The Cod Liver Oil Thread - Page 2

[mom61508]

Originally Posted by Metasequoia

We've discussed the ratio of A to D & according to the WAPF, 10:1, in favor if A, is ideal. There was concern that the new fermented CLO ratio was higher in D & lower in A therefore not providing the ideal 10:1 ratio.

In this letter, Sally Fallon says this about the ratio:



So that means that it's okay to take more D than a 10:1 ratio, right? I wonder when you cross the line of "too much" D in that ratio?

So is there still a concern that the fermented provides to much D?

Also from your post above that 1Tbsp is alot...I'm still nursing and I guess i figured since I usually don't consume enough A right now I would take a least 2tsp a day. Sometimes I'll just dump some on a tablespoon and swallow I'm not to concerned about it since I think I need it right now

[nataliachick7]

Originally Posted by mom61508

So is there still a concern that the fermented provides to much D?

There really is no such thing as too much D at these doses.
Dr mercola did a study that showed he didnt reach toxicity until he did 50,000 IU a day for 6-9 weeks.

[mom61508]

Originally Posted by nataliachick7

There really is no such thing as too much D at these doses.
Dr mercola did a study that showed he didnt reach toxicity until he did 50,000 IU a day for 6-9 weeks.

I'm talking ratio wise with Vit A not just D alone. Mestaquoia posted that there was a concern that the FCLO supplied to much D in ratio with A unless I misunderstood the post

[nataliachick7]

Originally Posted by mom61508

I'm talking ratio wise with Vit A not just D alone. Mestaquoia posted that there was a concern that the FCLO supplied to much D in ratio with A unless I misunderstood the post

No, i believe the concern was too much A in non fermented clo?. Natural A in fermented clo is not a concern....

[Metasequoia]

In the TF forum, we'd been discussing the fact that it appears that the new fermented CLO has a different ratio of A to D than the HVCLO did - more D than the recommended 10:1 ratio. Some of us have been taking additional D on top of CLO (HVCLO) & have been somewhat concerned that this would be too much D without more A.

In the letter to Wise Traditions that I linked to a few posts back, a reader had developed serious health problems from taking a large dose of D which drove her into vitamin A deficiency with severe health issues.

So I think one *can* take too much vitamin D if A isn't present in the diet in sufficient amounts & vice versa. Masterjohn's last 2 paragraphs in that article helped me to relax about it a bit though.

[linguistmama]

So if we are taking FCLO we probably wouldn't need any extra D? I see people supping D3, but don't know why.

[Metasequoia]

I supp because my D is low according to blood tests. I give the kids extra D because I don't think we can make enough from the sun alone & since the D in CLO wasn't enough for me, I wasn't sure it was enough for them. This is tricky because my body likely has issues that their bodies (hopefully) don't, but it's a situation where I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Raw liver is key to healing my adrenals anyway, so since I'm getting additional A that way, I'm not going to worry about taking additional D on top of the FCLO.

That's the best answer I have.

[mom61508]

Originally Posted by Metasequoia

I supp because my D is low according to blood tests. I give the kids extra D because I don't think we can make enough from the sun alone & since the D in CLO wasn't enough for me, I wasn't sure it was enough for them. This is tricky because my body likely has issues that their bodies (hopefully) don't, but it's a situation where I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Raw liver is key to healing my adrenals anyway, so since I'm getting additional A that way, I'm not going to worry about taking additional D on top of the FCLO.

That's the best answer I have.

Gotcha. I have not heard about raw liver being healing to the adrenals or maybe I have and don't recall. I don't sleep much
Is it because of the B vitamins? I would think taking freeze dried adrenals would be healing but never hear anything about it in the AF thread...hmmmm

[linguistmama]

Originally Posted by Metasequoia

I supp because my D is low according to blood tests. I give the kids extra D because I don't think we can make enough from the sun alone & since the D in CLO wasn't enough for me, I wasn't sure it was enough for them. This is tricky because my body likely has issues that their bodies (hopefully) don't, but it's a situation where I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Raw liver is key to healing my adrenals anyway, so since I'm getting additional A that way, I'm not going to worry about taking additional D on top of the FCLO.

