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post #41 of 985
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Originally Posted by mtn.mama View Post
mamafish, I looked but it doesn't say. Its called Cabin Kitchen. I have their bread loaf pan and their pie pan... let me go check my giant muffin pan... yep, its CK too. I use all of those, plus an old skillet that is about 13-14 inches across, and a chicken skillet that is about 10 inches across and 4.5 inches deep with a flat 10 inch skillet that serves as a griddle or lid, and a big square griddle that is about 15 inches wide... also two approx 11 inch x 5 inch dutch ovens. What do I use everyday? The 13 inch skillet and the 10 inch griddle. And often the chicken skillet.
Cool. I think I want a griddle, a 10 inch skillet, a dutch oven (shares a lid with the skillet), and the pizza pan. DH thinks that's a lot of heavy weapons for our kitchen, LOL! The pizza pan and dutch oven are needed to replace things that are not good to use any more, and I can get the griddle free if I buy 4 things... I live such a simple life, I don't shop, but I so love kitchen stuff .

Unfortunately, I think CK is made in China now (maybe not yours, but someone on Amazon was complaining that their bread pan is made in China), so I think I will go with the Lodge stuff - I just can't deal with any more questionably leaching stuff in my kitchen...

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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
Deb, I hate my wok. I can't get it to season properly. I've tried I don't know how many times now, but it just sort of peels off. *sigh* I think it's jinxed.
Heck, I rust mine on a regular basis, they're pretty forgiving . But you should only cook in kitchen stuff you love, this allergen free cooking is tough enough without fighting jinxed cookware!

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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
I asked questions on the phone, got reasonable answers and made an appointment, then got the child patient information forms. Um, seriously, has anyone had medical history forms to fill out that _include_ the word chelation??? or detoxification? I thought this lady was a DO who did CST, and that's pretty much it. Might be an interesting appointment.
post #42 of 985
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Originally Posted by mamafish9 View Post
Heck, I rust mine on a regular basis, they're pretty forgiving . But you should only cook in kitchen stuff you love, this allergen free cooking is tough enough without fighting jinxed cookware!



I've heard one way to prevent rust is to put a dab of some kind of oil (like olive) on the pan after cleaning. So I rinse it out, put it on a hot burner (electric stove) and then swipe with olive oil before storage.

BTW, I have an enamel coated dutch oven and I really love that.
post #43 of 985
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post #44 of 985
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I've heard one way to prevent rust is to put a dab of some kind of oil (like olive) on the pan after cleaning. So I rinse it out, put it on a hot burner (electric stove) and then swipe with olive oil before storage.

BTW, I have an enamel coated dutch oven and I really love that.
Yeah, oiling works great if you don't get interupted by a LO and forget, LOL. And in the winter here in the PNW, it rusts in like 10 minutes, I swear.

I'm avoiding enamel because of leaching issues. I don't think it's a problem for most people, but DS has elevated levels of several things that were leaching from our dishware at REALLY low levels, and enamel has most of the same ingredients as pottery glazes. I'm trying to switch us out to the most safe possible stuff for things like dishes and cookware, beds and bedding, that we use every day, to limit his exposures at home - which hopefully will make him more able to handle other exposures he runs into in the real world.

After DD's hair test was totally normal, it really hit home for me that we don't really have much in the way of abnormal metals exposures - he just has real issues clearing them. And then I had a terrifying thought - my child is already autistic - what if we'd vaccinated him? Not that it was likely (I'm 3rd generation unvaxed), but it was scary to imagine.
post #45 of 985
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Originally Posted by mamafish9 View Post
Yeah, oiling works great if you don't get interupted by a LO and forget, LOL. And in the winter here in the PNW, it rusts in like 10 minutes, I swear.

I'm avoiding enamel because of leaching issues. I don't think it's a problem for most people, but DS has elevated levels of several things that were leaching from our dishware at REALLY low levels, and enamel has most of the same ingredients as pottery glazes. I'm trying to switch us out to the most safe possible stuff for things like dishes and cookware, beds and bedding, that we use every day, to limit his exposures at home - which hopefully will make him more able to handle other exposures he runs into in the real world.

