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Opening a new thread for current discussion since the one started this summer is getting pretty full.

Please keep in mind the announcement on H1N1 threads:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ment.php?a=141
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Ok Thanks, glad to keep this topic going!
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Thanks for the new thread

I know this is a little old (April) but good info...from Dr. Jay Gordon

http://www.drjaygordon.com/developme...s/swineflu.asp
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I just came across new information:

Polysorbate 80 and Squalene have both been tested as possible abortion medication (sort of a day after shot).

The new swine flu vaccine contains both. Interesting!
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You know they make any respiratory flu so bad if you end getting it that you totally end up in panic mode & forgetting you proably had it in the past but in the past it was like Your sick , no big deal , stay home, drink fluids, drink some juice with vitamin c and you will be like yourself in a few days .

I was like that after I got diagnosed with influenza in march I think it was and for some reason my mind was on panic mode once i knew I had it because i heard about how bad & deadly it was .

Then it was just really annoying & painful but then after it was over I was like thinking I wonder if i had it before when I was younger . I remember plenty of times having sore throats , fever and chills but the sore throats were negative for strep but that time no one would swab for influenza.

No one really can remember how severe it was but then after talk of severness & having it make someone even more scared & actually start thinking what if I did take a vax would I be sick like that but that's how they try to get the Non-Vaxers to get the shot because they believe once they know the disease they think maybe they won't risk it again & arm up for a shot .

Also, like many people think well your nuts for researching this especially if you find negative aspects to the shots then you should stop reading that negative spot and I'm like what if I was going to have my son or me take a medicine or have a surgery . I would research the pros & cons before I consented . I also would see if I could find a safe alternative treatment that's a natural one before I even use medicine !
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Originally Posted by Gitti View Post
I just came across new information:

Polysorbate 80 and Squalene have both been tested as possible abortion medication (sort of a day after shot).

The new swine flu vaccine contains both. Interesting!

crazy. Especially with the push for pregnant women to get the vax in an effort to protect their baby.
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This is a post from the previous thread "Freaking out about swine flu vaccine, can anyone make me feel better?" that was closed due to being too long.

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Originally Posted by anewmama
"There are more and more reports of children getting the flu but with rather mild symptoms and then being dead within 24 hours. And perfectly healthy children at that."
I have not heard of this. Is this in the U.S.? What I've read is that so far there have been 40 or so deaths in kids since April and 2/3s of these had one or more underlying medical conditions.

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Originally Posted by anewmama
"I think it's time people stop saying this is no big deal and be open to the fact that this could really be a big deal. Not advocating a vaccine but definitely advocating an adjustment of perspective on this flu strain. Get your 3 months supply of food ready, have cash on hand, make plans to care for your child(ren) if you cannot make it to work, etc."
It could end up being a big deal as autumn comes but I think calling it one right now is a bit much. Around fifteen deaths in healthy kids, while tragic and concerning enough for me to keep an eye on, really isn't enough for me to be planning for the worst.

This is just my perspective.
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I really like the site below, it has a lot of good information on the pandemic H1N1 swine flu. It talks about symptoms, mortality, a whole section on vaccines including mercury, adjuvants, etc, a big section on public health laws including quarantine, etc, everyone should be familiar with it as a good start to learning more on this topic.


http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-dis...swine-flu.aspx


Here are a few clips from this site:

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Who Is More Likely To Get Swine Flu?

One third of adults over 60 years of age have been found to have protective antibodies to the H1N1 swine flu virus because they were exposed to H1N1 influenza viruses circulating in influenza epidemics in past decades.

The majority of lab confirmed cases of swine flu in all countries have been in adolescents and young adults under age 30.

Are Some People More Likely to Have Complications?

Reportedly, approximately half of the patients hospitalized in the U.S. and half of the fatal cases in Mexico were in people between the ages of 20 and 59. The majority of swine flu-related hospitalizations and deaths also occurred in people who were obese or suffering from chronic inflammatory diseases such as diabetes, heart disease, and asthma or were pregnant.
And be sure to read this article too (Swine Flu May Be Less Lethal Than Earlier Estimated, Study Says)

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The probability of dying from the pandemic flu strain may be 1 in 10,000 cases and possibly as low as 1 in 100,000, doctors at the University of Otago in Wellington found. They applied four methods to calculate the proportion of fatal cases, and compared the results with an earlier estimate based on data from Mexico of 4 in 1,000.

And for those worried about the possibility of mutation:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32643415...lth-swine_flu/

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Swine flu easily overtakes other strains
Finding means it's less likely to mix with other viruses and create superbug

WASHINGTON - Put swine flu in a room with other strains of influenza and it doesn't mix into a new superbug — it takes over, researchers reported Tuesday.

University of Maryland researchers deliberately co-infected ferrets to examine one of the worst fears about the new swine flu. But fortunately, the flu didn't mutate. The researchers carefully swabbed the ferrets' nasal cavities and found no evidence of gene-swapping.

Be sure to read the site, to have a good grasp on what is going on, and there are a lot of links to other sites here as well.


Pandemic H1N1 Swine Flu: What About You & Your Family?
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Originally Posted by Gitti View Post
I just came across new information:

Polysorbate 80 and Squalene have both been tested as possible abortion medication (sort of a day after shot).

The new swine flu vaccine contains both. Interesting!
can you show a link to this information? also, as of right now, there are 4 or so flu shots being made in the USA and none as of right now have squalene-- 1 will not have an adjuvant at all (live), 1, if they do an adjuvant, will be using aluminum, and the other two I am not sure of-- but again, as of right now none will need adjuvants.

I can find nothing on it's abortion inducing properties- can you link that?