That's the best answer I have.

Thanks! I'm thinking about eating liver as well so this makes sense.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by Metasequoia

In the TF forum, we'd been discussing the fact that it appears that the new fermented CLO has a different ratio of A to D than the HVCLO did - more D than the recommended 10:1 ratio. Some of us have been taking additional D on top of CLO (HVCLO) & have been somewhat concerned that this would be too much D without more A.

In the letter to Wise Traditions that I linked to a few posts back, a reader had developed serious health problems from taking a large dose of D which drove her into vitamin A deficiency with severe health issues.

So I think one *can* take too much vitamin D if A isn't present in the diet in sufficient amounts & vice versa. Masterjohn's last 2 paragraphs in that article helped me to relax about it a bit though.

I think the original advice about 10 : 1 was due to the fact that there was no CLO on the market with a lower ratio of A : D (more D, less A), and a lot of the brands that only had a tiny amount of D were the really processed, synthetic vitamin brands. I don't think WAPF actually says that dietary consumption of vitamin A and vitamin D need to be kept in a 10 : 1 ratio for overall health. I haven't seen a specific recommendation at all, and it probably varies depending on how much vitD people get from the sun and their initial starting level of D and their overall health.

FWIW, putting together the stuff from the vitamin D council and WAPF, I think a reasonable overall ratio would be 3:1 or 4:1 very roughly. We tried to get extra sun this summer, but I'm still supplementing us because I think we're starting out fairly deficient (plan to test this fall). But that's just my best guess, I think it'll be okay for my family,

[herbalshakti]

Great Thread. Really Helpful. I am just starting FCLO after CLO. When searching for correct dosage I did come across the guidelines posted earlier in this thread however, a piece about dosage was missing that I found to be helpful and a good place to start for those with concerns. It is part of the same article by Sally Fallon & Mary Enig on "Basics and Recommendations"

"Please note that the fermented cod liver oil contains many co-factors that may enhance the body's uptake and usage of vitamins A and D; in fact, many have reported results equivalent to those obtained from high-vitamin cod liver oil with half the recommended dose, that is ¼ teaspoon or 1.25 mL for children age 3 months to 12 years; ½ teaspoon or 5 capsules for children over 12 years and adults; and 1 teaspoon or 10 capsules for pregnant and nursing women"

For me this was helpful because I felt that my natural inclination was to dose up since I am bfeeding and not as regular about it, for now I will stick with the lower dosage 1tsp. vs. 2tsp and see how I feel.

[Metasequoia]

Originally Posted by herbalshakti

"Please note that the fermented cod liver oil contains many co-factors that may enhance the body's uptake and usage of vitamins A and D; in fact, many have reported results equivalent to those obtained from high-vitamin cod liver oil with half the recommended dose, that is ¼ teaspoon or 1.25 mL for children age 3 months to 12 years; ½ teaspoon or 5 capsules for children over 12 years and adults; and 1 teaspoon or 10 capsules for pregnant and nursing women"

I don't really notice a difference... I don't get the winter blues anymore ever since I began healing my adrenals, so I can't use that as a guideline. I've been taking 2.5ml & the kids have been taking 2ml. I'm not loving the syringe though because A.) sometimes it splatters back at me when I shoot it into their mouths & splatters my clothing (twice I've gotten it in my eye!) & B.) I feel like I waste the little bit left in the very tip of the syringe. I haven't tried pouring it on a tsp yet, but I think I will.

[pampered_mom]

Originally Posted by herbalshakti

"Please note that the fermented cod liver oil contains many co-factors that may enhance the body's uptake and usage of vitamins A and D; in fact, many have reported results equivalent to those obtained from high-vitamin cod liver oil with half the recommended dose, that is ¼ teaspoon or 1.25 mL for children age 3 months to 12 years; ½ teaspoon or 5 capsules for children over 12 years and adults; and 1 teaspoon or 10 capsules for pregnant and nursing women"

I'm really glad that I subscribed to this thread because my mom called me up today with questions related to this statement by the WAPF. She's trying to determine dosage for both her and my Dad in order to meet the recommendations of their ND with a better source of CLO than he recommends.

