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Where are the studies showing the H1N1 vax is safe?  

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
How do they know that this vax wont be like the last one in the 70's and cause more harm than good?

Is there proof that babies born after their mom got the vax are healthy and have no issues at all from it?

I want to see studies because all I have seen is that they are going to start giving it to pg woman and young kids and then see what happens.
post #2 of 12
You won't see these studies because they either have not been completed yet or wil never be done in the first place.
post #3 of 12
I don't think safety studies are going to be done.

There was an article on the Washington Post yesterday that said no "red flags" had been raised with regard to safety and I heard the same reported on the news this morning. Thus, trials will now begin on pregnant women and children. :

I've also heard that it was reported that animal tests of the H1N1 vaccine showed it was safe.

In the Washington Post article, someone (I think from the CDC) was quoted as saying that there is no doubt that the most massive vaccination campaign in world history will go forward.

IMHO, the powers-that-be have already decided that the vaccine is safe and effective before they even began these so called "trials". How are they going to find a problem if they go into this with the mindset that there aren't going to be any problems?
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
So what happens if the vax causes problems like it did in the 70's will they compensate the ones harmed with $ or will there even be a way to prove the vax was the problem?

This really scares me. Pg woman and children are the most vulnerable and so many are going to get the vax because it is available without knowing what it might do to them or their child.
post #5 of 12
I think I've seen language explaining that this vaccine will be just like the seasonal flu vaccines but with this particular virus (same ingredients but different virus added) I think it is therefore assumed to be safe... or as safe as they feel the typical seasonal flu vaccine is. I don't think they're going to do studies ( not any long term ones obviously). But, they will watch after the fact to see what happens.

There is also talk about a different adjuvant used, that is not currently used here--squalene maybe?
post #6 of 12
So they're using a different adjuvant but it's "just as safe" as other flu vax?
post #7 of 12
Found this by a poster on NVIC's facebook page:

Squalene, an adjuvant considered by the CDC and WHO as "non-toxic" clearly is associated with autoimmune injuries subsequent to vaccination, e.g. Gulf War Syndrome, and clearly causes autoimmunity in an animal model of vaccination: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/content/...mmune-diseases

The use of squalene in the A(H1N1) vaccine is terribly incautious and unnecessarily increases the risk of serious injury.

HTH
post #8 of 12
clinicaltrials.gov
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
All I am seeing there is that they are recruting people for the study not a single one has been completed as of yet unless I am missing something.
post #10 of 12
I went to clincialtrials.gov and found that most of the 44 studies are still recruiting subjects to test. One study, A Study of Different Formulations of an A/H1N1 Pandemic Vaccine in Healthy Adults and the Elderly is active and is no longer recruiting.

How many people for the study?


Estimated Enrollment:850


What is the duration of the study?

Study Start Date:August 2009
Estimated Study Completion Date:December 2010
Estimated Primary Completion Date:March 2010 (Final data collection date for primary outcome measure)


4 months...

Who will be included in study?


Inclusion Criteria :
Healthy adults aged 18 years or older on the day of inclusion
Informed consent has been signed and dated
Able to attend all scheduled visits and comply with all trial procedures
For a woman of child-bearing potential, use of an effective method of contraception or abstinence from at least 4 weeks prior to the first vaccination, until at least 4 weeks after last vaccination.


Who is excluded?

Exclusion Criteria :
Known pregnancy or positive urine pregnancy test
Currently breastfeeding a child
Participation in another clinical trial investigating a vaccine, drug, medical device, or a medical procedure in the 4 weeks preceding the first trial vaccination
Planned participation in another clinical trial during the present trial period
Receipt of any vaccine in the 4 weeks preceding the trial vaccination
Planned receipt of any vaccine prior to the Day 42 blood sample
Receipt of blood or blood-derived products in the past 3 months which might interfere with the assessment of immune response
Known or suspected congenital or acquired immunodeficiency, immunosuppressive therapy such as anti-cancer chemotherapy or radiation therapy within the preceding 6 months, or long-term systemic corticosteroid therapy (prednisone or equivalent for more than 2 consecutive weeks within the past 3 months)
Self-reported seropositivity for Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV), Hepatitis B antigen, or Hepatitis C
Known systemic hypersensitivity to any of the vaccine components, or history of a life-threatening reaction to the vaccine(s) used in the trial or to a vaccine containing any of the same substances
Self reported thrombocytopenia contraindicating intramuscular (IM) vaccination
Bleeding disorder or receipt of anticoagulants in the 3 weeks preceding inclusion contraindicating IM vaccination
Deprived of freedom by an administrative or court order, or in an emergency setting, or hospitalized involuntarily
Current alcohol abuse or drug addiction that may interfere with the subject's ability to comply with trial procedures
Chronic illness that in the opinion of the Investigator, is at a stage where it might interfere with trial conduct or completion
Employees of the Investigator or study center, with direct involvement in the proposed study or other studies under the direction of that Investigator or study center, as well as family members of the employees or the Investigator.
Previous participation in a swine-origin H1N1 pandemic flu trial except if performed in 1976
Any confirmed case of influenza (including swine-origin A/H1N1 Influenza) since March 2009
Febrile illness (temperature ≥ 100.4°F [≥ 38.0°C]) or moderate or severe acute illness/infection (according to Investigator judgment) on the day of vaccination
Personal or family history of Guillain-Barré syndrome
Active neoplastic disease or a history of any hematologic malignancy
Known seizure/epilepsy history and/or taking anti-seizure medication
Receipt of psychiatric drugs. Subjects receiving a single antidepressant drug and stable for at least 3 months prior to enrollment, without decompensating symptoms will be allowed to enroll in the study



That doesn't seem reassuring to me at all. 4 months? 850 people all of whom are healthy and are not pregnant or nursing? Who are they hoping to vaccinate first--isn't it kids, and pregnant women? But, they're not going to be included in this trial any way.

So, when will they test this on pregnant women? When will they test it on children? When will they test it on people in "receipt of psychiatric drugs"? That's a lot of people, isn't it?
post #11 of 12
If you look, there are quite a few on children which are scheduled to start after the adult ones for that vaccine brand are finished. Clinical trials have 4 phases; 850 people is common for phase II. III and IV are the ones with the high thousands numbers. Preliminary results for many brands are out because they have completed sections of phase II, next month and in October you should be able to see complete prelim results on the site.

I was just giving you the resource for where you can see these things, as it seemed like it was being asked for.

See here for search list which includes children and pregnant women:
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=h1n1

There are some 1000+ phase III and IVs on there as well, including one with children and adults and a saline placebo.
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