CDC wants to Universalize Circumcision

[rachel65655]

You can read the article here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/murphy-s/murphy-s12.1.html

I didn't want to start a debate, I just thought some might find it interesting.

[nummies]

We aren't allowed to talk about circumcision in the DDCs. But there is an ongoing thread about this in the Case Against Circumcision forum. Lots of great replys there and ways to get in contact with the CDC.

[rachel65655]

I didn't realize that...sorry. If it needs to be deleted, the mods will do so right?

[nummies]

Yep, no doubt it will be deleted soon. No need to be sorry. Just wanted to explain to you why your thread will be gone soon!

[Rhiannon Feimorgan]

I've moved this thread to The Case Against Circumcision forum as this is where we host threads on the topic of routine infant circumcision. If you have any questions about this guideline, please PM me, another mod or an admin.

[pdx.mothernurture]

This issue and the publicity surrounding it are making me sick to my stomach. :-(

[Blu Razzberri]

1 step forward; 100 steps back, right? Will this ever end?

[Noelle C.]

I'm not a violent person, but this crap has been making me want to hit these officials in the heads really hard with a giant clue-by-4. To prevent HIV transmission, how about promoting...CONDOMS. As a bonus, condoms also decrease unplanned pregnancies.

But oh no, condoms are against abstinence-only education in schools. It's like they're halfway acknowledging teens will have sex by saying "Let's circumcise to lower the chance of HIV" while ignoring the big picture, that there is a safer, easier, more reliable way to lessen transmission that also lessens so many other diseases as well as unplanned babies.

The CDC has no freaking common sense.

[PuppyFluffer]

At the risk of casting suspicion...there is little money to me made by the use of common sense. Circumcision on the other hand.....it's a long chain of money making....first there's the doctor who pockets the cash from the surgery, then there is the ped who sees the kid for meatal stenosis, who then refers the child to a ped urologist who does another surgery to open up his urethral opening, then there's the personal lubricant industry who manufacturers something to help restore some gliding action taken away with the foreskin, then there's the pharmaceutical industry that can prescribe Viagra when the man develops impotency (7 to 10 years earlier than the intact man). Wow, looks like a nice money stream to me.

I have said a similar thing about birth control. Kids are taught nothing about the actual human fertility cycle. It's quite possible for a woman to take control of her fertility by monitoring her body and being knowledgable about the biology of fertility...thus avoiding the need for "the pill" but there is no money in that. I think the majority of women have no idea that they can have the type of control that natural family planning can give them....without relying on the pharmaceutical industry. But, hey, their is no money in that path. (Please, let's not get into whether NFP is a good idea for various populations (young impulsive teens, etc...) I just want to use it as an example of why information doesn't get disseminated - there's no economic gain in doing so.)

[hakunangovi]

Very well $aid - It ha$ ab$olutely nothing to do with common $en$e or $cience.

[Fyrestorm]

Originally Posted by PuppyFluffer

At the risk of casting suspicion...there is little money to me made by the use of common sense. Circumcision on the other hand.....it's a long chain of money making....

You left out the big one...selling the foreskins to the cosmetic and medical industries...when all is said and done I think there was an actual number of $10000 value on 1 infant foreskin.

[PuppyFluffer]

Fyrestorm, thanks for filling in that gap! I suspect there are a few others I missed.

[Noelle C.]

Yup. I have no doubt that money's involved here. I thought it was a joke when I read that the CDC is considering recommending circ'ing to cut the risk of HIV transmission in the US. It's just...dammit, condoms! I can see the argument in countries where HIV/AIDS is rampat and condoms scarce (such as Africa) and every tiny bit that the rate is cut matters, but not in the US where HIV/AIDS is so rare and condoms are freely had at Planned Parenthood and available everywhere from grocery stores to bar/tavern bathrooms.

[Claire and Boys]

It makes no sense. That's because they just want to promote circumcision, rather than actually prevent disease. Anyone looking at it objectively with the pro circ prejudice would see it is completely asinine.

[feministmom]

This is so frustrating!!!! I just read a pretty good article in the NYTimes about the subject:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/we...abin.html?_r=1

I second what Noelle said about CONDOMS! Because in Africa, if we can't convince men to wear condoms, it will easier to get them to chop off part of their penises!!!! The article also said that the studies they did about HIV rates in Africa failed to take into account whether or not circumcision lowers women's rates of HIV.

I'm pregnant now and dreading having it out with some doc over getting circed. I find out in two weeks whether baby is a boy or a girl.