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I am really nervous about not vaccinating

post #1 of 25
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We have a 6 month old who has not been vaccinated. We have been planning on delaying or selecting but now I am not so sure. BUT I am SOO worried about being out and about--strangers touch her, we go to the mall, we go to the Ped, I want to get together with other moms and kids etc
I sort of feel damned if I do damned if I don't, actually it is terrified if I do terrified if I don't.


p.s what it really may boil down to is that I am afraid she will catch something deadly.
post #2 of 25
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p.s what it really may boil down to is that I am afraid she will catch something deadly.
Like what? Many of us here have researched each vaccine, each disease it is supposed to protect against, then weighed the odds of contracting that disease vs. the treatment. Is there a treatment for the disease? How likely is that treatment to work? Can you live (or you kid live) with the consequences if the treatment doesn't work?

It is a balancing act, but it is not something that should paralize you with fear. If you are concerned about one (or multiple) diseases and feel that the vaccine is effective, get that vaccine. It is not all or nothing. Many people like to wait till the nervous system is more able to handle intrusion, after age 2, or 3, or 5, depending on what you believe. After that magic age, some people go on to fully vaccinate.

I have a unvacc'ed 6 month old also, and a partly vacc'ed 2.5 y/o. She was vacc'ed before i researched and i kick myself for it every day because I had no idea. An informed decision is never the wrong decision. The fact that you are aware of the issues is a step better than I was with my first.
post #3 of 25
Anecdotal I know, but I have 5 totally unvaxxed kids, ages 9 to 9mo, and not one of them has ever had a VPD. We don't do daycare or school but we are generally in contact with hundreds of people a week from grocery shopping, trips to the library, park visits, church, eating out, etc...
post #4 of 25
I am sorry you are so fearful. Most of us go there a stage of total terror with our first kids, and I hope yours gets better soon.

The reality is that the only VDPs your babe will likely come into contact with are those in the MMR and chicken pox. These are not deadly in healthy children.

Pertussis is freaky in a young baby, but the vaccine offers little protection, hence its high number of reported cases.

If you child were to contract one of these diseases, remember that the treatment for them is far more certain than treating a vaccine reaction that doctors won't even admit or understand.
post #5 of 25
I hope I don't step on any toes by saying this, but.... If you're worried that your child isn't safe without vaccines, and you've done at least a fair amount of research on the vaccination situation, perhaps you should vaccinate? If you ultimately feel it's safer, than I guess I would say that's the thing you should do.
post #6 of 25
I fell the EXACT SAME way. My DD is 5mo and we will start vaxing her this month. She will get the DTaP and HIB, maybe Prevnar.

I have done ALL the research and weighed each vaccine against each disease and what it boils down to is that I can't not vaccinate. I just can't. I come here and read post after post about peoples kids being unvaxed and nothing bad ever happening, but someday it might. I couldn't deal with that. I am a worrier and although I worry about giving her the vaccines, I worry more about not doing it. I have a wonderful Naturopath on my side helping me through this and helping DD be as strong as possible and process the vaxes as best as possible.

My son is in school and brings all sort of things home. We also live in an area where our heard immunity is less than other areas of the country.

I can be confident in my decision because I am making it with the best intentions and her best interest in mind.

Each person and situation is different, it is really tough figuring all this out.
post #7 of 25
If you are nervous and afraid, you should do more research. to be comfortable with your decision while keeping abreast of new information. If you are uncomfortable, you have still not made your decision. You are unsure because you need to know more. My 1st daughter got the first shots and I know I cannot undo it, but now that I know what I know it will not happen again. My 2nd daughter has not received any vaccines. I have researched much scientific data, much from the CDC was what convinced me that the vaccines do not work, and that they cause the diseases they are supposed to protect against. I am also positive that the pharma companies use these as a first contact. to ensure that they will have customers for the future. I believe the shots cause many serious illnesses (diseases). I believe it is better in a room of 100 people that 2 people die than to have 90 be slightly to very seriously ill. However, I came to all these conclusions after much reading and studying of scientific data. I believe you must be comfortable with your decision. and if you are nervous, then you are not comfortable with not vaccinating. try reading a few books on the subject, written by doctors or scientists if you do not have the time or patience to research it yourself. watch the movie, "vaccine nation" http://video.google.com/videosearch?...en&emb=0&aq=f# ,
"evidence of harm" well i cant find a link for this one, but it was really good, though it was heartbreaking in the beginning



and even the short movie on youtube called "chemical dumbing down of america"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLYrSfnsqb0

and of course, you can read tons of sites and people that are pro vaccine. I read both and as I said earlier, it was by reading the pages upon pages in the CDC website that I made the decision that the vaccines are ineffective and actually cause the receivers to get sick and possibly serve as an incubator for mutations as well. As a pp said, you have to study each disease and make a decision. For me, I believe it is not deadly at all for a person to contract chicken pox or mumps or measles (I practice ecological childrearing). I now believe after study that if polio ever existed, it is dead now and most likely was not even a disease, but a side effect of the widespread use of DDT. Pertussis is not deadly to healthy people, and breastfeeding on demand infants that cosleep in my opinion. Tetanus is a highly unlikely thing to encounter and if you did, the vaccine is effective if administered after contact.

