Raw Milk Alert

[PaulaJoAnne]

Can I encourage everyone to not mention the names of their raw milk dairies and co-ops, through whom they receive raw dairy?
These forums are public. They can be read by anyone.

Please protect our farmers by keeping things a little more cryptic.
Maybe ask general info for an area, and then discuss specifics in PMs.

The reason is, that a certain area is getting calls where the inquirers refuse to give names, just want more info on the "raw milk location". This is usually followed by a farm spy visit, and then a raid.

I myself have fielded calls of this nature, and refuse to give locations and such. Its just to risky.

I am not going to give anymore info then the above, but please do think about this, if you value your milk source.

[Mama~Love]

Yikes, I never thought about that. How creepy that people actually do that.

[PaulaJoAnne]

Originally Posted by Mama~Love

Yikes, I never thought about that. How creepy that people actually do that.

Its the FDA cronies that are doing this, just so you know

[greenmom4]

But can't they get the same info off of realmilk.com?

[athenalove46]

Originally Posted by greenmom4

But can't they get the same info off of realmilk.com?

: It sucks that this is the kind of world we live in.

[laohaire]

Raw milk is legal for human consumption in my state (though it may only be sold on site, and cannot be distributed), so I freely recommend my source. But definitely be certain of state laws before promoting your dairy by name. Some states only permit sale for pet use, etc.

[PaulaJoAnne]

Originally Posted by greenmom4

But can't they get the same info off of realmilk.com?

Yes, they can get info off of that site, but that is only a sampling of the raw dairies in the US.
They tend to work by making calls, and trying to get people to make "claims", and give out info that you cannot get off the website.

[PaulaJoAnne]

Originally Posted by laohaire

Raw milk is legal for human consumption in my state (though it may only be sold on site, and cannot be distributed), so I freely recommend my source. But definitely be certain of state laws before promoting your dairy by name. Some states only permit sale for pet use, etc.

Its legal here too, but just barely. We are under constant threat of losing the right.

[Mama~Love]

Originally Posted by PaulaJoAnne

Its the FDA cronies that are doing this, just so you know

You'd think they would be more concerned over other issues .

[FernG]

even in states where it's legal, farmers have had a lot of trouble. a common tactic has been for the undercover agent to beg for a product that the farmer isn't licensed to sell (e.g., farmer is changing locations and can't sell cheese from the new location yet, or farmer has eggs for personal use). When the farmer gives the agent products as a gift (perfectly legal), the agent turns the farmer in and an investigation is started. The farmer is guilty until proven innocent and cannot sell anything during the time of investigation. This puts the farmer out of business.

The Complete Patient blog has lots of info about farmers who have been persecuted even while following the laws of their state!

[PaulaJoAnne]

I know of a certain issue, where the push is to make sure the co-ops do not have access to the bulk tank, even though that is the way the milk is provided, because it is to easy to contaminate the milk!!!Picture this.......massive bulk tank....hose at the bottom of the tank, that works on gravity......a consumer is going to send one of those nasty bacterias that will "kill people" through that hose, up into the tank

[PaulaJoAnne]

Originally Posted by FernG

even in states where it's legal, farmers have had a lot of trouble. a common tactic has been for the undercover agent to beg for a product that the farmer isn't licensed to sell (e.g., farmer is changing locations and can't sell cheese from the new location yet, or farmer has eggs for personal use). When the farmer gives the agent products as a gift (perfectly legal), the agent turns the farmer in and an investigation is started. The farmer is guilty until proven innocent and cannot sell anything during the time of investigation. This puts the farmer out of business.

The Complete Patient blog has lots of info about farmers who have been persecuted even while following the laws of their state!

That is exactly what happened with a co-op in the east.
Harrased by someone they did not trust, telling them a wild story about a sick brother that needed eggs, and so they finally gave him eggs to get rid of him. The man purposfully dropped money in front of them and left in a hurry
Shortly after, they were raided and held at gunpoint (children and all).
They ripped apart their home, and even took all their personal freezer food, because they "might be selling it", not to mention all the perfectly legal co-op stuff, that had been pre ordered and paid for by members.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by greenmom4

But can't they get the same info off of realmilk.com?

For the states where raw milk isn't legal (except for pet consumption ) it's really a bad situation. Our sorta local Native Nutrition yahoo group (WAPF principles, but just local interested people involved) has very strict rules about not posting names of raw dairy providers. And you have to join the group in order to read the messages. You'd think raw milk and local eggs were the most dangerous things Americans have to worry about.

[laohaire]

Sigh.

I was thinking of moving to Canada, but now I think Tanzania might be better.

[PaulaJoAnne]

Originally Posted by laohaire

Sigh.

I was thinking of moving to Canada, but now I think Tanzania might be better.

Not a horrible idea!
DH and I are going "underground" in regards to a few things. Don't ask what though, LOL!
We are tired to being legislated to death over certain inaliable rights that our founding fathers gave us at the beginning.

Local and self sufficient, with direct sales is the only way to go.

[Mama~Love]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

For the states where raw milk isn't legal (except for pet consumption ) it's really a bad situation. Our sorta local Native Nutrition yahoo group (WAPF principles, but just local interested people involved) has very strict rules about not posting names of raw dairy providers. And you have to join the group in order to read the messages. You'd think raw milk and local eggs were the most dangerous things Americans have to worry about.

Wow, all over milk & eggs. What a sad, sad country we live in if people can't even drink fresh, raw milk as freely as they want.

[serenbat]

I understand that living in a state that it is illegal is one thing, but I live in a state that it is legal.

We used a local farmer for over a year (milk,cheese & meat) only to find out that the milk was RAW but that the cows were not feed an organic diet (sprayed grass) and the dairy keeps it a well guarded secret. They do tell you if you ask directly but they don't make it well known at all, they do a great job promoting them self as all natural and wonderful!
I'm glad we were told and have stopped using them all together. I feel in the long run it is far better to know all. I have no problem saying the dairy and had only wished someone had told us sooner. Secrets aren't always a good thing!

[~LadyBug~]

Oh man! I am calling today for raw milk through that website. I have never done this, so should I just keep mum about raw milk in general, like telling no on about it???

[Cloverhillmom]

I hope this wasn't because of my post! As I said, this is new to me but the coop has their own web site with info on it. I didn't give anything secret away. All that harrassment is horrible. Thanks for informing us as to what these farmers are up against.

[Koalamom]

Raw milk is legal here in VT from the direct farmer, but we had a really hard time in NY where the laws are very strict. Glad we moved here. I would not ever mind giving out my dairy source but only becase it is legal.