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post #21 of 38
Well neither the eye goop nor the Vit K are vaccines, so I don't understand how a religious exemption would apply (which I think is how our state gets away with making them mandatory). But it does seem like you'll need to sign a release and submit your birth plans in advance. I'd talk it over with your care provider, they can sign off on a written birth plan and put it in your file. You can also ask questions if you do a hospital tour.
post #22 of 38
One more important reason to thoroughly understand the pros and cons (this includes actually reading the insert for anything that you put into your or baby's body)...Our high infant mortality much of which is Sudden Unexplained Infant Death (SIDS), in the USA, helps to rank us in 29th position (below the Czech Republic, Israel and Cuba, among the many). http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/...-us-ranks-29th We spend the most per-capita in "health care" and administer more vaccines, earlier, and more frequently then these countries; yet our children are the sickest generation, ever (MUCH autoimmunity).

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/vaccine_sids.htm

"...Japan changed the start time for vaccinating from 3 months to two years and straight away their SIDS rate plummeted? "Delay of DPT immunisation until 2 years of age in Japan has resulted in a dramatic decline in adverse side effects. In the period of 1970-1974, when DPT vaccination was begun at 3 to 5 months of age, the Japanese national compensation system paid out claims for 57 permanent severe damage vaccine cases, and 37 deaths. During the ensuing six year period 1975-1980, when DPT injections were delayed to 24 months of age, severe reactions from the vaccine were reduced to a total of eight with three deaths. This represents an 85 to 90 percent reduction in severe cases of damage and death." Raymond Obomsawin, M.D. .."

Ultimately, it is not your doctor who is responsible for your health and your children's; You are.

My belief - if Nature did not provide it in the form it is presented (though we do still cook some foods , just don't consume anything which has been processed outside of our own kitchen) my children and I will not eat it, drink it, inhale it or inject it. Thanks to this philosophy (we are organic/natural, purified water), probiotic foods, and elimination of a number of foods to which my children are allergic (www.foodallergytest.com helped us greatly, with this), asthma and exzema are gone and autism is well under control. I wish I had understood what I was allowing to enter my children's bodies so much sooner; I can't wait for the day when the grocery contains only pure and healthy products and I hear someone requesting, "Could I please special-order the highly processed, corn syrup laden breakfast cereal - the one with the neurotoxic lake dyes and 'enriched' so it can be considered a food product?"
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post #24 of 38
Thread Starter 
"Nearly seven U.S. babies die out of every 1,000 live births. More than 28,000 American babies die before their first birthday."

thanks for the other links too. kansas isn't listed on the 2nd, but i'm sure i can find it or do whatever to get one.. hmm. again with the religious thing. i think that's pretty shallow that some states require you have a literal 'religious' reason for exemptions.
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post #26 of 38
Thread Starter 
not seeing an actual form that is just for exemption of vaccines at birth, just for school and child care. i just see "Submit a written statement signed by a parent that the parent is an adherent of a religious denomination whose teachings are opposed to immunizations".

maybe i'm just bypassing the actual form on the site but from reading that all i need to do is write a statement. i'll skim through again but if i don't find it all call around and make sure.
post #27 of 38
I didn't have the Hep B vaccine until 3 years ago. My DH is in the middle of the 3 shot series right now. We've both been to Egypt, India, Burma, China and various other places.

I could not figure out why they would give such a thing to an infant. You only need one if you've been exposed via sexual intercourse, the mother has it or the baby has a blood transfusion. I can't remember where I read it, but somewhere I found that they decided to give it to newborns because it was cheaper than screening for the above risk factors (mother having it or blood transfusion).

I know I don't have it, so my baby is not getting it or antibiotic eye goop - of course this is only if we go to the hospital. the only vaccine I am considering before the baby is much older is the dtap. But I'm still researching that as well.
post #28 of 38
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"...Japan changed the start time for vaccinating from 3 months to two years and straight away their SIDS rate plummeted? "Delay of DPT immunisation until 2 years of age in Japan has resulted in a dramatic decline in adverse side effects. In the period of 1970-1974, when DPT vaccination was begun at 3 to 5 months of age, the Japanese national compensation system paid out claims for 57 permanent severe damage vaccine cases, and 37 deaths. During the ensuing six year period 1975-1980, when DPT injections were delayed to 24 months of age, severe reactions from the vaccine were reduced to a total of eight with three deaths. This represents an 85 to 90 percent reduction in severe cases of damage and death." Raymond Obomsawin, M.D. .."
Not sure why and if it has influenced SIDS rates, but Japan's vaccination schedule suggests DPT 3times at 3-6 months. Also, as far as I know the DTP vaccine has changed significantly since the 1980s.

One reason, that some people opt for an early Hep B vaccine is, that if a baby get Hep B, it will most likely be chronic. However, it is very unlikely in the first place, that a baby will contract hep B.
post #29 of 38
My daughter has a demyelinating disorder and this is one of the possible "adverse events" from taking the DTaP. The DTaP was one of the shots she received at 14 weeks of age when started her decline and ended up at the hospital. She now has hippocampal sclerosis (the hippocampus is one of the main organs of learning); she requires 35 hours/week in intensive 1:1 therapy, in addition to school, in order to learn the same material as her age-peers. She also has temporal and frontal lobe seizures, now. If you think having a child is expensive, try adding $60K a year in therapies that your insurance will not cover! And if you feel you already do not have enough time in a day, try adding daily visits to therapists and weekly visits to specialists - and if you choose Public school, days and days of fighting for services to which your child is entitled under the law but refused because the schools have already earmarked the Special Needs funding for other projects...

