Can Vaccinated People Carry Polio?

[Surromommy]

I am just trying like heck to find research on this. Can those who are vaccinated against Polio become carriers? The reason I am asking is because while we live in the US, my mothers live in northern India where Polio is still prevalent. They have their vaccinations against it, but I can't find any information on whether or not they could be carriers. My daughter is unvaccinated and I would prefer her to stay that way if my parents don't pose a risk to her. Thoughts? Research? Thanks.

[medusaatemydog]

from what i have read, the vaccine campaign in india used the live oral vaccine... and that is what caused the worst of the polio outbreaks... because polio is passed on through feces mainly... and in places with sanitation issues this caused the spread of polio... they increased the amount of infection by mass use of live vaccine. of course they will deny much of it.. as vaccine believers do .. because who likes to admit when they are wrong.. especially with something like vaccination...

a live vaccine sheds.. and if they had recently gotten the vaccine they can shed it.. in africa they are having problems with a vaccine resistant strain of polio...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090814/..._polio_nigeria

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract

i have no respect for vaccines whatsoever, they are bad.. and will never be the livessaving miracle they want you to believe they are... they are profit makers.. that is all.. they destroy lives for profit

[Surromommy]

But is it possible, after vaccination, to be exposed and become a carrier of the vaccine? My parents are vaccinated. My daughter is not. My worry is them getting exposed in India and bringing it back here. IF the vaccine works and they are able to fight it off, would they still be carriers?

[PlayaMama]

i'm not sure but it would seem reasonable to me. i think the question would be to ask them if they've had any contact with anyone that was sick or if they've felt sick within the last month (i think it's one month that it sheds).

you may want to ask your doctor about it. is your ped selective vax friendly?

[daniandquin]

I dont' know if the current polio vax has changed in the recent years. But it's a well known fact that the only cases of Polio in the US in the last 30 years came from vaccine.

[carriebft]

The oral polio vaccine prevents transmission of polio, which is why it is preferred in areas that still have wild polio.

Shedding of the virus would not occur at your mother's age, as I assume she received the vaccine many years ago.

[caned & able]

The oral live polio virus is associated with all of the cases in North America since 1979.

Money Magazine, December 1996, discussed the case of Lenita Shaffer who got polio in 1986 from her daughter's diaper - she has been in a wheelchair since - I am sure she was vaccinated as a child. Also the former Lieutenant Governer of Virginia and Father-in-law of Jenna Bush has been in a wheel chair since 1973 because he got polio from his son's diaper, and I am sure he was vaccinated as a child also.

[medusaatemydog]

Considering that before the vaccine.. most people who got polio suffered a mild case of polio (it was no more noticable than the common cold and many people have had it and not realized they had polio).. less than 1% of those people suffered any paralytic effects and most of them recovered from that.. so fewer even suffered permanent damage as a result... and usually we see that in any of these diseases people who suffer most usually have underlying conditions that leave them vunerable to diseases like this... I would not worry too much about contracting polio unless there are sanitation issues or newly vaccinated or sick people you will be sharing or exposed to bodily fluids.... i would not let it ruin my vacation.. just be cautious... most of the fear is from 'hype' to make you fear everything and submit to mandatory medicine.. you are very unlikely to get or knowingly be exposed polio

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by carriebft

The oral polio vaccine prevents transmission of polio, which is why it is preferred in areas that still have wild polio.

Shedding of the virus would not occur at your mother's age, as I assume she received the vaccine many years ago.

NOT TRUE

those areas where there are outbreaks including the ones in north america are the same strain in the oral polio vaccine...

live oral polio is contagious.. spread through feces.... not through air or coughing..but through bodily fluids... from the 'Live vaccine" and there are people know to shed for a long time because the virus can live in the guts.. some people can be contagious longer than others and if you bothered to read the legitimate link i listed above you will see that...

depending on the sanitation of the area this woman is in if there is sewage running through the gutters of the streets and the population is recieving live oral polio .. you can get it... 'sanitation" ... this is why it spread in the streets of NYC and other cities during the 'polio vaccine' campaigns because they used the live oral polio and caused pandemics because early last century there was not the plumbing in our cities we have now.. the feces would run down the gutters of the streets.. children play in the city streets... etcetc there were public pools that did not use the disinfectant chorine or filters that public pools now utilize and that is another source that could spread this type of virus if not properly maintained.. people excrement in pools.. kids mostly.... in india the sanitation is not as modern in some parts and leave people exposed... is why you don't want human feces in river and water sources where people commonly bath

not only that but the live oral polio was given many many doses in india because it does not offer good immunity to polio... people were showing a weak immune responses and they campaign for more and more doses.. because the vaccine in fact works POORLY.. some people in india have been given nearly 10 doses of oral polio... a failure of a vaccine, that infacts infects more people with not only polio but other animal viruses as well .. infecting more people than it protects!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[carriebft]

Shedding of the vaccine virus and prevention of transmission through mucosal immunity are different things.

