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Feeling desperate and out of control with 3 year old

post #1 of 14
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I'm 3 weeks postpartum, and I imagine that all of this is quite amplified by my postpartum hormones, as well as both DD and I adjusting to our newest addition and our new roles in the family. DD's behaviour feels out of control, and my reactions feel even more out of control. I want to be helping her feel secure and loved and important during this huge transition, and I'm doing an awful job.

I have been shocked by how quickly and intensely I want to hit DD in the last month or so. :cry: I'm in desperate need of simple consistent things to do (while also parenting a newborn) both to calm myself down and to address the behavior issues with DD when I find myself seeing red. This week I'll be home alone with both of my girls while DH is at work all day. I'm very worried about how this week will go.

Our two main issues right now are defiance/screaming "NO" and random constant misbehaviour anytime attention shifts away from her (especially if DH and I are talking to each other). These behaviours aren't brand new. She and I have had a rough summer.

Defiance - "DD, let's go upstairs and change your dirty diaper" or "It's time to put on your pajamas" or "It's time to leave" (somewhere else or the house), etc regularly result in DD screaming "NO!" and running away from me, giggling all the while. The giggling is really what results in me seeing red. She finds it especially amusing when I get angry, scream, or carry her and force her to get in the car seat, change her diaper, etc. I simply can NOT physically carry her and force her for all diaper changes, rides in the car, clothing changes, and so on. She also often responds this way when I ask her to stop doing something. We've been talking about being cooperative and helpful. We've been talking about doing things/making choices that make her feel good and that make Mommy and Daddy feel good. I have explained calmly why we need to change her diaper, get her ready for bed, put her down for a nap, etc MANY times. She is generally MUCH happier (and easier to get down for both naps and bedtime) when we're getting out of the house frequently, and I tend to be happier and calmer when I'm getting out regularly too. Just staying home does not sound like a good plan for either of us, but I don't know HOW I'm going to deal with it tomorrow if she refuses to leave her music class, or later in the week if she refuses to leave another activity.

Random attention seeking misbehavior - DD often does a whole list of misbehaviors back to back to back when DH and I are talking to each other or other times when she wants the attention to shift focus to her. If it's a minor infraction, I've tried ignoring her, but I find that if I ignore her the misbehaviors escalate from there - simple stuff working up to destruction, loud noises (throwing things, screaming at the top of her lungs, etc), and even hitting/kicking rather quickly. If I simply ask her to stop one thing, she starts on something else she isn't supposed to do and continues finding new infractions over and over and over again. Initially I can handle all of this very calmly and positively, but when she persists I have trouble staying calm, especially because it makes it hard to wrap up whatever we're talking about and give her the attention she wants.

I desperately need advice for making it through the next week or so. I'm also very opened to book suggestions - though I doubt I'll manage to acquire and read a book for awhile.
post #2 of 14
First of all, big, big hugs. I only have DD, almost 3, and she can be a challenge with that giggling and "isn't it hilarious when mama is pissed" sort of thing. What helps us is going back to the Playful Parenting book. I just love that book and *I* feel better when I use it, if nothing else. She often is just simply wanting to connect, or disconnect in a way that she can feel comfortable with. If I'm really mad (and I remember to do this), I'll cross my eyes and say, "I'm so mad I can't see straight!" and then pretend to run into something. Or, if we've had a rough bit together, to reconnect, I will wait until she touches me or whatever, and then exaggeratedly pretend like she's so strong she knocked me across the room. She laughs, I laugh, and we have started a game to get us back on the right track.

Now, that said, if you are slinging a newborn, you can't do this, but maybe this is just the sort of direction to try. Just a suggestion.

I also sometimes just have to totally step back and ask myself if MY plan for the day is just not the best thing for her. Maybe she just needs to veg out and not go anywhere. If we've been on the go too much, she just really resists going anywhere. I think she just gets to the point where she needs to have down time.

HTH, and thinking of you all.
post #3 of 14
((hugs))

Apparently a little secret no one tells you is that the 3's can be so much more challenging than the so called "terrible 2's" And here I was thinking we'd survived the worst of it! LOL

I can really relate to how you are feeling. I am pregnant and due in a couple weeks. I physically cannot make my son do much of anything. It is so hard to remain calm and collected when he is just so MUCH some days. Getting out of the house in the morning. Even just a walk around the block helps up both get a little energy out.