FWIW, she had the full series of DTaP and still contracted Pertussis (as did most of the school) two years ago...

http://www.rxlist.com/tripedia-drug.htm#

Excerpted from 2/3 of the way down page 3 of 10:

"...Additional Adverse Reactions:

· As with other aluminum-containing vaccines, a nodule may be palpable at the injection sites for several weeks. Sterile abscess formation at the site of injection has been reported.3,36


· Rarely, an anaphylactic reaction (ie, hives, swelling of the mouth, difficulty breathing, hypotension, or shock) has been reported after receiving preparations containing diphtheria, tetanus, and/or pertussis antigens.3


· Arthus-type hypersensitivity reactions, characterized by severe local reactions (generally starting 2-8 hours after an injection), may follow receipt of tetanus toxoid.


· A few cases of peripheral mononeuropathy and of cranial mononeuropathy have been reported following tetanus toxoid administration, although available evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relation.37


· A review by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) found evidence for a causal relationship between tetanus toxoid and both brachial neuritis and Guillain-Barré syndrome.37


· A few cases of demyelinating diseases of the CNS have been reported following some tetanus toxoid-containing vaccines or tetanus and diphtheria toxoid-containing vaccines, although the IOM concluded that the evidence was inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship.37

Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.2
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post #30 of 38
Do you have any links to the Japanese Vaccination schedule? I googled it several different ways and can only come up with a schedule that looks very much like the US except includes a couple extra vaccines.

The only things I can find on it that say anything about change or improvement in SIDS rates are on other sites not related to the actual Japanese immunization schedule.

If I could get that, it would be helpful in considering a delayed vax schedule. I didn't get Hep B at all for DD and probably will not until she is much older, if at all.
I have MS and my very first signs of MS occurred after the second Hep B shot when I was 21 years old.

We did get the eye goop and Vit K.

Deb
post #31 of 38
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15081355/I...cination-Japon

I must mention that, despite the fact Japanese children are only getting six shots before age 1, Autism is still on the rise there. Please note what I wrote above about brain damage from the DTaP (other vaccines can cause encelopathy, too)...
post #32 of 38
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Originally Posted by LParker View Post
This is the schedule we have access, too. Japanes kids receive far fewer vaccines, than American children. Comparing immunization schedule of different countries made me start questionening immunizations.

Japan has additionally Tuberculosis in their schedule, probably because of the close living conditions, and Japanese Encephalytis. But no standart MMR for instance.

DTaP is one of the vaccines with the worst side effects, as far as I understand.
post #33 of 38
"...Special Masters have already concluded “were it not for the administration of the vaccine, the brain damages/seizures etc.. would not have occurred...”

Dr. Moulden has performed significant research, to understand the biophysical response to vaccination. See his body of work here:

http://www.vaccinerights.com/Redacte...sicsReport.pdf
post #34 of 38
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Originally Posted by First-Time-Mommy View Post
not seeing an actual form that is just for exemption of vaccines at birth, just for school and child care.
that's the one form, they don't accept copies tho, so i recommend getting the max number and getting them all notarized. that way if anyone needs to know about your child's vax status, you have an official copy on hand to prove you've actually thought about it

as for eye goop, i am not for unnecessary antibiotics at any age.

Vitamin K, well we're not circ'ing, but I've got oral Vit K as a precaution regardless.

good luck with your research, and kudos to you for not just sticking your head in the sand about it all!
post #35 of 38
thank you for sharing that Lparker. hugs mama
post #36 of 38
Yes, thanks for sharing, Lparker and I am so sorry about your daughter. Thanks for all the links and info.
post #37 of 38
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Originally Posted by LParker View Post

FWIW, she had the full series of DTaP and still contracted Pertussis (as did most of the school) two years ago...


I am sorry for the trouble and pain and financial difficulties vaccine injuries have cause for your child and your family.

The winter before last, my kids all came down with pertussis, too (whooping cough, for those unfamiliar with that other name). They are unvaxed and the "carrier" was a vaxed child in our preschool co-op who had been vaxed for it. The problem with the vaccine is that it masks the symptoms, so the child who is vaxed still carries the illness and can be contagious, but since the symptoms are masked, you are unaware she carries it until other children are infected. It no big deal for most other vaxed kids; they can still "catch" the illness, but do not have the symptoms to deal with.

Of course, since we are unvaxed, my kids had all kinds of symptoms (which required some treatment), but the doctor didn't want to treat them for it as he said that since there is a vaccine, kids don't catch whooping cough anymore (and if they did have it, he wouldn't treat them anyway b/c I chose not to vaccinate, so he chose to let us suffer for "our choices") He had me leave his practice signing a paper saying I wouldn't sue him after my 2 year old ended up in the hospital with pneumonia as a complication.

It's madness.
post #38 of 38
Besides the health issues, there's also the pain of the injection - even if "they won't remember it." Besides, you won't know til afterward if baby will scar, have skin torn by a slightly off-kilter needle, get hit right in a nerve (this happened to a brother in law with a full grown arm once, little tiny thighs have everything MUCH closer together!) or have some 3rd party bump or jostle the person doing the injection at just the wrong time.

Seriously, unless you think your baby is going to start high-risk behavior right away, at least delay vaccinations.
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