A person who receives the oral polio vaccine may shed the virus for a number of days to weeks in their stools. However, this shedding stops.

Prevention of transmission means that a person who receives the oral polio vaccine and then comes in contact with polio will not carry polio and pass it on.

You can read more about this here:

Like the injectable inactivated polio vaccine (IPV), OPV produces antibodies in the blood that will protect against myelitis by preventing the spread of poliovirus to the nervous system. But, superior to IPV, OPV also produces a local SIgA immune response in the intestinal mucosa—the primary site for poliovirus entry and multiplication. This intestinal immune response can rapidly stop person-to-person transmission of wild poliovirus, making mass campaigns with OPV a powerful strategy for the global eradication of polio.

http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v11...ll/nm1213.html

[carriebft]

Also, be aware that some parts of India have already switched over the IPV. You should inquire about the vaccination practices in her area if you are worried about coming in contact with a recently OPV vaccinated individual.

[ZoeyZoo]

If you were to vax your child for polio in the US they would use IPV (inactivated/killed polio) which doesn't prevent transmission. Many parts of India use OVP (live virus) which can prevent transmission but also sheds.

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by ZoeyZoo

If you were to vax your child for polio in the US they would use IPV (inactivated/killed polio) which doesn't prevent transmission. Many parts of India use OVP (live virus) which can prevent transmission but also sheds.

if it sheds, it doesn't prevent transmission... because it's not an airborne virus for one and if it's shedding it can be spread through feces.. no prevention there especially since the oral polio hasn't done much in india to stop the spread of polio.. it actually increased the spread of polio.. because many cases of polio were the vaccine strain.. the oral polio vaccine does not produce 100 % immunity.. it's much lower.. that is why they keep trying to give it to them.. and causing more virus in the pop. that people shed.. india has a sanitiation crisis in many places.. oral polio in india is more of an experiment because they are still using it after 10 doses to the point where neighbor yell out a warning for people to lock thier doors because of the teams that are coming in trying to revaccinate.. it has become more of an experiment than anything else.. it's not working well and if after 10 doses you are still having a problem with the effectiveness of a vaccine i would consider this a FAILURE

[carriebft]

You are just wrong, I am not sure how else to state this. The poster's mother was certainly not vaccinated with OPV within the last few months, so she will not shed. your so-called 'transmission through shedding' would not be an issue in someone who has not recently gotten the OPV.

On the other hand, the vaccine DOES prevent polio from multiplying in a vaccinated individual and then continuing on to another-- ie, transmission of polio.

The reason countries don't switch over to IPV until much later in the eradication process is because IPV cannot prevent transmission in the way that OPV can.

We also have quite a bit of evidence of how the OPV has helped India and how, when vaccination rates drop, that is when the outbreaks get worse. Not sure it would be helpful to try and argue that here though, but- OP- if you want it, I can provide.

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by carriebft

Shedding of the vaccine virus and prevention of transmission through mucosal immunity are different things.

A person who receives the oral polio vaccine may shed the virus for a number of days to weeks in their stools. However, this shedding stops.

Prevention of transmission means that a person who receives the oral polio vaccine and then comes in contact with polio will not carry polio and pass it on.

You can read more about this here:



http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v11...ll/nm1213.html

it's too bad the opv has crippled more people than the wild polio....this is a money oriented freak show that uses people who are ignorant to vaccine science and the experiments that many populations have been used for ... i believe that eventually just like you see with any over vaccinated pop. you will see a strain of polio that will make the one they have vaccinated for in the past look like an amusement park ride.... the fact that they are soo over the top vaccinated sets the stage for another mod med disaster.. polio was never so prevelant in the pop. before the OVP.. and even with the killed virus.. you still have strains that are surviving in the gut for longer periods of time and shedding .. you will see a mutation.. this is part of life and the so called artificial immunity will again prove worthless and toxic when all these injections and thier adjuvants have done thier damage and become worthless to the next generation who in some would have had the ability to adapt to thier environment with natural immunity...

