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post #21 of 48
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In terms of a trumpet, I played trumpet when I was a kid and I used my uncle's trumpet - so it was already a generation old and it was fine. I think it would still be fine except my parents seem to have lost it. There are some pads on there that you might need to replace, but a brass instrument should be fine even if it's older. I'd take it to a music store or else to the band teacher to have them look it over.
That is really informative, thank you! We looked on youtube, and found a couple of "trumpet" videos.. some were like ads from music stores, but there was a guy that was talking about "tips and tricks" for the trumpet and he took a n old trumpet and replaced the mouthpiece (with some other brand i think), and put new valves on it and got a "warmer" sound.. so I guess there is a way to make old instruments sound great, too. I thought that was a pretty useful video, really.
post #22 of 48
We have been renting a trumpet for our son for the last year and the program at his school credits you if you want to buy an upgrades instrument at the end of the school year. It was pretty expensive to buy a trumpet, so we keep renting. If he is still into it next year we will decide what to do next.

My daughter wants to play clarinet and we have my husband's old clarinet, so that will be easy!
post #23 of 48
If the keys were sticky, you may just need to replace the pads and oil the valves. Those are both cheap fixes.
post #24 of 48
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We have been renting a trumpet for our son for the last year and the program at his school credits you if you want to buy an upgrades instrument at the end of the school year. It was pretty expensive to buy a trumpet, so we keep renting. If he is still into it next year we will decide what to do next.

My daughter wants to play clarinet and we have my husband's old clarinet, so that will be easy!
yep, that's the other thing.. this is my first 6th grader dealing with this.. but I have three other sons... do I buy an instrument that I hope will get "passed down" or is that too much of a far fetched dream?

I can't imagine having to buy three instruments in three years, but my youngest are 6,5,4 so that may end up being the case...

My stepson played violin for a VERY short time while he lived with me, but he was in a different school (and 10 years ago or so), and they just lent it to him, but since he never practiced, they asked for it back.. he had learning disabilities though, so I think the special ed teacher thought it was just as well he concentrate on his reading skills during that time frame since he was so not into playing/practicing his instrument.. but then, different kid.
post #25 of 48
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My sister did suggest this, but shipping to me is another $50 to get it here on time..

http://www.music123.com/Kohlert-410L...44193.Music123

But it is a nice plan B.
post #26 of 48
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If the keys were sticky, you may just need to replace the pads and oil the valves. Those are both cheap fixes.
I know we can fix those things, the paint peeling was a bit more disconcerting and the one dent in the bell..

we didn't really turn the guy down though. We said we wanted to look at one more tomorrow and then decide. I know he isn't "holding it" for us, but I did want to see what else there was first, too.
post #27 of 48
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I know we can fix those things, the paint peeling was a bit more disconcerting and the one dent in the bell..

we didn't really turn the guy down though. We said we wanted to look at one more tomorrow and then decide. I know he isn't "holding it" for us, but I did want to see what else there was first, too.
Oh, I totally don't blame you for seeing what else is out there. Just pointing out that if it's a good trumpet, then it might be a nice starter to see if he likes it. The dent is easy to get out of the bell, and the paint won't affect it's performance. When I was in band, there were several kids with peely paint brass
post #28 of 48
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Anyway, we went and looked at one tonight- the keys were a BIT sticky, but it had a decent sound- (the owner tried it out for us but it was his stepson's- he was clearly not a trumpet player either), the color was coming off everywhere though, and it had a few dents.. we are looking at another tomorrow which seems a lot newer.. so maybe it will be in better shape. Here's hoping!
The color rubbing off, isn't in and of itself a problem except cosmetically, but it tells you the the trumpet isn't brass. If it's cheap enough though...

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.. but I have three other sons... do I buy an instrument that I hope will get "passed down" or is that too much of a far fetched dream?
No, don't plan to pass it down. I wasn't going to bring up my own story, but my parent tried that with me.

My older sister started clarinet in 4th grade. She was insistent that she loved the clarinet. She idealized clarinet players. Yada, yada, yada. So, my parents sprung for a nice clarinet for her. By half way through 5th grade she was completely over the clarinet.

Along I came and I was interested in the oboe. Now the oboe is a very difficult instrument, and also not a cheap one, but I loved it. I loved every thing about it, is sorrowful sound, even the smell of the stuff you put on the reeds. They rented me an oboe, for about three months. Not to surprisingly at the end of three months I wasn't playing sonatas.

My parents convinced the teacher (who taught all the woodwinds) to switch me to the clarinet midyear, since it was easier. I missed my oboe. I hated my sisters old clarinet. Not to surprisingly I did not want to sign up for more clarinet lesson the next year, so I was blamed for not sticking to the clarinet.

