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post #21 of 46
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Originally Posted by pammysue View Post
I would keep my kids out at least the day of the vaxes. I would not take the chance my child might accidentally get the vax.

Since when did schools become medical providers? Did they send home any information on side effects, etc? Do you have to sign for your child to receive the shot? How are they handling informed consent?
I don't have any concerns about accidental vaxs. They aren't stupid, and if I felt they would screw up something like that I doubt I would trust them with my kid on a daily basis. It isn't the individual schools deciding to do this it is the state (probably with federal help. I don't know, don't really care. ) The school is doing what they are required to do. I like my school nurse well enough and know that her kids were/are selectively and/or delayed vax.

At this point we have to send in a statement of interest for either yes or no vax my kids for season flu. We will do the same for H1N1. Then there is another consent form for if you do want with a list of questions about the health of the recipient. You also need to sign that you got the vis (vaccine information sheet) which of course was not actually provided!

I think being around hundreds of recently misted kids is different than an adult in the workplace with several recently misted adults. Say 98% of the kids in the school are misted vs 45% in the workplace. And lets face it, kids are nasty in regards to personal hygiene. They aren't even given the chance to wash hands before lunch. A kid has to step away from the crowd to use the bathroom (maybe get a reprimand for not going when they were supposed to?) and wash before lunch or snack.

Ok -off my rambling soapbox!!!
post #22 of 46
I would keep him home and avoid him being vaxed. It can happen by mistake regardless of your wishes. Unless they assure you 100% he won't be vaxed.
post #23 of 46
I am definitely going to be in the minority here... And while I delay and refuse certain vax's including the flu shot, my toddler and myself will be receiving flumist. After researching extensively, for me the benefits outweighted the minor risks. Since it is a weakened strain of the live virus there are no preservatives. Additionally I feel that immunity to various different strains of the flu will provide further protection to our family in the event of an epidemic/pandemic of a mutated form of a flu virus. There is very little chance that DD or myself will get the flu from the mist and if we do... Well then we do... I still feel like for us there is some value in gaining this immunity. -/
post #24 of 46
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Originally Posted by mumm View Post
I figure even a healthy kid who is stuck in a petri dish for 9 hours with hundreds of kids who have just recieved the mist will end up getting the flu. And then bring it home to the rest of the family. Ugh... I am so frustrated with our schools right now. I can't figure out how to handle this for my two public school kids. Even DP's company has a rule that you can't work for 12 hours after getting the intranasal mist.
so it's OK to protect adults and not kids?

I'm keeping him home all week. It's kindergarten, I miss him, and he hasn't missed a day yet. I think he deserves a break. It'll be perfect timing. And then if they end up closing the school due to too many kids sick? he'll be safely at home.
post #25 of 46
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Originally Posted by jeliphish View Post
Since it is a weakened strain of the live virus there are no preservatives. -/
But it does contain MSG, and that scares me!
post #26 of 46
Our school is giving the flu vaccines in the school gym the same day as the Fall Festival. I feel like I may be overreacting, but I think I have to tell her we can't go to the festival this year. It's outdoors with lots of games -- so there will be lots of runny noses and sneezing, then handling the balls, bean bags, etc. Not sure I want her handling that stuff right after a kid who just got a FluMist vaccine and may have wiped their nose, etc.!
post #27 of 46
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Our school is giving the flu vaccines in the school gym the same day as the Fall Festival. I feel like I may be overreacting, but I think I have to tell her we can't go to the festival this year. It's outdoors with lots of games -- so there will be lots of runny noses and sneezing, then handling the balls, bean bags, etc. Not sure I want her handling that stuff right after a kid who just got a FluMist vaccine and may have wiped their nose, etc.!
Don't feel bad at all - we're veto-ing going Trick-or-treating this year due to the H1N1 mist and adults in the household with suppressed immune systems. In the long run it's better to miss a little fun and not get sick.
post #28 of 46
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Our school is giving the flu vaccines in the school gym the same day as the Fall Festival. I feel like I may be overreacting, but I think I have to tell her we can't go to the festival this year. It's outdoors with lots of games -- so there will be lots of runny noses and sneezing, then handling the balls, bean bags, etc. Not sure I want her handling that stuff right after a kid who just got a FluMist vaccine and may have wiped their nose, etc.!
My husband says that they schools/gov't is expecting a huge flu epidemic this year, something that will eventually close the schools down for a time until it blows over...my conspiracy theory mind says that they WANT a huge flu epidemic, otherwise why would they coincidentally keep doing vaxs on days when all the kids are there at school, introducing the virus into the school building, having a fall festival the same day as a vax??? It's like they are blatenly ignoring their own warnings and just handing vaxs out like candy...