The only large scale vaccine safety tests performed were performed by the makers themselves, so to me, they have never been tested for safety since those people had an interest of profit. not to mention the studies I have read gave shots to both groups, the only difference being whether the virus was contained in one. it is the adjuvants and preservatives and perhaps something about the cell line that they use to grow it that makes people sick.

Again, everyone has to decide for themselves. However, I felt even more comfortable with my decision after I saw one of the above movies where it was revealed that the makers of these vaccines do not even give them to their own children. I recommend you keep researching. and remember that just because most of the world is living under a lie and an illusion given to them by money hungry individuals, you have a choice, because this is america. If you decide there is a shot you must get for your child, be sure they are completely healthy on the day of the shot. make sure it is new stock so it is mercury free, and ask for the aluminum free kind. get single dose shot and follow dr sears advice on administering.
post #8 of 25
I just forgot to add that in order for a decision to be made that you will live with whatever the outcome, it should not be a fear-based decision.

Take your time to research, research, research.


Once you no longer feel defensive or afraid of your choice, you are good to go.
post #9 of 25

pharma advertising

i would also like to add that i feel a lot of these fears are generated by advertisements that the pharma companies put out. i find it odd that there are advertisements. there is only one maker for a vaccine, so there is no competition. also, you wouldn't be able to decide even if there was a competitor, you just get what the doctor has (well unless you specifically are asking for the single dose shots) so why do they advertise? to create fear. the vaccine makers are a for profit company. they care about making money. as more and more people do the research themselves and see the science of vaccines is utterly flawed they see their profits drop. so they do a fear campaign. show you pictures of children that died because of a preventable disease they say. but what i beleive from my research is the only reason they 'caught' the disease is from the exposures of them and those around them to the dna of the disease in the shot. also, i believe the babies that get ill are bottle fed, sleeping in a crib, allowed to cry it out at night, in other words, not naturally raised. they have no reason to continue to live in their minds perhaps. all diseases are created by thought. it is hard to believe, but true. our whole lives is created by our thoughts about it. so if you are afraid, research more because acting out of fear feeds the fear machine. but ultimately if you believe a vaccine will protect your child from smtg, then u should give a vaccine. however after all the research i have done and the stories of the perfectly normal children that were animated until the day(s) after a vaccination, they became vegetative. i will never understand how anyone can believe injecting poisons into small bodies is a form of protection. i have seen the commercials for blatant profit and fear and wondered about it. so i read more and rerealized the pharma companies are only in it for the profit. it is far more likely your child will be injured by the vaccine than by the disease it is supposed to protect against, those are statistics. facts. lots of attention was drawn to the kids that died from measles exposure last year(and they did not choose not to vaccinate, they were behind due to being behind. they did not do the research and make the decision not to, the families just didnt make it down to the clinic, so chances are they were not naturally raised children but i do not know that part for fact) , but that was only 3 out of millions. a lot more than 3 were injured by the shot or died (m.any times the death is ruled to be sids or something else, they would not admit it is their fault, and they are protected from litigation. it is such an obviously crooked system to me, they are the only entity that cannot be held responsible for their actions. you can even sue police, but not a vaccine maker. how can people allow it? it is beyond me.). if i sound angry its because i am. there have been a few ways the elite stayed the elite through time. via the defense program ($900 for a hammer, etc), health insurance companies, and health companies. the profits are staggering. i am angry that pharma companies are allowed to advertise at all. if you watch tv you have been bombarded by the advertising for ambient and symbicort and antidepression 'medicine' if you hear the side effects it is mindblowing anyone would use these. i mean really, 'driving without memory of the event', death, suicidal thots caused by a depression medicine (depression isnt even a disease, neither is obesity, the pharma companies just had to get them called disease so they could make drugs for it and have it covered by health insurance. the recent talks on health care have stirred my anger even tho i know that to be angry is to feed the anger machine. perhaps the letters i have been writing will help me with this. i really hope you do more research and see that it is all lies designed to keep the customers for the insurance companies. but if you believe it is safe and good and get it, then i hope your child tolerates the invasion well and with no side effects now or in the years to come. but ultimately i know none of this matters. none of this is real. it is all a game. a dream within a dream. all that matters is the joy felt in each individual moment for the eternal moment is all there is. everyone should read neale donald walsch, deepak chopra, eckhart tolle, and dr wayne dyer. but especially neale donald walsch's original trilogy. the world is operating with false information. a complete remake is in order.
post #10 of 25
FWIW I was very, very nervous when we decided to delay vax. When my son was born I saw how healthy and happy he was just the way he was. The more pressure I received from people to hurry up and vax him, the more I began to resent the idea. After a bunch of research, we completely gave up the idea of vaxing at all. Now, I know this next part is definitely going to vary by child, but my son has never been sick. Never. No ear infections, no coughing, so colds, no throwing up. He's just over a year old and all that exposure (and breast feeding!) I think did him just fine.

