s/o do you think vaccines ever work as intended?

[PlayaMama]

so, i've been thinking about this a bit lately. i _think_ that the reason most people choose not to vax is because of the risk of side effects or perhaps that the effective rates of immunity are less than thought. maybe it's the ingredients. i don't really want to discuss these ideas.

i'm more concerned with the yes/no of if you think they confer immunity for the disease they are supposed to. thanks for participating in the poll!

[carriebft]

Yes, one need only look at hib or measles to see this.

[laohaire]

Yes, I think they can (and often do) confer at least temporary immunity. I think this immunity is inferior to the true immunity, though. But yes, I think they are not a placebo or completely ineffective.

[sisteeesmama]

I answered this poll, but wish that I hadn't as now I suspect the results will be used in a way that I do not agree with.

I think that vaccines do work like they are supposed to, but I don't think that the benefits outwiegh the risks involved and prefer true natural immunity for my families health and safety.

[carriebft]

Originally Posted by sisteeesmama

I answered this poll, but wish that I hadn't as now I suspect the results will be used in a way that I do not agree with.

I think that vaccines do work like they are supposed to, but I don't think that the benefits outwiegh the risks involved and prefer true natural immunity for my families health and safety.

I think there is a very small minority of the vaccine-choice side of things that actually feels vaccines do not work at all. I think the OP is just trying to figure out if that small minority is really as out there as sometimes it seems.

I think it's definitely true that there are consequences that need to be dealt with despite having vaccines than can confer immunity. Just look at chicken pox and the shingles problem-- an unintended consequence of conferring immunity with a vaccine? probably.

[PlayaMama]

Originally Posted by sisteeesmama

I answered this poll, but wish that I hadn't as now I suspect the results will be used in a way that I do not agree with.

I think that vaccines do work like they are supposed to, but I don't think that the benefits outwiegh the risks involved and prefer true natural immunity for my families health and safety.

no! not at all! i think the bolded is true for many of us! i am mostly just curious about _if_ people think they work at all, not if they are 100% or if they are always the best choice.

i was just reading a recent thread about low vax rates and the spread of vpd and it occurred to me that i operate with the assumption that everyone thinks that vaccines work at least some of the time. for all i know, there could be people that don't think they work at all!

sorry if it came across in a way that might seen like it would be used against you or anything!!

[Marnica]

I answered yes they sometimes confer immunity...the important word here is SOMETIMES. There are many vaccines out there...some work better than others.

[abigail_b]

Basically I think the vaccines are generally considered to be safe & effective. In my opinion, they are indeed effective but not necessarily safe.

[weliveintheforest]

I think they are somewhat effective in many cases, but not completely.

[miriam]

Part of the small minority that does not believe vaccines ever worked.

[miriam]

Thank you.

[PlayaMama]

those that do not believe vaxes confer immunity, thank you for sharing. i'm always interested in hearing different sides.

[beckyand3littlemonsters]

I haven't answered as still need to think on this one beacuse what i've read/seen on internet/ links on this site measels deaths were already decreasing before the vaccine was introduced and didn't actually fall any further after also how do you begin to prove who would and wouldn't catch such a desease in this case i'm using measels as an example
if child a child who isn't vaxcinated catches measels and one who is doesn't does that prove it but then what if the vaxcinated child does catch does catch it would we then say if he/she hadn't been they would of got it worse, how can prove that also what if niether get it will you still say its down to the injection if niether the child who is vaxcinated catches it od the child who isn't.
ok my brains starting to hurt now, sorry all my unreadable rable

[emma1325]

I think they *probably* can induce partial immunity, but I think they cause more problems than they prevent.

I had my 5 year old's titers checked on several diseases, and she wasn't "immune enough" to any of them, even though she's been vaccinated. The pediatrician told me that titers can be unreliable, though, so I don't know what to think about vaccine immunity.

I know my children are happy and healthy, well fed, and get daily exercise, sunshine and love. I believe they will be able to process any disease that comes their way, without relying on a dangerous, artificial method of (possibly) inducing immunity to a disease that they may never even be exposed to.

[mouey77]

Originally Posted by abigail_b

Basically I think the vaccines are generally considered to be safe & effective. In my opinion, they are indeed effective but not necessarily safe.

I agree with this statement. For example, I am still immune to rubella due to my childhood vaccines. My biggest concern is hitting infants with 7 vaccines at one time when their bodies are so tiny and concern about the ingredients in the vaccines.

[Sheri Nakken]

No vaccine gives immunity

No vaccine gives immunity
It is like a vaccine injects a chronic disease state and you can't get the acute disease. But this is not immunity, this is illness

The say that antibody titers after the vaccine show immunity but they do not

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract
It is known that, in many instances, antigen-specific antibody titers do not correlate with protection. In addition, very little is known on parameters of cell-mediated immunity which could be considered as surrogates of protection."


Much on this on John's webpages
http://www.*********/vaccines/antibody.html

Antibodies are just ONE part of the immune system response......... antibodies meant something after experiencing a disease as antibody titres were there AS WELL as the rest of the immune response (which isn't measured). But in vaccines antibodies just mean exposure and do NOT mean the immune system went through all it needed to to give lasting immunity or any immunity.

The development of immunity requires many processes to occur and complete, requiring the whole team work of all the required immune system components. This simply will not occur other than when the body contracts the infection naturally

Sheri Nakken, RN, MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath