Dateline NBC interviewing Andrew Wakefield and talking about vaccine safety.. - Page 2

[KatWrangler]

Originally Posted by bubbles

Does anyone have any links to either the interview w/ Wakefield or the Today show portion? I thought I was dvr'ing the interview last night but it was just Dateline NBC. I can't find anything on the Today show or NBC sites except links to additional information.

Try this.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32598666/ns/dateline_nbc/

[bubbles]

Originally Posted by KatWrangler

Try this.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32598666/ns/dateline_nbc/

I found that one earlier but can't see where you can watch the actual interview. It seems to just have "web exclusive material." Am I missing sometihng? (Which I very well could be because I can miss the obvious sometimes).

[eireann]

yeah, thats all thats up for now. checked youtube, and no one has posted this episode.

[abc123xyz]

[QUOTE=momonthebeach;14309587]I wish they had brought up some other reasons why people choose to not vaccinate. While autism is definately a factor, I have many reasons that I do not vaccinate. /QUOTE]

I am with you on this. The whole time I was thinking and saying to my DH, "This isn't the only reason parents are opting out of this insane institution and pushing for safer alternatives." We don't do it based on religious reasons and I know that is standard across the board but really...aborted fetuses?? Don't think so! And the poison and toxins that are being shoved in children, we feel goes against our biblical principle to "honor the body as the temple of God." Aside from the fact that they are very un-safe. Tell a family of a vaccine injured child that the "benefits out-weigh the risk" and see what they say! They also didn't address the vaccine injury fund and the mass payouts each year to shut parents up. They didn't address anything other than thimerisol but what about aluminum, formaldehyde, chicken embryo, latex, etc... They didn't explain that we live in a medically advanced, sanitary advanced, hygenically advanced time now and there is really no good reason to keep adding and adding vaccines to the schedule. And why aren't adults beinf pushed for this agenda??? So much was left out in the name of arguing the side reasonably! It was just a biased report which I totally expected before I even DVR'd it. I just thought they would show that he is not the ONLY Dr. out there with this viewpoint. Even my child's ped. doesn't vax her children! Obviously she is on board and sees the danger! The AAP released statements on their position but they CONSTANTLY change their position day to day. They have people who get paid to change positions. I know autsim is very real and that is a great place to start in vax refusal but that's not the only qualm I have with it and I know that's not the only problem others have with it either!

[xmasbaby7]

What I couldn't help but focus on for this piece was that every freakin' ad in the NBC news segment leading into the Dateline special was for a pharma product. Every ad.

The Dateline ads were only about half pharma products.

I just couldn't help but compare this to the awesome 1978 piece on 60 Minutes when they go after the head of the CDC who led the 1976 swine flu vaccine drive. it is an AMAZING piece of journalism that you simply cannot see anymore. If you missed it, it is here:

www.dailymotion.com/swf/x9mh9f

When regulations were lifted in the 1990's to allow pharma companies to advertise to consumers, we lost objective coverage on pharma products. They bankroll our news now and network editors and producers are not able to produce unflattering stories.

Another piece of info I feel like I have read is that the NBC chairman has an autistic grandson and the family are huge donors for Austism Speaks and will not support any organziation that possibly links vaccines as the cause.

CBS in particular seems to handle al of this better, and Katie Couric has taken Guardisil head on I think. Anyone see it?

I also agree that in my fantasy, one of these segments would discuss the rise in parents who don't vaccinate and then choose one who has researched through fear and can intelligently speak to the unvaxed choice.

The actress who played Blossom was also on an independently produced segment for Yahoo this weekend that she said she is completely AP, does EC and doesn't vax, and the very mainstream reporter admitted that all of her reasons were very compelling.

[bbrandonsmom]

I missed it, so will keep checking dateline/yutube. But my aunt watched it and the points she got from it (she's pro vx) were-
-the dr said to vax your kids

-wakefield would have made a lot of $ if he'd have gotten the pharma companies to agree to only have single vax, not combo, since he was apparently creating a measles vax or something

-there was no link to autism

-when I asked her if they talked about other ingrediants/vaxs-she said no and didn't know about that other stuff, only the mercury

Different than what a non vaxing person pulls from the interview. Age of Autism has a breakdown of what points were missed or wrong.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by bbrandonsmom

I missed it, so will keep checking dateline/yutube. But my aunt watched it and the points she got from it (she's pro vx) were-
-the dr said to vax your kids

-wakefield would have made a lot of $ if he'd have gotten the pharma companies to agree to only have single vax, not combo, since he was apparently creating a measles vax or something

-there was no link to autism

-when I asked her if they talked about other ingrediants/vaxs-she said no and didn't know about that other stuff, only the mercury

Different than what a non vaxing person pulls from the interview. Age of Autism has a breakdown of what points were missed or wrong.