So the next year, I decided to take up violin. My parents again insisted on renting, not buying. At least the violin was cheaper, and since it was easier, I managed to make satisfactory progress in the first three months, so they let me continue.

I played the violin for several years, actively participated in the school's orchestra, which included after school practice as well as school day lessons. My parents kept renting even once I was using an adult size violin. By high school, my parents could have bought me three cheap violins for what they paid in rental fees, but they refused to do that since thy still had that stupid clarinet that I had not stuck to.

By high school it was also obvious that I wasn't going to make it into Julliard no matter how many more years I put into it. So, even though I wanted to continue to play just for the joy of it, my violin was returned to the shop it was rented from, and I was not allowed to sign up for anymore lessons .

Maybe it's silly to blame the clarinet, but I always felt like if they didn't have that stupid clarinet sitting in the closet unused, they would have let me keep going with the oboe, or at least sprung for a violin.
post #29 of 48
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Maybe it's silly to blame the clarinet, but I always felt like if they didn't have that stupid clarinet sitting in the closet unused, they would have let me keep going with the oboe, or at least sprung for a violin.
Nah, it wasn't the clarinet's fault. It was your sister's... she totally messed up your life.

I have an older sister too.

Sidenote: I asked ds why he chose the trumpet.. ONE reason "the cello is too big and isn't allowed on the school bus." (He only OCCASIONALLY takes the bus to school.)

I think he likes the size of the trumpet, not dinky, but not huge or long (like a tuba or trombone). We listened to some videos playing on youtube of trumpet players, and I have to admit, I am starting to see the appeal...
post #30 of 48
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Sidenote: I asked ds why he chose the trumpet.. ONE reason "the cello is too big and isn't allowed on the school bus." (He only OCCASIONALLY takes the bus to school.)
That's such a funny coincidence, b/c one detail I had left out of my story (so it wasn't a ten page long in depth biography) was that the day I signed up for music lessons in the 5th grade, I originally wrote down that I wanted cello. My parents refused to even consider renting one though, so switched me to violin before I even got started.
post #31 of 48
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yep, that's the other thing.. this is my first 6th grader dealing with this.. but I have three other sons... do I buy an instrument that I hope will get "passed down" or is that too much of a far fetched dream?
I really think that every child who wants to play an instrument should get to pick their own. May be your other kids will be like mine and feel that a musical instrument would require too much effort on their part.

Prices for different types of instruments are very, very different. And having an instrument that fits a child's size is more of an issue with strings than with brass. When my girls were little, we went through several violins, I think we still have a few around her somewhere! I don't think kids outgrown their trumpets!

I played cornet and then french horn back in the 70s, and my parents REALLY shopped around. My first instrument came from a pawn shop. Buying used means that it will be worth about the same amount of money in couple of years that it is worth right now.

Trumpet is a VERY cool instrument.
post #32 of 48
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this is my first 6th grader dealing with this.. but I have three other sons... do I buy an instrument that I hope will get "passed down" or is that too much of a far fetched dream?
Here in Grade 5 the band teacher gets all the students to try out the instruments. Then they get to pick based on which ones they are able to use. My dd wasn't able to make sounds out of the clarinets or sax's. The kids can try any instrument they want. My dd got the trumpet, who knows what my other 2 will be using in 3 & 4 years when they get there. It may be the trumpet, it may be one of the sax's.

In her grade there are only 3 of them playing trumpet, alot of kids playing the clarinet, flute & alto sax.
post #33 of 48
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Here in Grade 5 the band teacher gets all the students to try out the instruments. Then they get to pick based on which ones they are able to use. My dd wasn't able to make sounds out of the clarinets or sax's. The kids can try any instrument they want. My dd got the trumpet, who knows what my other 2 will be using in 3 & 4 years when they get there. It may be the trumpet, it may be one of the sax's.

In her grade there are only 3 of them playing trumpet, alot of kids playing the clarinet, flute & alto sax.
Well we are going to the "open house" that one of the music stores is doing... ds will try out the trumpets there.. then we will go look at the other used one I found.. I figured we will have to get him some supplies no matter what instrument we get him- oils for example. His teacher sent home a list.