vaccines should never be used to carelessly inject an entire population eliminating natural adaptions ... it is reckless and careless for them to be used in this fashion, but obscenely profitable... unless there are no other alternatives therapies like this should never be used on mass pops because there is always unforseen, untold consequence... especially since every single vaccine does damage to the body in some form or another... and never are they 100% safe or effective!!!!! artificial immunity never lasts.. and is not the answer to disease.. you cannot wipe out disease with an injection.. goes against all common logic.. they would have been better off with modern sanitation than a vaccine but they had a poor and unknowing pop to experiment on.. so instead of the healthier option... the more profitable choice was to vaccinate everyone wrecklessly.. because even though someone say free.. someone somewhere pays for these campaigns.. either us by offsetting costs or some other forgein aid program from a rich country that exploits thier taxpayers

[carriebft]

it's too bad the opv has crippled more people than the wild polio....this is a money oriented freak show that uses people who are ignorant to vaccine science and the experiments that many populations have been used for .

can you show some proof for that statement?

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by carriebft

You are just wrong, I am not sure how else to state this. The poster's mother was certainly not vaccinated with OPV within the last few months, so she will not shed. your so-called 'transmission through shedding' would not be an issue in someone who has not recently gotten the OPV.

On the other hand, the vaccine DOES prevent polio from multiplying in a vaccinated individual and then continuing on to another-- ie, transmission of polio.

The reason countries don't switch over to IPV until much later in the eradication process is because IPV cannot prevent transmission in the way that OPV can.

We also have quite a bit of evidence of how the OPV has helped India and how, when vaccination rates drop, that is when the outbreaks get worse. Not sure it would be helpful to try and argue that here though, but- OP- if you want it, I can provide.

first of all i was not implying the posters mother was vaccinated with OPV... but depending on the area she is in there may be a highly vaccinated population there.. and i have read countless articles and research that has shown evidence that the OPV campaign has actually increased the spread because the rates of infection spiked since those campaign began... but you can also attribute the fact that you are destroying the pop. ability to natural immunity and also depressing the immune system with a battery of vaccinations.. that will actually leave a person susceptable for a time following vaccination...OPV has been know to cause transmission... because it was a live virus.. that is why it was stopped and most cases of polio have been from the strain found in the OPV.. that has been documented in several places

[carriebft]

OK, if it is documented in many places, can you show me a document showing that most polio in India is OPV related? more than 50% of cases each year? I guess that would constitute most?


(on the other hand, everything I have read clearly shows that VDPV cases are no where near as high as the wild cases: http://www.npspindia.org/bulletin.pdf)

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by carriebft

can you show some proof for that statement?

i can, i have resources and references to that but i have to look it up to post.. and i will come back with it.. i cannot stay here all day doing this but i'm not the only person who is aware of this.. much research that does not promote compliance with this mandatory nightmare is not publicized by mainstream because if the truth be known the vaccine campaign would not the the monster it is now.. much of those links were lost on another comp so i will have to go digging for them..
But regardless there is no justification for what the polio vaccine campagne has done in india.. there is no justification for having mass pops submitting to mass injection through the course of a lifetime.. for most .. the truth of the matter is that polio is not deadly... it had spread through the pop for some time before the vaccine and was a mild disease to more than 99% of the people who contracted or carried it.... another case of screwing up 99% of a pop because of a few people who have underlying issues and are susceptable to it being dangerous

bbl

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by carriebft

OK, if it is documented in many places, can you show me a document showing that most polio in India is OPV related? more than 50% of cases each year? I guess that would constitute most?


(on the other hand, everything I have read clearly shows that VDPV cases are no where near as high as the wild cases: http://www.npspindia.org/bulletin.pdf)

your sources are probably funded by or associated with the pharmecutical companies that profit off of vaccine campaigns... or as much as in this country governmental officers that have ties to the industry.. is why real research on vaccines often get criminalized or criticised by anyone suggesting the other wise truth because the pharmaceutical industry is a self regulated nightmare riddled with conflict of interest, especially when the ceos of these companies keep government positions like revolving doors to achieve thier agenda... so real research never gets fair play and masses of people are manipulated and coerced into this campaign for medical compliance.

no matter what your research states.. the fact remains that vaccines are dangerous and the negative outcomes are mounting... i feel bad for the people who were coerced into complying with opv with several doses... it's an abuse of pharmaceutical and government GREED... i'm sure in india just as it is here.. politicians are rewarded for making these atrocities possible