Ain't that the truth. Provax people automatically disregard anything that doesn't support their opinion in terms of this interview. Wakefield addresed the whole measles vaccine patent thing. It was not what they said it was (He had applied for a patent for a vaccine that would have been given AFTER someone was infected with measles already...kind of like a tetanus immunoglobulin vaccine) I guess your Aunt didn't pay attention to that point

[bbrandonsmom]

Nope, and neither did the rest of my fam. I think it was this interview that made my dh start questioning things, along w/ the swine flu. But my fam keeps calling me today asking if I saw it, the guy was wrong, we should vax etc. I feel like a broken record stating why we don't vax. This interview has made it super hard, they all think we're wrong now.

[graciesmom08]

I was a little disappointed with all the views focusing against Wakefield. I too would have also liked them to talk more about other vaccines, not just the mmr and autism.

[earthybee]

Here is a link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIP7w_Yoq_U

[medusaatemydog]

considering past shows highlighting anti vaxers.. we had a bit more going for us this time.. but it's amazes me how offit seems so nervous... he looks like a very guilty man... i have some other choice words but i'll bite my lip for now... biting it very very hard...!

[ema-adama]

Yes, I was surprised at how emotional Offit was. No wonder he doesn't want to discuss the issues publically with Wakefield.

[Gitti]

osh I really admire Dr. Wakefield. :

[Scattershoot]

The interviewer from the television show tried to look unbiased, but unfortunately he kept using the term "charlatan" a little too much to keep from exposing himself. Edward Bernays would have been proud.

The problem that won't go away is not Dr. Wakefield, who the media constantly tries to blame for all of this (it's called a diversionary tactic/red herring), as if he invented the anti-vaccination movement, it is the massive number of children who have been killed and maimed by vaccination. Dr. Wakefield is not the cause, he is the result. People have caught on. It's over for the medical establishment in regards to vaccination. They just don't know it yet.

The doctor with the glasses sure did seem upset. To be that upset, one would think he has some type of connection to the topic at hand.

[mkmoro311]

I thought Matt Laurer did a pretty good job with the interview!

[xmasbaby7]

Originally Posted by mkmoro311

I thought Matt Laurer did a pretty good job with the interview!

When he said, "I didn't know whether I would see a halo over your head or the devil's horns when I met you," I lost all respect for his intellect.

I grow tired of the need of painting everything in this issue so black and white.

Simple labels for simple minds.

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by Scattershoot

The problem that won't go away is not Dr. Wakefield, who the media constantly tries to blame for all of this (it's called a diversionary tactic/red herring), as if he invented the anti-vaccination movement, it is the massive number of children who have been killed and maimed by vaccination. Dr. Wakefield is not the cause, he is the result. People have caught on. It's over for the medical establishment in regards to vaccination. They just don't know it yet.

A really interesting book, if you have it in your library, is Bodily Matters, looking at the anti vaccination movement in the UK from over 100 years ago. Some things have changed, but a lot are eerily similar...... parents being branded as less than capable of understanding what is at stake and generally blathering fools who don't know what they are talking about.

People have been concerned about the practice of vaccination for more than 11 years.

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by xmasbaby7

When he said, "I didn't know whether I would see a halo over your head or the devil's horns when I met you," I lost all respect for his intellect.

I grow tired of the need of painting everything in this issue so black and white.

Simple labels for simple minds.

Agreed!

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by mkmoro311

I thought Matt Laurer did a pretty good job with the interview!

I would use the term slick instead, but he really wasn't even that slick. He tries to come across as a nice guy who cares, but he is extremely condescending to parents of vaccine-injured children. Talking about every major research paper refuting Dr. Wakefield since the Lancet article is disingenuous at best. He is either terribly misinformed (which I doubt) or intentionally misleading and either way he was heavily biased. I'd suggest that anyone who thinks the interviewer did a good job, unless of course it was a good job for the medical/pharmaceutical industry, go back and watch it again.

People like him want to sound like they are voices of reason trying to help the children and parents, but they are far from that.

[amnesiac]

Closing this thread since we've returned focus to specific people rather than the general topic after my previous reminder. Feel free to PM any questions.