I also should mention when my friend's granpa was dying in the nursing home, I took my son in there to see him all the time (few times a week?) and the other elderly and sick people there would love on him, hold him, touch him, and even let him crawl around on the floor there!!

I am sure my son has been exposed to a lot of yucky stuff out there, but I have never regretted my decision. Allowing his immune system to build is one of the best things I could give him in my opinion!
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by SubliminalDarkness View Post
I hope I don't step on any toes by saying this, but.... If you're worried that your child isn't safe without vaccines, and you've done at least a fair amount of research on the vaccination situation, perhaps you should vaccinate? If you ultimately feel it's safer, than I guess I would say that's the thing you should do.
I totally agree with this. When I was deciding what to do, it was way more gut-wrenching for me to think about giving the shot.

I honestly would not encourage anyone to go the non-vax route or even the very delayed vax route I've chosen unless they believe 100% that they are not harming their child in the process. A good parent makes the very best choice they can for their child, and if you are afraid of giving your child a real life because of you vax choice, then you're not making the right choice for you. This is ultimately a very hard stance to take in our culture, so if you don't believe in what you're doing, you're going to be railroaded into vaxing at some point anyway.

We delayed all vaxes till 2 and then get one at a time as I feel like it. DD1 took more plane flights in her first year of life than I did in the 1st 16 of mine, and we brought her out of the country, all without vaxes. And a worry honestly never even crossed my mind. DD2 started day care without a single shot, and again, not once was I concerned about it.

Honestly, for most of human history vaxes weren't available and babies lived just fine. For most of our parents, the only vax that was available (if it was available) in infancy was the polio vax, and that disease doesn't exist in this country anymore.

If you can't have that level of comfort, then you need to re-think what you're doing.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by snomnky View Post
I fell the EXACT SAME way. My DD is 5mo and we will start vaxing her this month. She will get the DTaP and HIB, maybe Prevnar.

I have done ALL the research and weighed each vaccine against each disease and what it boils down to is that I can't not vaccinate. I just can't. I come here and read post after post about peoples kids being unvaxed and nothing bad ever happening, but someday it might. I couldn't deal with that. I am a worrier and although I worry about giving her the vaccines, I worry more about not doing it. I have a wonderful Naturopath on my side helping me through this and helping DD be as strong as possible and process the vaxes as best as possible.

My son is in school and brings all sort of things home. We also live in an area where our heard immunity is less than other areas of the country.

I can be confident in my decision because I am making it with the best intentions and her best interest in mind.

Each person and situation is different, it is really tough figuring all this out.
I totally respect your choice to vaccinate if you feel you have researched throughly. But I have a question. You say you can't NOT vaccinate because something bad MIGHT happen. But something bad MIGHT happen if you vaccinate as well....is it just a matter of worrying MORE about one scenario versus the other?? like you worry MORE about her getting a VPD and dying than you do about her having a serious adverse reaction to a vaccine that could cause a myriad of problems ranging from neurological damage to death??
I'm not being snarky, I'm really just trying understand where you are coming from!
post #13 of 25
kfillmore,Hello .If you feel nervous,go do the shots.I delayed.I lived like how you feel,and its no fun.PM me if you want I will tell you all about it and give you some balanced info.

snomnky.I feel the exact same way as you.


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i would also like to add that i feel a lot of these fears are generated by advertisements that the pharma companies put out.
I am not trying to be snarky but honestly,I never see ads out.What ads are you seeing?I think the only one I seen was for the ADULT dtap the do it for sophia one.

Personally I feel that the Pediatricians are good people that truly want your child to be vaxed and healthy.Yes there are some A-hole Dr's.I dont think its about money.But thats JMHO.I used to feel alot diffrent.


