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post #41 of 131
Thread Starter 
Thank you so much for that Emmeline II!I spoke to the lawyer at the dept of ed,and he said my next step should be to write a letter to the principal and get everything in writing.I'm going to write the letter this weekend and send it certified mail on Monday.Then we can take it from there.I am going to try to get in touch with the RI Education Commissioner and see what happens there as well.I'll post the letter after I write it to see what everyone thinks,I want to make sure I do it right.Thanks again!
post #42 of 131
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Originally Posted by muldey View Post
Thank you so much for that Emmeline II!I spoke to the lawyer at the dept of ed,and he said my next step should be to write a letter to the principal and get everything in writing.I'm going to write the letter this weekend and send it certified mail on Monday.Then we can take it from there.I am going to try to get in touch with the RI Education Commissioner and see what happens there as well.I'll post the letter after I write it to see what everyone thinks,I want to make sure I do it right.Thanks again!
I don't know what the lawyer suggested, but I'm thinking:

  1. This is the law, excerpted from the RI Department of Health blah, blah, blah.
  2. This is my exemption.
  3. I have completed these steps (1,2,3) in compliance with RI law X. If you have reason to believe otherwise, please explain in detail what part of law X I have overlooked.
post #43 of 131
Thread Starter 
I sent in the letter,to the principal,very close to what Emmeline II(thank you again!)had suggested I write.I only heard from them once,when the school nurse called me and said dd HAD to be vaxed.I refused to fight with her,just cut her off and said I needed a letter from them denying my exemption and why,so that I could fight it.She said she'd get it right out to me.Still nothing from the principal or superintendent.I hope they know they are wrong and are having a hard time with this.I'm going to go the board of education as soon as I get the denial letter.
post #44 of 131
You are an inspiration! Thank you for fighting for your daughter's safety and rights. I admire your courage and your perseverance.
post #45 of 131
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Originally Posted by muldey View Post
I sent in the letter,to the principal,very close to what Emmeline II(thank you again!)had suggested I write.I only heard from them once,when the school nurse called me and said dd HAD to be vaxed.I refused to fight with her,just cut her off and said I needed a letter from them denying my exemption and why,so that I could fight it.She said she'd get it right out to me.Still nothing from the principal or superintendent.
People just hate to put things in writing.
post #46 of 131
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You are an inspiration! Thank you for fighting for your daughter's safety and rights. I admire your courage and your perseverance.
Absolutely. You are doing great - don't let them bully you.
post #47 of 131
Good luck mama...I'm sending some of my "brass ball dust" your way...not that it sounds like you need it, you fierce mama you!! You are rockin' this..don't give up.

I'm not going to give advice because everyone else here is already giving you the best advice possible...listen to what's been said and keep up the good work.

BTW....what IS it with school nurses?? This is no the first time I've heard of an absolutely out of line school nurse...damn!
post #48 of 131
Thread Starter 
Thanks so much for the responses,you guys sure have made me feel better about this!Still haven't heard anything from the school.Did get the permission form for the h1n1 vax though.Of course my dc will not be going to school those days!
post #49 of 131
Do you know of any homeschoolers in RI? They usually have an abundance of resources on this type of issue....just a thought...
post #50 of 131
I just listened to the webinar someone posted and the Lawyer/Dr there suggests being specific about your personal religious or ethical opposition to vaccinations when you write your exemption letter. This is just to show you have specific ones, not to open up a theological/philosophical debate about whether it's good enough (precedent says they can't do that) or to hold you to belonging to an organized religion with tenets against vax (precedent says they can't do that either). But they can question to see if there's evidence you don't have religious reasons at all. He says if yours is a religion with sacred texts it might help to add in scripture in support of your reasons or giving you your reasons. It may be a good personal exercise in faith and self exploration to do it, and help you to feel more confident in your defense in all this. I did mine today and it's quite strengthening in many ways. I sense the reason you're so unsettled about their bs is that you aren't sure you have a valid religious reason. Search yourself, I'll bet you do.
post #51 of 131
I"m a school nurse and I would never tell someone their child "has" to be vaccinated. That's not my job! And furthermore, the child doesn't "have to be". I would never question a family's beliefs, when this situation arises here I just hand them the form they need to fill out for being an immunization objector.
post #52 of 131
Thread Starter 
I still haven't heard from the school.I'm going to send another letter next week if I don't hear something by then.It's been almost 2 weeks since the last letter.I'm terrified to go to a hearing on this.I'm trying to write out my beliefs,and it is so hard to put it into words.I know my beliefs are genuine and sincere,and that I have a right to this exemption,but writing it out is difficult.I'm just having a hard time today.I have so much other stuff going on,this is just adding so much stress on top of everything else.I can barely sleep.I wish the school would just make up their mind,give me something in writing.
post #53 of 131
Oh, you are a brave mama! Keep up the good work!

I take it as promising that you have not received anything from the school system in writing yet. I would not send a follow up letter, but wait for their response. I also would not do anything else until they put their claims in writing--Period. If they do not put anything in writing, their claims and accusations mean squat. Send your daughter to school and try to focus on other things.

