Autism listed as adverse event on DTAP vaccine insert on fda website.. - Page 2

[MyBoysBlue]

I Agree. But I also think it isn't the only factor. There is more to it then just vaccines.

[Jen78fl]

Originally Posted by MyBoysBlue

I Agree. But I also think it isn't the only factor. There is more to it then just vaccines.

There is probably also a genetic predisposition. There are some kids who can be completely fine with all the vaccines (they are very lucky)!

[Jugs]

What I find perplexing is that this is the only vaccine that lists autism as a possible adverse event . I mean, if it were listed in the package inserts of several vaccines then I would be inclined to agree that its not some "smoking gun" and it may be the by-product of our reporting system. Interesting that Tripedia is also one of the few left that contains thimerosal.

Signed,
the mother of an autistic child who received Tripedia

[FernG]

Originally Posted by Jugs

What I find perplexing is that this is the only vaccine that lists autism as a possible adverse event . I mean, if it were listed in the package inserts of several vaccines then I would be inclined to agree that its not some "smoking gun" and it may be the by-product of our reporting system. Interesting that Tripedia is also one of the few left that contains thimerosal.

Signed,
the mother of an autistic child who received Tripedia

I'm so sorry that you are dealing with autism in your family!

The reporting on the package inserts does not have to do with VAERS and adverse event reports. It's a list of everything bad that happened to people in the clinical trials or possibly other vaccine research studies during a specified time period (maybe about 2 months? I can't remember if it varies by medication or if there is a standard time). Since the reporting time is so short and it's probable that autoimmune problems don't develop quickly, it's understandable that few children would be diagnosed with autism post-vaccination. The "possible side effects" on the package insert may make parents who read them think a little, but the side effect lists aren't good evidence for either side.

[Jugs]

I understand that, and I don't see it as evidence of anything. I'm just saying how its odd that this is the only vaccine with autism listed; I find it odd that this didn't happen during any other clinical trial, or even with any other brand of DTaP. Makes me wonder just how much cherry-picking is being done.

[sakartvelogirl]

Maybe this has been said before, but it pains me to see the vaccines-cause-autism debate still being waged so fiercely.

Even Autism Speaks came out very recently with a statement saying that "there is no evidence that thimerosal or the MMR vaccine cause autism" and "evidence does not support the theory that vaccines are causing an autism
epidemic."

Autism is a HUGE concern and a huge issue. I fear that the vaccine debate is a red herring that is forcing us to focus our time and resources on the wrong "cause." Study after study proves no link -- it's time to look somewhere else!

Children with autism deserve better than our unrelenting focus on vaccines as the cause.

[mnm4242]

Originally Posted by ferng

it's different statistically. I think that b/c the anti-vax / vaccine-choice side relies so heavily on pointing out the untruths, half-truths, statistics, and poor-quality research of the pro-vaccine side, that we need to be very careful to not exaggerate and to understand what we are talking about.

Having autism listed on the package insert as a condition that happened post-vaccination is a great step in the right direction of informed consent. It does not mean that the vaccine cause the autism. It does not mean that a vaccinated and unvaccinated group were compared and it was shown that the vaccinated group developed autism in higher numbers following the vaccination. If you read more package inserts, you will find deaths from car wrecks listed as events that happened post vaccination. I *think* that the manufacturers are required to list any poor outcome that occurs within a limited time period after the vaccine is administered.

If we take these inserts and say that they show that autism is caused by dtap, doctors and others will dismiss our valid vaccine concerns as coming from uneducated parents who don't understand study design, methodology, and statistics.

Please spread that package inserts and encourage your friends to read them! But don't attribute incorrect statistical strength to the post-vaccination events.

Dta: This is coming from a mom of a totally unvaccinated child who does believe that many neurological and autoimmune disorders are likely caused by vaccines. I'm only advocating for correct use of terminology so as to protect our credibility. I'm not debating weather or not autism is caused by dtap.

thank you!!!!!!! I agree wholeheartedly!

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by sakartvelogirl

Maybe this has been said before, but it pains me to see the vaccines-cause-autism debate still being waged so fiercely.

Even Autism Speaks came out very recently with a statement saying that "there is no evidence that thimerosal or the MMR vaccine cause autism" and "evidence does not support the theory that vaccines are causing an autism
epidemic."

Autism is a HUGE concern and a huge issue. I fear that the vaccine debate is a red herring that is forcing us to focus our time and resources on the wrong "cause." Study after study proves no link -- it's time to look somewhere else!

Children with autism deserve better than our unrelenting focus on vaccines as the cause.

Have you read those studies?

[Jen78fl]

Children with autism deserve better than our unrelenting focus on vaccines as the cause.


I dont agree with this at all. I dont know how it could be more obvious than being on the package insert of DTAP vaccine, JMO. This is exactly what we need to focus on, and whatever other environmental factors there may be. We are doing chelation with our son to get out metals and I am seeing him improve greatly. Other parents I have talked to have told me that their kids are recovering with chelation. I dont know where else the metals would come from other than vaccines. I know alot of you dont agree but I see it with my own eyes from my son's improvements.

By the way, there is a special dateline on Sunday at 7 pm on NBC. Dr Andrew Wakefield will be interviewed to talk about the autism/vaccine link. He is the dr. who first theorized that the MMR vaccine may be linked to autism. I hope they will portray this issue fairly. I think it will be interesting to watch!