PS I dont think your child will catch anything (HUGS)
post #14 of 25
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I am not trying to be snarky but honestly,I never see ads out.What ads are you seeing?I think the only one I seen was for the ADULT dtap the do it for sophia one.
I very rarely watch tv, mostly only in passing through my mil's house, and I have seen dozens of vaccine ads by pharma companies. Mind you, many of them never come out and tell you it is for a vaccine, but it isn't hard to figure out when it says Sponsored by Merck or whatever at the bottom. Biggest example - the "cervical cancer vaccine" campaign started a few years ago. The first commercials out were all about how cervical cancers is caused by a virus and they acted basically like you could catch it like a cold. There was NO information about it (HPV) being an STD!!! Next came the "One Less" campaign which was designed to promote the vaccine itself and involved teenage girls doing all sorts of different activities talking about how they were going to be one less woman with cervical cancer. Again no mention of it HPV being an STD.
post #15 of 25
I think everyone is sort of scared when their child is that young. After so much research you start to feel more confident.

I will be the minority here and say that not vaxing isn't for everyone. Some people have a hard time understanding the research. Whatever decision you make, not vaxing, or selective/delay, or fully vaxing, make it an educated decision.
post #16 of 25
Just because your baby is fully vaxed does not mean that he/she is completely protected from all disease and you can just relax. There are still TONS of bugs and viruses to worry about...to protect them from. Vaccines are not a free pass to parental peace of mind. I thought I had researched it to the ground. I gave ds DTaP at 2 and 4 months and PC and Hib at 3. Then I did MORE research and now I am not giving him anymore until I feel the risk of giving it is less than the risk of not. I regret the vaxes I gave him. Especially PC. DTaP... I was worried about pertussis...we were traveling...etc but I don't believe I would do it over again.

I am the other side to Snomnky. I can't vax...I just can't. What if...
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by fruitfulmomma View Post
I very rarely watch tv, mostly only in passing through my mil's house, and I have seen dozens of vaccine ads by pharma companies. Mind you, many of them never come out and tell you it is for a vaccine, but it isn't hard to figure out when it says Sponsored by Merck or whatever at the bottom. Biggest example - the "cervical cancer vaccine" campaign started a few years ago. The first commercials out were all about how cervical cancers is caused by a virus and they acted basically like you could catch it like a cold. There was NO information about it (HPV) being an STD!!! Next came the "One Less" campaign which was designed to promote the vaccine itself and involved teenage girls doing all sorts of different activities talking about how they were going to be one less woman with cervical cancer. Again no mention of it HPV being an STD.
Those are all commercials for the same vaccine, and not one I think the OP is talking about anyway.
I also think it's SMART, not deceptive, to not call HPV an STD in those commercials. When you say STD people immediately jump to incorrect conclusions, and some of those conclusions harm young people in a variety of ways.
post #18 of 25
Make the decision that you can live with.
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by kfillmore View Post
We have a 6 month old who has not been vaccinated. We have been planning on delaying or selecting but now I am not so sure. BUT I am SOO worried about being out and about--strangers touch her, we go to the mall, we go to the Ped, I want to get together with other moms and kids etc
I sort of feel damned if I do damned if I don't, actually it is terrified if I do terrified if I don't.


p.s what it really may boil down to is that I am afraid she will catch something deadly.
Which deadly diseases is she at risk of catching? Is there a vaccine for that deadly disease? What is the safety of the vaccine? What is the efficacy of the vaccine? What are you doing to support her immune system? What is your understanding of a babies immune system?

There are deadly diseases 'out there'. But it doesn't matter how scary the disease is, if the vaccine is not effetive and you do not know what the long term safety is for vaccinating small babies, how can you choose that as the safer option?

Having written all of that, I have to agree with a PP. If you feel you are endangering your child by not vaccinating and living in fear of disease - vaccinating might make more sense for your family.
post #20 of 25
We're not planning on vaxing, and we will be traveling - all over the place with our child. Not as a newborn, but definitely after 12 months I'll be traveling to Europe and all over America. 12 months is an arbitrary choice, btw. It's just that I don't think I'll feel like traveling before then, lol.

Anyway, if you do the research on not vaccinating, and if you agree with it, then presumably you think vaccines are not the helpful aid every mainstream medical professional claims they are. As such, there is nothing to worry about.

If you agree that vaccines are helpful, or more helpful than harmful, then you choose to vax.

That's really all it comes down to - looking at the research, checking the sources, and making the choice with which you agree.

Besides that, if you're living in a developed country, the chances of your child contracting a deadly disease are less than a heck of a lot of other dangers, i.e. car accident, drowning, etc.
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