Should i continiue with vax?

[UmmAli]

My son is now 6 months old and has already had few shots: Hep B and tuberculosis at birth (we live in Europe) 2nd hep B at 1 month and 2xDTaP at 3 and 5 months. I was getting concerned about vaccines already before the birth of my son, but everyone was telling me its a must and if he doesn't get it he will be sick. Ever since i have had a very bad feeling about it and now seriously considering not continuing. At this point i am soooo sad that i let them vaccinate my son at the hospital.

After the DTaP shots my son had fever for 3 days and on the night of the shot he was crying very bad, like i have never seen him cry. He is usually very happy baby. And his leg was hurting him, he couldn't move it for 2 days. We just laid in bed 2 straight days. He was on his back and this leg(where the shot was) was starched out and toes curled in for 2 days. Every time someone or something touched against his leg he started crying. The day after the vax he only slept and eat.

The big problem is that we are living most of the time in my husbands home country Egypt. I think here is something like 96% vaccinated.

Can anyone tell me if my sons reaction was serious because my doctor thinks its normal. And would you vaccinate if you would live in country like Egypt?

I know its my decision but i am afraid to damage my son and i am also afraid to get sick.

[Cristiaz]

Well, you have to make this decision yourself but if you want an opinion from a mom who has not vaxed her DD (she's 3 now), I'd say stop.

First off, what doctors view as "normal" is not what the holistic community views as normal by any means. High fevers, not being able to walk, high pitched screaming??? That's insane if you ask me. Just what is the vaccine doing to a babies body that makes him scream like that? How is that normal?

Here in the States, most people I think still vax. My DD's recent preschool, she was the only one not vaxed. Her new school is a Waldorf and I think none of her classmates are vaxed. I don't know a lot of people in my immediate life who do not vax, most do. Whether or not a population is vaxed or not shouldn't make a difference. Vaxed populations still get measles outbreaks.

Instead of vaxing you could do everything possible to nuture his immune system. Is he and has he been breastfed? Feeding him whole organic foods, giving him cod liver oil and probiotics and NO SUGAR are all things that promote a healthy immune system. While DD's in school, I give her a powdered vit C in water along with a liquid D 3. I open up a capsule of S. Boullardi (the fighter bacteria in the gut) and put it in her applesauce. I sometimes use homeopathics when she's not feeling well. She hasn't really been sick at all since birth. She had pink eye last year which I treated with chamomile tea. She had a runny nose alot but it was always clear and runny noses are the immune system getting rid of whatever it is. She's had a few fevers, none really that high that ran there course in a day....

Do more research for yourself. Read about how the immune system works and you'll realize that vaccines actually force the immune system to attack itself which is why vaccines are blamed for certain auto immune diseases.

This is just my opinion. Please research and make the best decision you see fit for your baby.

[Yulia_R]

It's up to you. As far as our family, after 3+ years of research on the vaccines I deeply regret giving few my first child when he was a baby (before I started my research). Never again for our family.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by UmmAli

Can anyone tell me if my sons reaction was serious...

Yes, it was very serious and should be reported. It sounds to me like your son was going through encephalitis from the crying you describe. That is a form of brain damage and if your child had cried that way any other time, the doctor would have hospitalized him.

And would you vaccinate if you would live in country like Egypt?

Truthfully, there is NO place on earth I would vaccinate because I know that a natural, unaltered immune system is what offers health to a person.

Learn about sickness and how to treat it in a natural, kind way. You have to support his body and sickness and give him a chance to build his own immunity in order to avoid cancers and much worse. The only way that can be done is through getting infections naturally and fighting them off. That strengthens the immune system. Learn about nature and how our body is strong enough and contains all the right juices to heal itself. Learn to trust your child and that he knows what he is doing.

http://www.ivanfraser.com/articles/h...ccination.html

[UmmAli]

Yes, i am breastfeeding and only now started introducing solids.

But isn't his immune system already compromised due to all these vaccines he got?

Really i am so angry at myself that i let them vaccinate him at the hospital. I was so against it in my heart and even tried to suggest waiting but the doctor kept pushing.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by UmmAli

Really i am so angry at myself that i let them vaccinate him at the hospital. I was so against it in my heart and even tried to suggest waiting but the doctor kept pushing.

OK. you made a mistake. We all make mistakes. There is no way of going back and undoing vaccines. Now since you know better you will make better decisions.

My oldest dd vaccinated her child (my first grandson). She felt the same way you do now after she finally stumbled upon some information. Her response was to inform as many people as she could about the dangers of vaccine. As a result, none of my other kids vaccinated their children. We now have 3 more completely vax free grandchildren.

But isn't his immune system already compromised due to all these vaccines he got?

About his immune system being compromised - well yes. But again, he'll do what he can to build up his immunity. Give him a chance. Let him go through some infections without using medicine to take the fever down. Fevers are the best way for the body to build immunity and thus give him a strong immune system.

[UmmAli]

:angry

we spoke to the doctor today and he got really mad with me and said its mandatory to vaccinate in Egypt He said my son will die if i dont get vaccines. When i asked about aluminum in vaccines, he didnt KNOW what i was talking about.

Also said that we had reaction because the government is using live Polio vaccine and our doctor has DTaP(inactive)(not free) but his vaccine includes 2 other vaccines in one shot...5 vaccines in one time!!! I am devastated...

[ema-adama]

I too was told my son would die without the vaccine. It is worth unpacking just which kind of children die without vaccines.

If your doctor doesn't know there is aluinium in some shots, he obviously is not very knowledgable.

Take your time mama. Find out which diseases are being vaccinated for, find out what other ingredients are in the vaccines. Find out which children fall into what risk catergories for the diseases.

Mostly take your time. Try and get some clarity on the laws in Egypt. And don't let anyone bully you into making a decision.



ETA: I want to clarify, that it is worth unpacking what kind of children die from the diseases that are vaccinated for. A subtle, but important difference

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by UmmAli

we spoke to the doctor today and he got really mad with me and said its mandatory to vaccinate in Egypt He said my son will die if i dont get vaccines. When i asked about aluminum in vaccines, he didnt KNOW what i was talking about.

Also said that we had reaction because the government is using live Polio vaccine and our doctor has DTaP(inactive)(not free) but his vaccine includes 2 other vaccines in one shot...5 vaccines in one time!!! I am devastated...

When something has to be sold under so much stress and duress there is something wrong with that product. If vaccines were such a wonderful tool, everyone would get them willingly. That alone should make people think. Never make a decision based on fear or coercion.

[Yulia_R]

Originally Posted by UmmAli

we spoke to the doctor today and he got really mad with me and said its mandatory to vaccinate in Egypt He said my son will die if i dont get vaccines. When i asked about aluminum in vaccines, he didnt KNOW what i was talking about.

I do not think vaccines are mandatory anywhere (exept few very specific ones in a couple of african countries). Obviously this doctor never even bothered to read an insert.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by Yulia_R

Obviously this doctor never even bothered to read an insert.

Sounds like he is a good sales man though. Poor kids!

[Yulia_R]

Originally Posted by Gitti

Sounds like he is a good sales man though. Poor kids!

Not really, a good sales man knows his product. Obviously he does not.