Honestly, the best I came up with was taking some time to read my Bible and pray each morning before he gets up. If you are not into that, maybe try to take 30 minutes to read, mediate, drink some tea or whatever before the kids get up. I really have been focusing on MY behavior and my own anger management. It has not helped DS's behavior one bit, but I am calmer and more centered throughout the day. I've accepted that my "attached" boy really couldn't care less about what I need to get done or gaining my approval. I just can't let his screaming unnerve me so much. There are certain behaviors that I cannot ignore... like if he is hurting me or throwing things. But if he is screaming that he wants milk in his cereal and then I give him milk and he screams that he wants it dry... Well I just have to tune it out to some extent. I'm working on choosing my battles for sure. Overall, I don't think he knows what he wants and he is just testing his boundries.

One thing that has helped us transition from one activity to the next is to offer something desirable to move on to rather than just ending the fun... For example, when you are done with music class maybe you can offer a treat/snack in the car. "Wasn't music class fun? Now it's time to have a treat in your carseat!" or "Lets go change your diaper and go read a book together." IDK, someone suggested that to me and it has worked well for some things.

Also, keeping some routine and predictablity in the day has helped him. Too bad it's such a struggle for me to be structured!
post #4 of 14
The PPs have some great suggestions.

For the attention seeking while you and your DP are talking: Is there any acceptable way for her to get your attention during these times? I recently gave DD1 the words "excuse me, Mama" and told her that if she used them I would give her my attention when I finished my sentance. She's been using them and has stopped the 'mamamamamamamamama" chorus that used to drive me batty!

We've also started tableing important conversations until after bedtime. Sometimes I have to jot down notes during the day so that I can remember what I wanted to talk to DH about! Stinks, but will have to do for now.

One thing that I have found myself doing quite by accident is chaning my speaking into singing when I start feeling frustrated. For example, if DD1 is delaying getting up into her carseat by playing with her toy on the car floor I might start getting frustrated and start saying 'GET IN YOUR CARSEAT!' angrily. But I've been catching myself midsentance and changing it into a silly little song. Same words but with a little syncopation. It catches her off guard and she tends to start to sing along. If nothing else, it breaks the tension for me.
post #5 of 14
hope you could still widen up your patience which i know is being tried at the moment. i know the situation you're in so i could feel with you and i hope you won't get into hitting your 3's w/c i know would only frustrate you all the more. since the baby is just weeks old i feel it doesn't need much attention since she'd likely milk and sleep all the while so why not spend the time consoling your 3's and ask her to be a big sister. i noticed that these 3's loves playing the role of a big sister and who knows you'd see a real difference in her. and once she starts acting as such you could always remind her acts as big sister whenever she has her tantrums. you'd notice the sudden change in her behavior once reminded. it's effective w/ my 2 turning 3.
post #6 of 14
only s: here, no suggestions. I myself am struggling not to feel like a terrible mommy, and not to think my 3 y.o is a total monster. Just this morning, she pushed her 6 month old brother onto the floor, facedown, and he ended up with a bloody, swollen lip.
I have had company over the past two weekends and I am horrified and deeply embarrased by her terrible behaviour. I know, the routine is off (we're also moving next week), and she wants my attention, but still, it is awful!
Screaming, yelling, hitting, throwing things all over the house, hurting the baby.....
I am at my complete wits end. I'm afraid she's going to start thinking of herself as "bad", and I am starting to think of her that way too.
I hope I get through this with my relationship with her intact.
I am just SO mad at her right now!!! and the way her brother is still looking at her with such admiration. Makes me want to cry!
Tell me it gets better!!
(I hope I didn't hijack your thread, I was just getting on to post my own, but yours seemed to fit what I wanted to talk about.)
post #7 of 14
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Defiance - "DD, let's go upstairs and change your dirty diaper"
Maybe it would help to keep the diapers in the main part of the house/living area to avoid this extra step of going upstairs?

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...let's go upstairs and change your dirty diaper" or "It's time to put on your pajamas" or "It's time to leave" (somewhere else or the house), etc regularly result in DD screaming "NO!" and running away from me, giggling all the while.
Maybe instead of first announcing whatever you are going to do, and then dealing with the running away and giggling, just pick her up and then take her to do those things without ever saying anything.

I've had to do that with one of mine because he would take off running. I resorted finally to picking him up, distracting him with hugs and kisses and small talk and tickles, and he was none the wiser when we ended up in the bedroom for a diaper change. He couldn't run at that point!
post #8 of 14
PP I just want to write and say this could be me! My Ds has just turned 3 y and I had a baby 2 wks ago.

I keep waiting for the exhaustion and hormones to back off a bit, yesterday and today are my first alone with both. Luckily DD seems to really adore DS and He is still gentle with her.

some of these suggestions sound great and the concerns are soooo familiar.

I'm just trying not to go straight into mean mommy mode right away and scraping the dregs for some creative inner mommy. Today was better than yesterday...

But my smart 3yo is going to give me a run for my money ...especially in the verbal dept.... and I worry DH is falling off the GD wagon regarding word choice/ coersion etc.
post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by Sancta View Post
Maybe instead of first announcing whatever you are going to do, and then dealing with the running away and giggling, just pick her up and then take her to do those things without ever saying anything.