DS hasn't missed a day of school yet...guess he'll get a well deserved week off next week! I miss him anyway, so oh well. I have a letter written for the principal of the school about the vax and not allowing the kids to wash their hands - the most preventative measure you can take against the flu - before lunch...but I'm not sure if I should even bother...he works for the gov't...kwim?

just seems as though the gov't knows what they are doing and they are trying to do something wrong...and scary...
post #29 of 46
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Originally Posted by jeliphish View Post
I am definitely going to be in the minority here... And while I delay and refuse certain vax's including the flu shot, my toddler and myself will be receiving flumist. After researching extensively, for me the benefits outweighted the minor risks. Since it is a weakened strain of the live virus there are no preservatives. Additionally I feel that immunity to various different strains of the flu will provide further protection to our family in the event of an epidemic/pandemic of a mutated form of a flu virus. There is very little chance that DD or myself will get the flu from the mist and if we do... Well then we do... I still feel like for us there is some value in gaining this immunity. -/
I urge you to read the Mercola articles. There is one there (it is target for people over 50) that is written by a neurologist and discusses the affects on the brain of live vaxes. There are side effects to live vaxes.
post #30 of 46
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my conspiracy theory mind says that they WANT a huge flu epidemic, otherwise why would they coincidentally keep doing vaxs on days when all the kids are there at school, introducing the virus into the school building, having a fall festival the same day as a vax??? It's like they are blatenly ignoring their own warnings and just handing vaxs out like candy...
Our school is giving the seasonal flu mist on a teachers' only day. Only the 4 youngest grades are getting it due to limited vaccine and it is on a friday (no other kids in the school except those getting it) and school doesn't resume until Tuesday because of Columbus Day. I think this is probably the best they could do and am happy with that. I'm sure a lot of kids will be away for the 4 day weekend and get it the following week during school hours but hopefully the majority will get it then.

I've heard a lot of "any parent who doesn't give their kid the h1n1 should be charges with neglect and abuse" sort of talk from parents around me. I feel like they hope my kid(s) will end up very ill just to prove they were right.
post #31 of 46
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I've heard a lot of "any parent who doesn't give their kid the h1n1 should be charges with neglect and abuse" sort of talk from parents around me. I feel like they hope my kid(s) will end up very ill just to prove they were right.
INSANE!!!

And so what if they get sick? Swine Flu is not as dangerous as they are making it out to be...The gov't knows how to use the fear factor to get us to do what they want, turn on each other, and take their influence to the extreme...

I just posted this to my local tribe and wonder if anyone else is doing/thinking the same...I want to inform my school principal that this is risky, but then again, he's gov't too...gov't schools dressed up in pretty colors and cartoon characters are still just that...gov't schools...
post #32 of 46
Our school sent out an email that they were working with the county health department to set up a flu clinic. I sent back an email telling him (super intendant) that if it was during school hours that I would keep my daughter out of school that day to avoid any confusion or accidents. His response was "Thanks for the vote of confidence." I sent another one back outlining my concerns and he sent another sarcastic email back stating how "of course" it would not be during school hours and "of course" they would only do it with parental consent. How the hell am I to know that it would "of course" be after school hours? He did not say that in the first global email.

That said, DH works for the US. District Court and they shot flu mist up everyones (everyone being those who wanted it) noses in the Jury Assembly Room last week and are going to offer it again next week. In the JURY ASSEMBLY ROOM! So this live virus is going to hang around there for weeks and get another shot to make sure it hangs around there long and people will be forced to go hang out there for who knows how long while they pick jurors? Bah.
post #33 of 46
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 Hi there!

 

Obviously you are new here. Let me farmiliarize you with the posting guidelines. I suggest you actually take a minute and read them (which you obviously haven't) because your post is inappropriate and offensive. And you CAN GET THE FLU from a person who has received flumist since it is a live vaccine and sheds. Even the package insert admits this. Admittedly the liklihood of this happening is small (2.4%), it is still possible.