After DD's hair test was totally normal, it really hit home for me that we don't really have much in the way of abnormal metals exposures - he just has real issues clearing them. And then I had a terrifying thought - my child is already autistic - what if we'd vaccinated him? Not that it was likely (I'm 3rd generation unvaxed), but it was scary to imagine.
There have been a bunch of discussions on my local WAPF list about pans and leaching, and they tend to like enameled cast iron and stainless (low nickel) the best. Cast iron can actually leach a lot of iron into your food, especially if you're cooking acidic things like tomato sauce. If you want to PM me your email, I can forward some of the conversations (or just give you the name of the group and you can join to read the archives...)

It seems like there's got to be something else going on with him, beyond genetics, that's making him detox so poorly - like genetics plus the wrong combo/order of toxic exposure? Something that dropped his zinc, which dropped metallothenin or whatever it is in the gut that's supposed to keep you from absorbing metals?
post #46 of 985
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Originally Posted by whoMe View Post
There have been a bunch of discussions on my local WAPF list about pans and leaching, and they tend to like enameled cast iron and stainless (low nickel) the best. Cast iron can actually leach a lot of iron into your food, especially if you're cooking acidic things like tomato sauce. If you want to PM me your email, I can forward some of the conversations (or just give you the name of the group and you can join to read the archives...)

It seems like there's got to be something else going on with him, beyond genetics, that's making him detox so poorly - like genetics plus the wrong combo/order of toxic exposure? Something that dropped his zinc, which dropped metallothenin or whatever it is in the gut that's supposed to keep you from absorbing metals?
We have low/no nickel stainless (yeah IKEA!). If anyone wants to test their own pots, cutlery, etc, you can use a magnet - if it sticks, your stainless has low/no metal. Cast iron leaches iron, but that doesn't concern me overly much. The problem with enamel is that like with stoneware glazes, acidic foods and heat over time start to wear away the surface. Very low levels, but like I said, our high end stoneware was a problem for DS. I suspect if the WAPF people saw a list of ingredients in commercial glazes/enamel, they'd be less thrilled. They're very stable, but slow cooking tomatoes in them is eventually going to cause leaching.

And yeah, I'm trying to figure out what happened to his detox. I suspect he is genetically susceptible, but he's detoxing better now with nutritional support (at least I assume that's why he's doing better with sals, which is the same pathway as the metals). My best guess is that he got low in zinc and mag, and that derailed a lot of other stuff that led to blocked detox pathways (digestion, gut health, availability of gluthianone, metallothione, etc). What I don't know is why he got low in zinc and mag - higher need for them, poor absorption, I was low, genetics... We have a family history of inflammation issues (RA, asthma and allergies) that makes me suspect a general tendency towards inflammation may eat zinc and mag faster than normal. Not sure, but I lean towards a pretty simple mineral deficiency explanation at the moment, since addressing that seems to be helping. I doubt he'll ever be a great detoxer, but I'm thinking he should be able to clear modest exposures, just like he can now handle most sals in moderation. We're just going to need to be vigilant for anything (exposure, sickness, eating habits) that tilt his system too much.
post #47 of 985
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Originally Posted by mamafish9 View Post
We have low/no nickel stainless (yeah IKEA!). If anyone wants to test their own pots, cutlery, etc, you can use a magnet - if it sticks, your stainless has low/no metal. Cast iron leaches iron, but that doesn't concern me overly much. The problem with enamel is that like with stoneware glazes, acidic foods and heat over time start to wear away the surface. Very low levels, but like I said, our high end stoneware was a problem for DS. I suspect if the WAPF people saw a list of ingredients in commercial glazes/enamel, they'd be less thrilled. They're very stable, but slow cooking tomatoes in them is eventually going to cause leaching.
Yeah. I swear there was a thread specifically about cooking tomatoes, but now I can't find it. The people here seem to be big fans of visions glass cookware, but it's kinda hard to find outside of thrift stores. I haven't done any of my own research...
post #48 of 985
Deep breath---de-lurking...

Hi all- after a couple of months of (mostly) lurking, I thought I'd get in on the chat thread early in the month. Not sure how well I can keep up, though

I'm Melanie, and am have two daughters with food sensitivities. Neela, my oldest is 3 1/2, and seems to have "outgrown" a lot of her earlier sensitivity. But we're once again figuring it out with the new baby, Nora, who is almost 5 months. With her I'm still journaling and trying new foods and trying to figure it all out, and all the while working on the healing/detox part of the puzzle.

And I finally convinced my husband that we could throw out our big scary non-stick frypan, so I'm also in the market for something new...
post #49 of 985
welcome, Melanie!

