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post #1 of 10
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Sorry if this should be two separate posts, but I'm looking for advice on making boundaries. I'll try to make it short and sweet.

We recently moved to be near our (mine and DH's) parents. We moved into a cul-de-sac with LOTS of neighbor kids.

With the neighbor kids, they seem to be largely unsupervised when outside (which is only a few hours toward the end of the day). I am always outside with DS because he does not remember rules well...and well, I think 2.5 is way too young to be outside alone. The next door neighbor kids are 4.5 and almost 3. Andrew loves them. I have never had neighbors with kids before, so I don't really know what the "rules" are. They will go into my house unattended, bring out our toys and destroy them, help themselves to our food, etc. I don't have a problem sharing, but I don't know them very well and would hate to give them something they are allergic to or something mom doesn't want them to have. I have had to lock our door and watch closely with our toys. Again, I don't mind sharing and they are sweet kids, just trying to figure out some ground rules here. Does anyone have any suggestions for me? Also, the 4.5 yo always wants to "discipline" my son (i.e., tell him he's not supposed to do things and then tries to enforce), which I'm not really sure how to handle.

We're also discovering that my MIL has some boundary issues that we weren't aware of. She lets Andrew touch anything and everything in her house, including fragile things and things that are heavy and could fall on him. She says that "he will do what I say because Nana gives him special treats". I don't really know what these special treats are, although I know they don't involve candy, but I don't really want him thinking that he listens because he gets "treats", yk? She also keeps saying she has "special rules" in her house, but again, has not really said what those are. I suppose I should add that she is bi-polar and has recently come down from a manic episode. She can agitate very easily, so we are not leaving her alone with the kids at all, and we are also walking on eggshells with her.

TIA.
post #2 of 10
On the child disciplining....I always say "you can let me be the mama and you guys just be friends/brother/sister".
post #3 of 10
You need to be the one announcing the boundaries for yourself and your home and the neighbor kids will follow your lead. A simple- "we're staying outside, or no one is allowed indoors" is fine. You don't have to justify and you don't have to feel bad, you also don't have to let the kids lead the charge.

Since you know they're likely to want food, perhaps you could buy snacks with the specific intent of sharing them outside. And if you don't feel comfortable, you can always say you need to ask your mom/dad first.

As for MIL, that's going to be tough. I'd let dh take the lead on "confronting" her, but I'd also make sure you pick your battles wisely.
post #4 of 10
No idea on the MIL, except to keep close supervision, and maybe tell her that you won't be responsible if DS breaks something precious/fragile.

We regularly have an extra 8 yr old, 2 5 yr olds, and a 3 yr old all over at the same time with my 3 yr old DD.

Our rule is "nobody goes in the house except DD to potty." I send neighbor kids home to potty or if they want snacks/drinks other than water before DD is hungry, really. I talked to the other moms, and they seemed okay with this. One of the kids just turned 3 and crosses the street by herself. The mom is okay with this, but that is NOT our rule for my 3 year old. It's tricky, being the parent who feels the need for more supervision.

Come up with some rote phrases: "Those aren't outside toys." "We're not going inside right now." "It's not snack time for (your kid's name) yet - you can go home and check if it's your snack time."

When you are serving your son a snack, I just bring enough for everyone. I talked to both the moms (no allergies). My thought is, if your kid's wandering about, and you don't want them to have a snack, you should be out there with them.

When I was a kid, my parents had a rule that you don't go into anyone else's house without coming home and checking with Mom/Dad. It made sense, that way they didn't have to knock on 3-5 neighbor's doors to find us, and we didn't end up in some crazy kook neighbor's house b/c he offered us cookies or something. Wish other people had that rule sometimes .

Good luck!
post #5 of 10
kids - kids all over the place are part of living in a cul-de-sac. its why a lot of people choos that sort of arrangement is so the kids can run around yet be seen from all the houses. there is little traffic etc.

discipline - "I am his mom and I say it is ok for him to do that here" also keep in mind that a 4 year old is still very much a baby. he is just trying to do what he thinks is right and help out. gentle reminders are all that is really needed.

in and out - I have days where I have to say no kids in the house. and we had toys we just didn't share (expensive, fragile, would suck if someone else broke it etc) I had no problem gently saying "no kids in the house today" or "thats the baby's toy. it is not for big kids" or "that needs to stay where it is. we aren't going to take a lot of toys out today." or "ok time for you to go home"

MIL......yeah, good luck with that. honestly so long as he is safe at her house I would not worry about crazy talk.
post #6 of 10
Figure out some rules you are comfortable with. And get to know the kids' parents. Our neighbor's kids don't come in our house. The boys all play together very well outside but after a few incidents, I've decided that if they are going to come over, they must stay outside.

MIL, well I wouldn't leave my kid with her alone. But I have no other advice. I'd probably be ok with the other rules at Grandma's, but I wouldn't leave my kid there.
post #7 of 10
Wow- your neighbor kids are LITTLE to be out all alone. We also live on a culdesac with tons of other kids. Our dd is 3.5, the current youngest of the pack, and I'm the mom who is the pickiest about supervision. The unspoken rule here is that everyone plays outside- with "outide toys" that are kept in the garages (most people leave their garage doors open when the kids are out, but I don't do that- we just pull out some toys if it looks like the kids are going to be in our yard.) We rarely share snacks, aside from occasional popsicles or smores if we have a neighborhood fire night. If anyone wanted to go in someone else's house, they would definitely need to ask their moms and the house mom-- but all of the kids here are old enough and receive enough guidance that they tend to be very polite like that. I kind of feel like, if the kids are too young to understand and follow such "rules", then they really are too young to be out without supervision.
post #8 of 10
: If I let my 3.5 year old out anywhere but our backyard without me child protection would take him away I'm sure.

When I was a kid we weren't allowed inside much of the time when friends were playing together, we just played up and down the block and in our backyards. When we were older it was up to us but if I let my friend in and that friend ran off without cleaning up, I had to do it myself...rather discouraged letting her in at all.
post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by JamieCatheryn View Post
: If I let my 3.5 year old out anywhere but our backyard without me child protection would take him away I'm sure.
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I know! I could never trust DS to stay out of the street, other people's houses and garages, or to even stay in the neighborhood for that matter. I really don't see how it's okay for these kids either, except that they do seem to stay out of the street. What especially worries me is that there is a very deep canal/irrigation ditch that runs behind all the houses and I have seen both kids climbing the fence (before telling them to get down, obviously) and there is a hole in one place big enough for a 2-4yo to slip under.

Everyone leaves their garages open. Our neighbor has weed killer and dangerous tools out where the kids can get them. You can bet I'm watching mine like a hawk.

I seem to remember always playing outside with friends when I was a kid too. I think just locking my door and reiterating the rules will solve the problem.
post #10 of 10
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Originally Posted by SweetPotato View Post
Wow- your neighbor kids are LITTLE to be out all alone.
Yeah, that. Way too little. When I see parents who don't give much supervision, I often want to secretly drop a copy of Gavin DeBecker's Protecting The Gift on their doorstep. Maybe their kids won't leave the yard but who's to say somebody won't come by and take their kid?
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