She's got the Blue Ice Royal Gel...according to GP's website it's got 60% of the DV of A and 150% of the DV of D. Using the conversion guide Dave gave that means that there's 3000 IU of A and 600 IU of D in 1/2 tsp. So...if on were to take the 1tsp recommended dosage on the WAPF website I get 6000 IU of A and 1200 IU of D. If I go by Dave's information then we're talking one would need somewhere around 1 3/4 tsp to get anywhere near the 9500/1950 the WAPF website mentions.

The information on the two websites doesn't really mesh. I'm assuming you'd go with GP's information, correct? Which would put dosage at 1 3/4 tsp for an adult, somewhere near 1T for a nursing/pregnant woman, and slightly more than 3/4 of a teaspoon for children. Does that makes sense?

[mom61508]

Originally Posted by pampered_mom

I'm really glad that I subscribed to this thread because my mom called me up today with questions related to this statement by the WAPF. She's trying to determine dosage for both her and my Dad in order to meet the recommendations of their ND with a better source of CLO than he recommends.

She's got the Blue Ice Royal Gel...according to GP's website it's got 60% of the DV of A and 150% of the DV of D. Using the conversion guide Dave gave that means that there's 3000 IU of A and 600 IU of D in 1/2 tsp. So...if on were to take the 1tsp recommended dosage on the WAPF website I get 6000 IU of A and 1200 IU of D. If I go by Dave's information then we're talking one would need somewhere around 1 3/4 tsp to get anywhere near the 9500/1950 the WAPF website mentions.

The information on the two websites doesn't really mesh. I'm assuming you'd go with GP's information, correct? Which would put dosage at 1 3/4 tsp for an adult, somewhere near 1T for a nursing/pregnant woman, and slightly more than 3/4 of a teaspoon for children. Does that makes sense?

good question bumping

[Metasequoia]

Hey - how much would you give a 4 month old who weighs about 15 lbs?

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by Metasequoia

Hey - how much would you give a 4 month old who weighs about 15 lbs?

Non breast-fed? Because I wouldn't give a breast-fed baby any directly. I would ensure the mama was taking an adequate amount.

[sprouthead]

does anyone have any thoughts on the clo/butter oil combo?

[chicaalegre]

I'm also curious about the clo/butter oil combo. I'm getting confused reading all these numbers and ratios and would like to know whether to take just the FCLO or the combo. I recently got my Vit D level checked and it's at 25--I'm 38 weeks pregnant so I wish I had tested it sooner. It seems like if this is what my levels are at the end of summer, they're bound to be lower in the winter time (I live in Michigan). Any input into what a mama who will soon be breastfeeding a newborn and is also nursing a 2.5 yr old should be taking would be appreciated.

[Metasequoia]

Originally Posted by uccomama

Non breast-fed? Because I wouldn't give a breast-fed baby any directly. I would ensure the mama was taking an adequate amount.

Exclusively breastfed. You think she's getting enough D through breastmilk?

Originally Posted by sprouthead

does anyone have any thoughts on the clo/butter oil combo?

We take K2 with our CLO...and we eat a lot of raw butter. That's my approach.

Originally Posted by chicaalegre

Any input into what a mama who will soon be breastfeeding a newborn and is also nursing a 2.5 yr old should be taking would be appreciated.

That's pretty low. I'm still bfing Ds & I'm taking 2.5 ml (but he also gets 1.5-2 ml. When I was tandem nursing baby Ds & Dd2, I took a tsp of HVCLO.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by Metasequoia

Exclusively breastfed. You think she's getting enough D through breastmilk?

That depends on the status of the mother pre conception, pre natally and now.