So I just went and magnet tested our stainless stuff, finally. We have one safe teeny tiny saucepan (for reheating 1-2 servings of leftovers) and one safe huge stockpot. And the rest aren't magnetic, so presumably they have a lot of nickel: med hand me down workhorse saucepan, cuisinart stockpot and skillet.

Our metals tests (hair and urine porphyrins) are presumably in the mail. I wish they'd get here!
post #50 of 985
I just sent off DD2's hair test yesterday (finally). It took about 3.5 weeks to get the results last time. I thought when I did mine it was faster than that.
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Welcome Mel, glad you decloaked .

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Originally Posted by whoMe View Post
Yeah. I swear there was a thread specifically about cooking tomatoes, but now I can't find it. The people here seem to be big fans of visions glass cookware, but it's kinda hard to find outside of thrift stores. I haven't done any of my own research...
I am an amateur potter, so the whole glazes thing pulled me in - I even called and talked to a potter who tests glaze stability and leaching, he writes books and teaches on it. He thinks it's criminal, for example, that so many commercial dishes don't pass the cutlery scratch test, especially after use for a while (where cutlery leaves a grey mark on your dish). That indicates the glaze is not smooth at the micro-level, which leads to abrasion (think very low level sanding over time). Which means you eat whatever is in the glaze. The dish marks from the cutlery also mean you're wearing material off your spoons and forks, and most of those are nickel containing stainless.

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Originally Posted by whoMe View Post
So I just went and magnet tested our stainless stuff, finally. We have one safe teeny tiny saucepan (for reheating 1-2 servings of leftovers) and one safe huge stockpot. And the rest aren't magnetic, so presumably they have a lot of nickel: med hand me down workhorse saucepan, cuisinart stockpot and skillet.

Our metals tests (hair and urine porphyrins) are presumably in the mail. I wish they'd get here!
So, I so am not trying to panic anyone on nickel. It's not nearly as toxic as most metals, I'm just looking to cut down daily exposures anywhere I can.

Yeah, if your stuff isn't magnetic, it has nickel. I don't worry about it for things like our Kleen Kanteens, but for pots that are heated and hold acidic foods, I wanted to get rid of any with nickel. Luckily for me, IKEA appears to not use stainless with nickel, and most of our pots are IKEA. Most of my thrift store stuff failed.

Are you still waiting for test kits? I got my porphyrins test kit from brainchild, so no idea how long that would take from France, but my hair test kit arrived about 3-4 days after I placed the order. I'd call them if you've waited longer than that.

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I just sent off DD2's hair test yesterday (finally). It took about 3.5 weeks to get the results last time. I thought when I did mine it was faster than that.
I got the results back online 7 days after I mailed off DD's hair sample. 3.5 weeks is crazy!!
post #52 of 985
Kind of funny that you should bring up nickel, Deb. I lived in Thompson, Manitoba for almost a decade. The main industry there is nickel mining and smelting. Before that I lived in Selkirk, Manitoba for another 8 years where the main industry is steel production. I was just wondering last night what kind of terrible things that did to my system.

And I have to tell you... You are aware that Rheumatoid arthritis is considered to be an autoimmune disorder, right? Not "just" inflammatory like the other forms of arthritis. This would increase your genetic requirement for selenium, vitamin C, zinc and b vitamins right off the bat.
post #53 of 985
I have a question. Sorry for popping back on the chat thread after not being around for so long (my brain can only really focus on one or two things well and this summer that didn't include health ). If I remember correctly, quite a few months ago, I thought there was talk about anger and specific nutrient deficiency. Does anyone know what typically is missing in people that are very quick to anger?
post #54 of 985
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Originally Posted by mamafish9 View Post
I got the results back online 7 days after I mailed off DD's hair sample. 3.5 weeks is crazy!!
I was checking online every day after a week!

And I re-read Calm's CSS thread and had a duh/brainstorm moment.
post #55 of 985
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Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders View Post
I have a question. Sorry for popping back on the chat thread after not being around for so long (my brain can only really focus on one or two things well and this summer that didn't include health ). If I remember correctly, quite a few months ago, I thought there was talk about anger and specific nutrient deficiency. Does anyone know what typically is missing in people that are very quick to anger?
I would start with adrenals (mainly b5/b6/mag/biotin) and then look at breakdown of epinephrine/norepinephrine, which is methyl groups (folate/b12).
post #56 of 985
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Welcome Melanie, good to have you!

