About fear of un-vaxed kids - Page 2

[kriket]

MOST of the time when people get on their "unvaxed kids are a danger to society" wagon I have 2 points. Unvaxed kids aren't currently sick. You don't have to avoid them. 2. If you are really that concerned about 'heard immunity' which is what most of them boil down to, are your vaxes current? There is a CDC schedule for adults too. Sweep your own porch before you come around mine.

[mama2jnl]

but kriket, the kids could be carrying the disease without showing any signs of it yet. or in the case of pertussis, it appears as a common cold for the first 2 weeks or so.

[Deborah]

but mama2njl, the vaccinated kids could be carrying the disease without showing any signs of it yet, or in the case of pertussis, it appears as a common cold for the first 2 weeks or so...

because not all vaccines prevent carriage or transmission of the illness, unfortunately.

[caro113]

and most of the time it's misdiagnosed as bronchitis or something of the like. Since we no longer have the lifetime immunity that our ancestors fought and died for, we also don't really know what it looks like.

And you know who is the most likely carrier for PC? Adults who work in a hospital setting. You know, the docs and nurses who spend all their time in the place where most babies are born. The same people who are handling the baby. Yet another reason to birth at home, or at least in a birthing center.

[caned & able]

To the OP:

Do you keep your child away from OB's? Because according to the ACOG publication, most, nearly 80% of all OB/GYN's are not up to date on their MMR boosters. It has been this way for decades.

[carriebft]

what MMR boosters? I have seen a lot of talk about MMR boosters recently, but there are none...

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by carriebft

what MMR boosters? I have seen a lot of talk about MMR boosters recently, but there are none...

MMR boosters are only rec. for people who are in certain high risk groups who have not had 2 doses previously...at least that is what I gathered from reading this.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/wk/mm5753-Immunization.pdf

[Noelle C.]

Originally Posted by xmasbaby7

This is, to me, the sad public health failure of vaccines for things like pox, measles, mumps, and rubella, which would still be circulating as minor childhood illnesses with rare complications were we to have never created a vaccine for them.

Correct. Right now we're seeing "super-bug" versions of bacteria and such that used to be easy to handle. But the overuse of drugs to try to eliminate them in an attempt to eliminate having to deal with symptoms has resulted in strains that are resistant to all medication we have today. MSRA is an example. Once easy to handle with a couple days of no feeling well, the strains making up MSRA are now resistant to medicine and starting to kill.

Regarding "vulnerable" kids who can't be vaxed yet, it a correct point that most adults, even in those in the medical industry, have let their vaxes lapse with no concern. If doctors aren't worried enough to get their own boosters, despite it being their specific jobs to come into direct contact with sick people every day, then why do the rest of us really need to panic that the seemingly healthy kids in day care MIGHT have something?

[13Sandals]

Originally Posted by Marnica

MMR boosters are only rec. for people who are in certain high risk groups who have not had 2 doses previously...at least that is what I gathered from reading this.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/wk/mm5753-Immunization.pdf

this may be true, but my mainstay babysitter went to her 'yearly physical' and the doc asked if she were around kids much. She told him yes, she babysat a lot and he convinced her to take the MMR 'booster' because she was 28, her immunity had most likely waned and she should make sure she wasn't a danger to the kids. I couldn't believe she did it, as she knows we don't vax...

but from what I understand, its not a booster any more than the second MMR dose for kids is a booster. Its the same shot, first, second, third, etc.

op - regarding prevnar - some of the serotype replacement Deborah was talking about has led to an increase in MRSA in young children. In other words, knocking out those 7 strains of bacteria in Prevnar has allowed the strain 19A to gain ground and cause more infection - AND that particular strain is resistant to antibiotics. Again, its not only UNVAXED kids that can be a 'danger' - the child in daycare vaxed with Prevnar can be more of a danger to healthy kids than the unvaxed. Studies have shown they carry higher concentration of the bacteria not included in the vaccine. If docs explained this to parents - how many would take the vax?

[kriket]

Originally Posted by Noelle C.

Right now we're seeing "super-bug" versions of bacteria and such that used to be easy to handle. But the overuse of drugs to try to eliminate them in an attempt to eliminate having to deal with symptoms has resulted in strains that are resistant to all medication we have today.

this is such a double edged sword. We don't vax, and no matter how much I said that we didn't want to have the antibiotic IV during birth because of the over use, I was still pressured.