth-australia.com/c...eal-tears.html

Most of the other advice I'm finding says 'keep your legs together' (as if your going to take up yoga this week). But I'm guessing your body likely already has this one covered.

Let us know what you end up doing and how it goes, I'm interested!
post #3 of 28
I also hear raw honey is very effective at healing a tear.

good luck
post #4 of 28
I don't know how natural witch hazel is, but it is very soothing. Kymberli
post #5 of 28
Thread Starter 
is it important at all to mention that it still bleeds....

Thats TONS of info basje! Thanks!
post #6 of 28
I would have it looked at ASAP, by a women's health professional.

The fact that it hasn't healed already is not good, the fact that it still bleeds, especially upon bm, is not good. Sounds possible that you have had some incorrect healing that may be impacting your bowel and that could be why you are having pain and all with bm...I mean that possibly your bm is retearing something in your yoni, or on the perineum, 'accidentally' each time as it passes through the neighboring 'tube'....but possibly, your body MUST retear (on purpose) something that has healed incorrectly, in order for bm to come out.

Of course, I don't know. Not there, haven't seen it, etc. All I can think is:
this is your YONI....it plays a part in several important functions and is a center for pleasurable love in your life. This issue is NOT something *I* would mess around with, for sure, if it were my yoni. I would want skilled professional assessment without further delay--so that I would know clearly what is going on, and what might be done to support speedy, effective healing. I might not take the advice that such a professional offers (might wait on surgery or antibiotics, for instance), but I would want skilled assessment.

You have to realize that what you can see for yourself (and let's face it, even with practice the yoni is not all that easy to clearly see/assess, given it's structure)....what you can see for yourself may not be the full extent of your injury. There may be internal tearing, however small. And having your dh or a friend look is not going to be much help if any--what do they really know for sure about yonis and rectums and all? A skilled assessor has learned how to see The Southern Parts, knows each part/element separately and together, how it should look and fit together (with the possible variations), all that.

SOme tears do simply take longer to heal, for a variety of possible reasons. Your tear sure sounds like one that would greatly benefit from skilled assessment and your focussed, appropriate efforts to support and guide healing.

You certainly can trust your body to heal. And torn edges will certainly heal in time.....the issue is whether they will heal in the right shape, joined properly to the proper other torn edge....because torn edges can and do heal to the wrong other parts, or simply heal over at that edge rather than binding/healing to the right other part (and if the raw edge does heal over, it will never bind to the right other part).
post #7 of 28
I agree with MsBlack. If it hasn't healed by now it warrants looking at.
post #8 of 28
Is it a vaginal tear or an anal fissure? Anal fissures are fairly common, they do bleed and hurt when you have a bowel movement, but they don't treat them other than with steroidal suppositories.
post #9 of 28
Thread Starter 
well there is definitely a vaginal tear..but it feels like a fissure (but worse) which i had a few of for months after dd#1. I cant pinpoint where the blood is coming from...
post #10 of 28
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Originally Posted by Earth Momma View Post
I also hear raw honey is very effective at healing a tear.

good luck
effective and it feels great too, very soothing.
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by poiyt View Post
I cant pinpoint where the blood is coming from...
This would concern me. That means it could be internal, and worse than you think.
post #12 of 28
If it were me, I'd definitely get it checked out as soon as possible by a midwife or doctor because it sounds like you're not quite sure what's going on and it's a very sensitive area to boot. Raw honey is great in the meantime, but I'd definitely call and make an appointment ASAP with someone I can trust. You don't want it to get worse or infected...that's just misery.
post #13 of 28
Thread Starter 
Here is my issue....

I didnt have a midwife for dd#2. My family doc up and moved (apparantly they can do that without informing patients)..so none of us have a doctor.

Who would be better to see this about...a walk in clinic doc, a "random" midwife, call an OB and see if he will see me without a referrel..
post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by poiyt View Post
Who would be better to see this about...a walk in clinic doc, a "random" midwife, call an OB and see if he will see me without a referrel..
I personally feel more comfortable with midwives...I would go to the tribe subforum, find your area and see if anyone has any recommendations. I also have an easier time trusting midwives over doctors since they tend to err on the side of natural care as well as being as non-invasive as possible.
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by poiyt View Post
Who would be better to see this about...a walk in clinic doc, a "random" midwife, call an OB and see if he will see me without a referrel..
I think you should contact a midwifery group in your area, or see if there's a women's clinic nearby. Where in BC are you? You can search healthlinkbc.ca for health services in your community.

You could schedule a consultation with a midwife, and they could take a good look and recommend where to go from there. As for women's clinics, here in Edmonton we have a 'Birth Control Centre' which is where I went a few times to get my PAP done before we got a family doctor. They are used to looking at vaginas all day and would hopefully be able to see what is going on with you and give you a recommendation for further care.

I hope you get an appointment with someone soon!
post #16 of 28
i would call a local midwife personally before just walking itno a clinic I didn't know anything about.
post #17 of 28

I'd go

In BC you need a referral for an OB. I'd just sched a 6 week (give or take) PP check and talk about the problem. When asked about reg doc--he moved out of town.
post #18 of 28
here's my experience:

i did a little too much pushing via my anus (as much as i tried to focus on the vagina). it was when i was trying to rush things at one point.

anyway, i had a small 'skid mark' near my urethra, and i was pretty swollen after. i used prefolds dipped in comfrey tea and water. so nice.

i thought i might have a tear because i was feeling something very similar to what you describe. i looked at the perineum, and it looked normal from the vagina side (as compared to a zillion different online pictures--both photos and drawings found at medical sites), but the anus felt "soft" in a lot of ways.

whenever i would have a bowel movement, it would hurt and bleed. it scared me a lot.

so, i asked every midwife in the area to see me--everyone completely refused. i called the CNMs on my insurer's network list--all refused. i called the gyn/OBs that i'd gone to before--everyone refused.

(emotionally, this was the biggest "hurt" of my whole birth experience. that is that everyone was telling me how i would need their help during birth, but no one was willing to help after!)

anyway, i was ultimately told to go to the ER. i called the ER to talk to the doctor about what would happen. he said that they wouldn't be able to do anything because it was all too late. if there was to be a repair, they would script me to an OB, who would see me and then later schedule a surgery to repair it. i asked him what he would do in my situation, and he said to keep it clean, keep an eye on it, see if it heals up on it's own, and if i still feel like i need help, then to come in and get the script.

he also said 'it sounds like a hemmeroid caused by pushing too much in that area rather than through the vagina."

so, i looked up what that would look like, and Viola! i had it.

my process was to keep it clean. i kept it clean. i also would "tuck" my anus back in after going. after a couple of weeks (this was after lochia stopped too, btw), i had no bleeding after going. after a few more weeks, i had no pain, and now, i don't have to tuck or anything.

it's still kind of "loose feeling" around one part of the anus (the part that i had to tuck), and so it needs a little more cleaning care than before, but otherwise, it's basically back to normal.

NOW, i'm NOT saying don't go get help. You can get help if you want it and if you feel you need it and i support getting help 100%.

i'm just sharing what my experience was and what i did.

it's amazing to me that labor and birth were pleasurable, but that after birth, i had this issue with bowel movements. i laugh about it quite a bit (and did then too, after i figured out what it was). LOL

actually, i told people, why don't they tell you more about the afterwards? i guess everyone is so caught up in the baby that they don't think about it. i mean, i did need ice (though the swelling didn't really hurt that much), and i did need to focus on keeping the anus clean and tucked in and such.

it hurt, but wasn't agonizing pain. you know, just uncomfortable like sand paper on skin or something. but, it was still funny to me that i would have that after all of that bliss! LOL

anyway, yeah. yuck. TMI!
post #19 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thank you for your story Zoebird!

I find I am now in the same boat...no midwife here will see me because they cant bill for it (yes..they wont see me because they cant make money off of me...so much for womanly support..i get that they need to make aliving..I get it..*sigh*). No OB will see me because I dont have a family doctor...I either have to go to the ER (who probably wont see me because Im not an emerg) or a walk in clinic and sit with a bunch of people and wait 2 hrs to be seen. Its very angering at this point...
post #20 of 28
totally frustrating.

my doctor (family) said that he would take a look for me, but i am not comfortable with that for some reason. but, at least someone was finally willing AFTER i felt like i had a decent answer.

also, i did a little look-see there yesterday, you know, since it was hawk's birthday and one might as well see what's what after a year (lol, crazy, i know), and there is just a tiny flap of loose skin right near the anus on the left side of the perineum.

everything else functions fine, everything looks fine (though the inner labia still look my hibiscus-y than before), and there's this tiny bit of loose skin, hence the extra cleaning factor.

hopefully, you're seeing sosmething similar and doing ok.
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