 

you do realize you are responding to a 3 year old thread right?

post #34 of 46
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It is against the forum guidelines to name call (crazy) or suggest unvaccinated children are a danger to others (which they are not.  Sick people are a danger to other people, and sick people should stay home.)  Here are the forum guidelines:  http://www.mothering.com/community/a/vaccination-forum-guidelines

 

IIRC  96% of unvaxxed people do not get the flu each year.  98% of vaxxed people do not get the flu.  You are not likely to get the flu - period.  Flu vaccines are not overly effective.  I don't think unvaxxed kids should be kept out of school barring extreme circumstances.  The justification for keeping kids out over not having a flu shot is particularly weak.  The numbers in no way justify keeping an unvaxxed kid out of school.   

post #35 of 46

kiss.gif(Not blowing kisses, it's just the closest smilie I could find for an aluminium foil deflector beanie. Or maybe they're raspberries, but I guess that would be childish.)

 

Funny how our new friends are always assuming that we don't have "legitimate reasons such as egg allergy!" before telling us we must vaccinate to protect those people who can't.

 

Here is the ua btw...  http://www.mothering.com/community/a/user-agreement

post #36 of 46
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kiss.gif(Not blowing kisses, it's just the closest smilie I could find for an aluminium foil deflector beanie. Or maybe they're raspberries, but I guess that would be childish.)

 

Funny how our new friends are always assuming that we don't have "legitimate reasons such as egg allergy!" before telling us we must vaccinate to protect those people who can't.

 

Here is the ua btw...  http://www.mothering.com/community/a/user-agreement

 hilarious!!! it happens every now and then. Someone new to Mothering with no previous posts comes on to put us all in our place without taking the time to read the user guidelines. nono.gif 

post #37 of 46

It seems for the last twenty years now, EVERY year  'they ' say the flu season is going to the worst yet.....flu season comes and goes, and then we hear, 'oh, it wasn't nearly as bad as predicted"...EVERY year the same story.   Every year the same push for flu shots, altho i think this year is the biggest push yet i've seen around....sign are everywhere in just about every store you go and promoting free this or that with a flu shot!!!!!  What a way to upsell a medicine that has known dangers to some people. 

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Our school is giving the flu vaccines in the school gym the same day as the Fall Festival. I feel like I may be overreacting, but I think I have to tell her we can't go to the festival this year. It's outdoors with lots of games -- so there will be lots of runny noses and sneezing, then handling the balls, bean bags, etc. Not sure I want her handling that stuff right after a kid who just got a FluMist vaccine and may have wiped their nose, etc.!
My husband says that they schools/gov't is expecting a huge flu epidemic this year, something that will eventually close the schools down for a time until it blows over...my conspiracy theory mind says that they WANT a huge flu epidemic, otherwise why would they coincidentally keep doing vaxs on days when all the kids are there at school, introducing the virus into the school building, having a fall festival the same day as a vax??? It's like they are blatenly ignoring their own warnings and just handing vaxs out like candy...

DS hasn't missed a day of school yet...guess he'll get a well deserved week off next week! I miss him anyway, so oh well. I have a letter written for the principal of the school about the vax and not allowing the kids to wash their hands - the most preventative measure you can take against the flu - before lunch...but I'm not sure if I should even bother...he works for the gov't...kwim?

just seems as though the gov't knows what they are doing and they are trying to do something wrong...and scary...
post #38 of 46

Has it been like that Emmy? Because when I still lived in Europe nobody talked about flu season. I left in 2006. Flu shots were something for immunocompromised people.... Flu was just something you might catch and get over, end of story... No heavy marketing and fear-mongering like here.

post #39 of 46

There's not a major panic about flu in the UK either. Flu shots are available for those with underlying health risks and health care professionals, and then later in the year if you're healthy you can get one at a cost if you want. 

 

There's a plan in the UK to give flumist to all children (2-17) starting in 2014 to reduce the amount of the full strength virus circulating and hopefully reduce mortality from flu among the elderly. That idea seems to be based on a Cochrane Collaboration report showing flumist is the most effective at reducing flu in children.  

post #40 of 46

I don't know of a single store with a pharmacy here that does not sell the flu vax and often offers lots of coupons/free stuff to go along with it. I don't watch the news but still manage to hear their stories every year while in mil's house or somewhere else with a tv.

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