Well, apparently this is our month for doctor's appointments. We've gone probably a year without any, and now, well. Met the DO who does osteopathic manipulation/CST/stuff like that, the one that asked about chelation and detoxification on her form. Nice lady, easy to talk to, and I think she knows what she's doing, so I think she's a keeper. The "uh oh" portion of the visit came when she was doing some regular doctor stuff (looking in ears, checking reflexes) and DD started asking, "Can you do that to me, too?" and so one of the things the doc did was listen to her heart. Um, she heard a murmur, it was difficult to hear, she said, she had to be in a specific place, but she heard it twice. Obviously recommended we go to our regular doc to follow-up, thought it may be a subtle valve issue (one of her kids has cardiac issues, I think she's more experienced than most DOs). Told me not to panic, I'm not, we haven't seen overt problems, but the prospect of any sort of heart issue, well, ugh.

I need to go check my stainless steel, it's low-end, betcha it's in the not-so-good category. ... well, about 50-50 in terms of magnetic, which is odd because I think most is the same manufacturer. I will think about this more later, at the moment I'm going to cover my ears.
post #57 of 985
Hair test was ordered monday, and showed up in the mail today. Mailing it out now! :

And we're inadvertently trialing dairy again... Dd got into dh's bulgarian feta, thinking it was halva (not that unreasonable, they look alike from the same store). She didn't like it though, so I don't know if any actually got swallowed. Should be interesting!
post #58 of 985
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
Kind of funny that you should bring up nickel, Deb. I lived in Thompson, Manitoba for almost a decade. The main industry there is nickel mining and smelting. Before that I lived in Selkirk, Manitoba for another 8 years where the main industry is steel production. I was just wondering last night what kind of terrible things that did to my system.

And I have to tell you... You are aware that Rheumatoid arthritis is considered to be an autoimmune disorder, right? Not "just" inflammatory like the other forms of arthritis. This would increase your genetic requirement for selenium, vitamin C, zinc and b vitamins right off the bat.
Eep, I've created nickel phobia . I don't know a lot about what it does, and smelting could involve a bunch of other blecky stuff - I just figure it's easy enough to avoid.

I tend to not think about RA too much, because I don't have it (but my three sibs do - that's why we're all non-vaxed). However, I speculate that DS has the same underlying autoimmune issues, they're just not expressing as RA for him. Meaning he blows through zinc faster than most people just because of that. I didn't know selenium was on that list though, so thanks, that's useful. I think I need to read more about nutritional issues and RA, I suspect that would get me pretty close to what DS' issues are. Thanks for handing me that thread to think about again.

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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
I need to go check my stainless steel, it's low-end, betcha it's in the not-so-good category. ... well, about 50-50 in terms of magnetic, which is odd because I think most is the same manufacturer. I will think about this more later, at the moment I'm going to cover my ears.
Sometimes cheap don't have nickel either (it costs money to add nickel), so I've found it to be somewhat random. And my cutlery set, the little forks are magnetic, the big ones aren't. I so hear you on ear covering, LOL!

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Originally Posted by whoMe View Post
Hair test was ordered monday, and showed up in the mail today. Mailing it out now! :

And we're inadvertently trialing dairy again... Dd got into dh's bulgarian feta, thinking it was halva (not that unreasonable, they look alike from the same store). She didn't like it though, so I don't know if any actually got swallowed. Should be interesting!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who ends up trialing things accidentally .
post #59 of 985
Thanks for the warm welcome.

I guess my mother-in-law has good taste in cookware, because the ancient hand-me-down pots that she gave my husband when he left home "pass". The rest, even the very high end saucepan all "failed" (though on many the bottoms are magnetic, but the cooking surface isn't). I might be taking a magnet on my next thrift store trip
post #60 of 985
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Originally Posted by mamafish9 View Post
I tend to not think about RA too much, because I don't have it (but my three sibs do - that's why we're all non-vaxed). However, I speculate that DS has the same underlying autoimmune issues, they're just not expressing as RA for him. Meaning he blows through zinc faster than most people just because of that. I didn't know selenium was on that list though, so thanks, that's useful. I think I need to read more about nutritional issues and RA, I suspect that would get me pretty close to what DS' issues are. Thanks for handing me that thread to think about again.
I'd start with sulfate/sulfoxidation - it's needed for connective tissue. I'm blanking on anything else, though. Fits in nicely with the sals, no?
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