Jennifer

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by tessie

They have to list everything that has ever been reported as a potential adverse effect. So if I reported that I experienced a craving for poached egg on toast after being vaccinated they'd have to list it. It doesn't mean there is any evidence that the alleged adverse effect was caused by the vax.

And there is no evidence that it was NOT caused by the vax, hence it is a POTENTIAL side effect.

[eireann]

Originally Posted by Jen78fl

Not someone, somewhere reported it, try thousands and thousands of parents who have seen their child develop autism after vaccines....

^that^

[eireann]

Originally Posted by sakartvelogirl

Study after study proves no link -- it's time to look somewhere else!

if i wanted to prove my daughter was awesome, and i paid for the study to prove this belief, i'll give you one guess what the study would prove...daughter = awesome.


i mean, she is awesome, but that's beside the point...

[ema-adama]

Study after study proves no link -- it's time to look somewhere else!

http://www.fourteenstudies.org/studies_thimerosal.html

As a link for those who don't already have it.

It very well might be that vaccines are in no way associated with Autism. But so far there is zero proof that this is the case. At least none that I have found.

[Jugs]

Children with autism deserve better than our unrelenting focus on vaccines as the cause.

Not being able to prove causation is not the same as disproving a link. Our kids deserve not to have autism in the first place, but my child (like Jen78fl's) has dramatically improved since we started biomedical treatment... but I'm sure that's all just some cosmic coincidence, too.

[Jugs]

Even Autism Speaks came out very recently with a statement saying that "there is no evidence that thimerosal or the MMR vaccine cause autism" and "evidence does not support the theory that vaccines are causing an autism epidemic."

That's quite a poorly condensed version of the full statement, which can be read here:
http://www.autismspeaks.org/science/..._interview.php

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by creekprincess

Reading this gave me chills and sent me hunting down DS's shot info.

Dec 27th 2006 my son quit breathing. He was later Diagnosed with apena. When asked at the hospital about anything new, and a zillion other question I remember saying he got shots today, to which I was told shots would not make your child quit breathing. After staying @ the hospital 3 days they sent him home on a apena monitor. And I never thought about shots hurting my child and continued to vax DS until recently. My son received this shot the day he quit breathing among other shots ( a total of 6 vax that day )

Anyhow I just wanted to kinda say that MDC has helped me learn alot and share my story. And maybe it will help another child..

So what kinds of things did they say would make your child quit breathing? If direct injection of foreign and toxic substances into the pure body of a baby cannot possibly make him quit breathing, what in the world would??

It's mind-boggling that medical professionals refuse to see anything but goodness in vaccines even when adverse reactions are staring them in the face.
(Ian's Voice a prime example of that)

I'm glad you're beginning to see the light and that your son is still alive.

[sakartvelogirl]

First off, yes I have read several of the studies.

Second, I have no doubt that chelation therapy helps some children with autism. But I do not understand your argument: "Chelation therapy works because the metals in my child's body came from vaccines."

That line of reasoning fails to take into account the fact that metals can come from anywhere in the environment -- car exhaust, other forms of air pollution, pesticides, cleaning agents, etc. How can you prove it was only from vaccines?

Third, it's interesting to me that you posted the full interview from Autism Speaks, which clearly states that the organization is pro-vax.

Fourth, thanks for the info about Wakefield's upcoming interview. I will be sure to watch. But are you aware that since the publication of his study, ALL of the co-authors have come forward and publicly said that the study was flawed? That the findings are not sound & should therefore be dismissed?

If the guy conducted a fundamentally flawed study and hasn't yet followed up with another, sound study, then why is he considered a valuable voice in the autism/vaccine debate?

Lastly, I happen to agree that in some children with underlying medical conditions, vaccines may trigger autism, but that does not mean that vaccines are the sole cause of the 1 in 150 statistic. A lot of things in our society have changed in the last 25-30 years (not just the vaccine schedule) that may be affecting this number.

I happen to think that if we all stopped vaccinating our kids, the autism rate *might* drop *a bit*, but more importantly, the childhood mortality rate would shoot right up as the diseases began to make their way through the population again. Is that what we want?

[Deborah]

Actually, Wakefield's co-authors didn't reject the study. What they said was that they rejected the incorrect interpretation of the study. Because, you see, the study didn't actually include the statement that MMR caused bowel disease and autism. So, all the co-authors had to reject was the misinterpretations of the study which were being spread around. Their statement is rarely quoted directly.

Here is your challenge. Find the actual statement from the co-authors and quote it here. It will not support your interpretation.

And finally, the childhood mortality rate in the 1950s, when I was a child, was not sky high, despite the fact that horrifying diseases like measles, mumps and rubella, not to mention chickenpox, ran rampant through the population...I am a survivor of all four...

[Jugs]

Originally Posted by sakartvelogirl

Third, it's interesting to me that you posted the full interview from Autism Speaks, which clearly states that the organization is pro-vax.

And your point is...? The organization is free to be pro-vaccination while still believing that Science has not arrived at a point where it has disproven any link between vaccines and autism. I'm not sure how the two concepts are mutually exclusive.

[carriebft]

they retracted the interpretation, as in, the interpretation section of the paper-- they weren't retracting other people's interpretations. Why would they need to print a retraction of the way people interpreted their paper? that makes no sense.

In view of this, we consider
now is the appropriate time that we should together
formally retract the interpretation placed upon these
findings in the paper, according to precedent

I don't want to break copyright but here it is in full:
http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-retraction.pdf


lots of info on autism/vaccines here:

http://sciencebasedmedicine.org/refe...es-and-autism/