I attended a school that used to be run BIA then went to State ownership. The population obviously went WAY down in the turnover (like a third of the previous pop?) anyway, the school donated ALL of the instruments it had for the band that it could no longer support to the other high school in the area (different district). I remember being really upset about that. I mean, I am glad those kids got to enjoy the instruments that probably otherwise would have remained rotting in storage, but on the other hand we were losing a HUGE part of our tradition..no more even remote possibility of band for us. I imagine not all the instruments were in working order, some probably would have been just used for parts, but still, it was a LOT of instruments. I still wonder how in the world they got away with that. I think that if that had happened today the school would have been forced to auction them or sell them at surplus or something..
post #34 of 48
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UPDATE: We went to the open house- the musicians there helped him produce the proper sound. Then we went and looked at the other $100 trumpet we saw on craigslist.. It is much shinier and has no dents. It has a hard case. The lady said she bought in Pennsylvania for her son (now grown) used for $400 but I am not sure how accurate that is because we bought it and took it back to the music store. Anyway, that guy said it was made in Taiwan, but didn't recognize the manufacturer name.. so I don't know maybe the company is now defunct (Conservarte?). Regardless he said we did fine for a $100 horn just that the parts may be pricey because he would either have to find a fit from a different company or manufacture a part..

Anyway, the music store helped us out a lot, so we bought all his cleaners, oils, brushes, book and stand there.

SO GLAD we are done with this little adventure! (and ds seems REALLY happy with his trumpet!) :
post #35 of 48

Something that hasn't been mentioned

Large instruments are sometimes provided for free to students willing to play them. Tubas, baritones, sometimes french horns and oboes (since they are expensive to rent/purchase), base clarinets, larger saxs, cellos, etc. And don't forget percussion - nothing to buy except a practice pad, a small bell set maybe and sticks/mallets.

Don't be afraid to ask. You might be surprised that schools don't always offer this information

So far, my 4 oldest children have all played different instruments - my son the percussionist, my dd 17 plays baritone (for free), my dd 15 the flutist ($100 used flute - same flute since 5th grade) and my 8 year old plays violin, by far the most expensive, since they "grow" w/you child, she's on her 3rd violin already and we are just renting.

Good luck,
post #36 of 48
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clarinets are easy to pick up used for around $100 for a beginner model.


It is much cheaper to buy used than rent. Keep in mind though that if they stick with it, you will want to upgrade in 2 years.

Please let your child have this amazing opportunity and support them with whatever they want to do with it.

Being in a musical ensemble teaches tons of skills well beyond just how to play an instrument. Just do it for him! You will not regret it. I promise you.
Yep, my Dad got me a starter clarinet for about that much. And I used it all the way through. I eventually got a better mouthpiece, but the instrument itself was fine. Upgrading is a good idea if you have spare money, but it really isn't necessary as long as you get a good instrument to start. I'd recommend the OP ask a friend who plays the instrument, if at all possible, to help them purchase it.

Edit-ah you got a trumpet. That'll be fun for him, but not so much for you. Bwhahaha. I kid, kinda. Maybe you have a shed.
post #37 of 48
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Edit-ah you got a trumpet. That'll be fun for him, but not so much for you. Bwhahaha. I kid, kinda. Maybe you have a shed.
He's having fun with it. He was studying his book last night learning the keys. He sounds like a baby elephant.
post #38 of 48
Renting is the norm around here, but it's a rent-to-buy situation with most of the established companies. My dd's violin is about $40/month, and it's a reasonably good instrument. So far, we've paid in about $1200 and will be able to apply that to the purchase of an instrument that should take her much farther when we decide to do that.

We have an outstanding music program and learning to play the violin has been life changing for her.
post #39 of 48
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Large instruments are sometimes provided for free to students willing to play them. Tubas, baritones, sometimes french horns and oboes (since they are expensive to rent/purchase), base clarinets, larger saxs, cellos, etc. And don't forget percussion - nothing to buy except a practice pad, a small bell set maybe and sticks/mallets.

Don't be afraid to ask. You might be surprised that schools don't always offer this information

So far, my 4 oldest children have all played different instruments - my son the percussionist, my dd 17 plays baritone (for free), my dd 15 the flutist ($100 used flute - same flute since 5th grade) and my 8 year old plays violin, by far the most expensive, since they "grow" w/you child, she's on her 3rd violin already and we are just renting.

Good luck,
Just make sure you get the total story. In our district, you can't take those large instruments on the bus, so if your kid decides to play one of them, they either need to have one at home (and use the school's at school) or be driven to and from school every day they have band/orchestra. Needless to say, they have a very hard time getting parents to agree to have their kid take those particular instruments.
post #40 of 48
I'm so glad you found your son's instrument. I was going to suggest pawn shops. There is a huge number of instruments there here. I played clarinet and trumpet in school and my dd had to go and pick the viola. Your son may have good luck. I have had my trumpet (silver) for 30 years and it has never been in the shop.
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