You may find this resource useful: How To Legally Avoid Vaccinations--it's not very well organinized, but it is an invaluable resource. Pay specific attention to the part a little over 2/3 down the page for the steps they recommend when dealing with a school that does not accept your vax waiver.

Also check out Vaccine Liberation.
post #54 of 131
I have Dr. Eisenstein's book that has the biblical references. PM me and I will give you my phone number. No need for you to do so much work when it is already done.
post #55 of 131
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Originally Posted by evermore82 View Post
Oh, you are a brave mama! Keep up the good work!

I take it as promising that you have not received anything from the school system in writing yet. I would not send a follow up letter, but wait for their response. I also would not do anything else until they put their claims in writing--Period. If they do not put anything in writing, their claims and accusations mean squat. Send your daughter to school and try to focus on other things..
I think I'd take this approach as well.
post #56 of 131
I just wanted to say THANK YOU for not giving in on this fight! Good luck, I have no advice to offer. I know when my husband finishes his law degree, he is going to devote his life to chasing down those who violate these rights... and then head for the big pharma....
post #57 of 131
This is so frustrating to read and makes me very thankful for my conscientious exemptions (what you are calling philosophical). Fortunately we've had an very easy journey with our non-vaxing. I thought the daycare might turn us away, but they never even blinked, just asked for the exemption and signed him right up.
Stay strong mama. My thoughts are with you in this.
post #58 of 131
I haven't read this whole thread, so I am not sure if this is relevant or will help, but I thought I would post it in case it does help some. I thought this was very good.

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<Vaccination Affidavit Template For Everyone
« on: May 26, 2009, 10:46:32 PM »


I, like most of you probably reading this, am opposed to vaccinations. I have brought this letter to my college and it was honored without question. After that I received a job offer at a hospital, showed this letter in place of my vaccinations, and it was honored without question.

Everyone should have this affidavit. After showing it, the hospital where I now work treated me quite respectfully.

Please download the nice Word Document Template at:
http://infreedomscause.com/files/Ame...T_template.dot

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AFFIDAVIT

I, Your Full Name Here, state Citizen of New York, now make known to all courts, governments, and other parties that:

Being a person of Strong Christian Morals, it is against my Deep, Sincerely Held, Religious Convictions to accept the injection of any foreign substance into my Body or the Body of my Children. This includes, but is not limited to, any and all, Vaccinations, Shots, Tests for Diseases, Oral Vaccines, Epidermal Patches and in any other way that Live or Killed Bacterium, Viruses, Pathogens, Germs, or any other Microorganisms, may be introduced into or upon my body.

This written statement to exempt me from any immunizations, TB testing, and other shots/injections because I hold genuine and sincere personal religious beliefs which are inconsistent with these medical procedures & experimentation. The practice of vaccination and the injection of any foreign substance is contrary to my conscientiously held religious beliefs and practices, and violates the free exercise of my religious principles.

The Hepatitis-A vaccine containing MRC-5 is obtained from human babies that were electively aborted. WI-38 was created from the tissue of an aborted fetus and is used for the rubella portion of the MMR-II vaccine. RA 273 was created from the tissue of an aborted fetus, and is used for MMR-II vaccine. The Chickenpox (Varivax) vaccine contains MRC-5 and RA 273. A conflict arises because my religious convictions are predicated on the belief that all life is sacred. God's commandment "Thou Shall Not Kill" applies to the practice of abortion. The acceptance of these vaccines promote abortion and violates the Sixth Commandment of "Thou Shall Not Kill". The Hepatitis-B vaccine protects against a disease that is only transmitted through multiple sexual partners or street IV drug users and therefore usurps my parental authority to condemn such activity in my child. The acceptance of this vaccine promotes sexual promiscuity and immoral behavior in direct contradiction to the teachings of our faith.

I, Your Full Name Here am exercising my rights under the First Amendment of the US Constitution to receive Religious Exemption from Vaccination & testing.

*Applicable law has been interpreted to mean that a religious belief is subject to protection even though no religious group espouses such beliefs or the fact that the religious group to which the individual professes to belong may not advocate or require such belief. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as amended Nov. 1, 1980; Part 1605.1-Guidelines on Discrimination Because of Religion. *

The Lord Jesus Christ and Our Creator are the only source of protection of my body and that of my family that I can accept.

I affirm that vaccination & injections of any foreign substances and proteins conflict with my religious beliefs as stated above. Therefore, I would request that you accommodate my religious beliefs and practices by exempting me from any vaccination or injections of any kind.

Rest assured that my family and I do practice a form of immunization that keeps our immune systems strong and is in keeping with Biblical principles.>

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I suppose you would have to be a christian to use this for your religious waiver, but I did think it was worded well. I especially like the part that I starred...very informative!! We need to know our rights! )

Stacey
post #59 of 131
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info Stacey05.I still haven't heard from the school at all.I'm just letting it go.I'm hoping this is a good sign.I've stopped losing sleep over this finally.If it comes to a fight I'll deal with it.I think they just have no clue what to do with us .
post #60 of 131
Good for you!!! So many people would have backed down and complied with the school. I'm proud of you (and for all you wise women who helped her with this!)!!!!!
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