I will look into the polysorbate if you can provide me with some information/link to where you found info on it being possible abortion medication and also show me where we can find it in the vaccine. I have not seen any ingredient lists or anything and I am not seeing it as being in the regular flu formulations so I would like to know where they got it as being in the h1n1 flu vaccine.
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subbing...
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I'm just paranoid about the live "flu mist" type vaccine for the swine flu. I originally thought it was going to be a "dead" virus for injection only but apparently not.. ugh..
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I just read that H1N1 is now being called influenza A(h1n1). Does anyone know the difference between influenza a and h1n1??? Please direct me to where I can find this out. I thought you only knew you had h1n1 if they actually tested it?? THese students at WSU might have h1n1, or flu a? Are they different/same...someone please help me!
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Originally Posted by Gitti View Post
I just came across new information:

Polysorbate 80 and Squalene have both been tested as possible abortion medication (sort of a day after shot).

The new swine flu vaccine contains both. Interesting!
yes, I would like to see the sources for this information as well. The CDC's site states that adjuvants that are not yet approved by the FDA (such as squalene) can only be used with a Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). A EUA requires that the secretary of heath declare a state of emergency... which to my understanding would happen if it really hit the fan.

By the time it really hits the fan, most pregnant women who wanted the vaccine would have had it already, you know?
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Originally Posted by MommyDOK View Post
I just read that H1N1 is now being called influenza A(h1n1). Does anyone know the difference between influenza a and h1n1??? Please direct me to where I can find this out. I thought you only knew you had h1n1 if they actually tested it?? THese students at WSU might have h1n1, or flu a? Are they different/same...someone please help me!
H1N1 is a type of influenza A virus. It is a new strain of H1N1, hence the 'novel' term they keep using. So there are A, B and C influenza, and then within the subcategory influenza A there are many strains denoted by H(number)N(number).

Within H1N1 there are many strains, of which the flu we are now facing is one.
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Originally Posted by carriebft View Post
H1N1 is a type of influenza A virus. It is a new strain of H1N1, hence the 'novel' term they keep using. So there are A, B and C influenza, and then within the subcategory influenza A there are many strains denoted by H(number)N(number).

Within H1N1 there are many strains, of which the flu we are now facing is one.
ok, thanks.

So there is a separate h1n1 vax and an influenza a shot (that is already available).

IS there a chance that these outbreaks are of influenza a and not h1n1?? I doubt they are going to start testing every student at wsu.
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Originally Posted by A&A View Post
I question this doctor's suggestion:

he writes, "It's not conventional to suggest astragalus, echinacea, elderberry and vitamin C. Adequate vitamin D levels are crucial, too."

Implying that elderberry and echinacea would be good things to take to prevent/or if one aquired h1n1. But I've read that these things can set the body off on a cytokine storm:

Eur Cytokine Netw. 2001 Apr-Jun;12(2):290-6.

The effect of Sambucol, a black elderberry-based, natural product, on the production of human cytokines: I. Inflammatory cytokines.Barak V, Halperin T, Kalickman I.

Immunology Laboratory for Tumor Diagnosis, Department of Oncology, Hadassah University Hospital, Jerusalem, Israel.

"... The present study aimed to assess the effect of Sambucol products on the healthy immune system - namely, its effect on cytokine production. The production of inflammatory cytokines was tested using blood - derived monocytes from 12 healthy human donors. Adherent monocytes were separated from PBL and incubated with different Sambucol preparations i.e., Sambucol Elderberry Extract, Sambucol Black Elderberry Syrup, Sambucol Immune System and Sambucol for Kids. Production of inflammatory cytokines (IL-1 beta, TNF-alpha, IL-6, IL-8) was significantly increased, mostly by the Sambucol Black Elderberry Extract (2-45 fold), as compared to LPS, a known monocyte activator (3.6-10.7 fold). The most striking increase was noted in TNF-alpha production (44.9 fold). We conclude from this study that, in addition to its antiviral properties, Sambucol Elderberry Extract and its formulations activate the healthy immune system by increasing inflammatory cytokine production...."
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Originally Posted by MommyDOK View Post
ok, thanks.

So there is a separate h1n1 vax and an influenza a shot (that is already available).

IS there a chance that these outbreaks are of influenza a and not h1n1?? I doubt they are going to start testing every student at wsu.
Since this is not the typical flu season in the northern hemisphere, I think if a patient shows up with the flu with the h1n1 symptoms (high fever, soar throat, lots of mucus, possible vomiting, etc.) at this point doctors are just assuming that it is H1N1.

The regular flu season starts around November, last year it peaked in February, and then disappears when it warms up... I is possible that it is another strain of flu, but not probable.
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Then I proably had that h1n1 like a year ago from May but it was considered a tummy bug for me & brendan. He had it for 3 days vomiting /diherea too (but not as bad as I did) and I had it for 5 days (fever,sore throat, fatigue. aches, vomiting and diherea so bad that my thyroid levels shot up to 250 because they weren't being dissolve properly . That was worse than the 'actual influenza I had in March . I could barely even move and my boy was already out of school from his 3 yr preschool because I couldn't at all imagine being sick like that and having to wait for the bus.
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Polysorbate 80 and Squalene have both been tested as possible abortion medication (sort of a day after shot).
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Originally Posted by carriebft View Post
can you show a link ...
oops, sorry. It was on a discussion show in Germany. Not very reliable, I know.

What I have found so far is that Polysorbate 80 is linked to infertility in mice. That is correct.

http://infertility.suite101.com/arti...es_infertility

http://www.thatsfit.com/2007/03/11/h...e-infertility/
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