I've had to do that with one of mine because he would take off running. I resorted finally to picking him up, distracting him with hugs and kisses and small talk and tickles, and he was none the wiser when we ended up in the bedroom for a diaper change. He couldn't run at that point!
I've do this (minus the distraction part) with DD from time to time when something needs to be done and I don't have time/patience/desire to explain/run after her/listen to whining. It works well and she almost always thinks it's fun as she try's to guess what we're going to do (tinkle, nap, bath, tidy, get dressed to go....).
post #10 of 14
i just wanted to let you know that after i had DS2 (when DS1 was 20 mo), i went through a rough period with my toddler as well. he actually did really well adjusting to having a sibling & there weren't any jealously issues happening or anything, but his usual rambunctiousness really pushed my buttons. i had a REALLY hard time keeping my cool with him sometimes. now that DS2 is 8mo now, i notice a *significant* difference in how i am able to cope with the ups & downs of my 2yo. i think postpardum hormones play a huge part. i didn't realize how much they were affecting the way i was interacting with my older son for those first few months until they finally passed! i feel like a curtain has lifted & i can go back to being the parent i want to be.

hopefully others have strategies that can be useful to you...i just wanted to share that bit of support & understanding!
post #11 of 14
I had a good conversation w/ dd the other day. Instead of my usual exasperated "WHY do you want to hurt me!!? I know you're a nice girl!! Why are you acting like this??", I told her
"I know why you're acting like this, it's because you're three years old, and a three year olds job is to be bad just to see what will happen. Do I still love you when you're mad?? (yes)
then she said
"yeah, and when I'm bigger, I'm gonna be REALLY good!!"
post #12 of 14
((HUGS)) My boy is 3 years 2 months...I had the hardest time with my now 5 year old when he was 3 so I am hanging on for dear life praying the next 10 months goes fast. I am exhausted and at my wits end with him as well. Sorry I have no advice I think all we can do is co-miserate sometimes. Mine likes to break stuff, all kinds of stuff... the more valuable/expensive the better!! *sobs* He's lucky he's so sweet other times or he'd be living with grandma.

Good luck hun!
post #13 of 14
My first thought is to just mix things up a bit. Your dd is used to you saying, "It's time to...." And maybe she has just had enough of you telling her what time it is! So, rather than saying that, I would try, "Do you want the pink or the red pajamas today? Ok, red...can you put them on or would you like me to help you?" And for leaving the house..."DD, can you carry your cup/bag/book to the car for me?" My kids especially like to feel useful and responsible, so if I make it like I really need them to carry something, or say my hands are full ask them to open the door for me or even carry my keys to the car. Same with diapers...I would also suggest keeping dipes on both floors, so it's not such a big deal for either of you. And when my 2.5 yr old has a dirty diaper and doesn't want me to change him right now, I say ok, when your ready will you bring me the dipes and wipes? And I remind him that if he walks around with a poopy diaper he could get a sore bottom. I won't let it go too long, but he usually chooses to get out of the poop within 10 minutes (otherwise, intervene!)

These kids want choices and to feel strong and in control. I found when my ds1 was three I really underestimated what he was capable as far as being a useful helper. When I gave him some responsibilities, like helping set the table or tearing lettuce for salad, "dusting"...these little things went a long way to change his attitude.

It's a hard age, and even harder with a newborn. Wishing the best for you!!
post #14 of 14
I feel for you! I am 7 weeks pp and my DS just turned 3. His behaviour sounds very similar, plus he was hitting the baby for the first 2 weeks, which has eased off but now he just wants to hug him all the time but the hugs are hard head squeezes at times. I think I am over the worst but the last few days have had me seeing red with my boy! I got so angry the other day that the mood stayed with me ALL day! I felt anxious and stressed and I have a physical problem that is triggered by stress and it flared up instantly. I was looking for advice on how to stay calm but after reading your post I feel much better, just knowing that I am not alone! Since you are only 3 weeks pp you should really take it easy on yourself! That is my one peice of advice....Instead of struggling to get a diaper changed, try waiting until you can distract your child but reading a book (standing up) or watching something on tv (yes, I have given in to this). Instead of saying its time to leave, try to have an interesting toy to look at in the car, or a snack and say Lets go and have your grapes in the car on the way to Grandma's , and while you are talking, quickly shove the shoes on. These things usually help me, but I don't always have the energy for it! But really, do take it easy on yourself! This is a very difficult time for you. Ask for Help! Hire someone to clean your kitchen! Let your child watch something on TV while you nurse or while you get them dressed and cleaned. Cry your eyes out when you need to! Good luck!!
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