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Neighbor Girl Terrified of My Dog (X-post in Childhood Years)

post #1 of 50
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This situation is kinda complicated, but I'm going to try to keep it as simple as possible.

My DD is three, and recently started playing with the neighbor, "Ann", who's seven. That's been wonderful, Ann is a joy to have around and DD having a great time.

We have another little neighbor who's only around part time, "Bethie". Bethie's dad is an OTR trucker, so for two weeks out of every month, Bethie's at her grandparents, who are our neighbors. Bethie's dad is a single parent, as far as I know, her mom isn't around at all. I've never met her dad.

Bethie has made it known that she is quite jealous of DD because she, Bethie, never gets to play with Ann anymore. This all came out the other day at the neighborhood playground. So we invited Bethie to come play with DD when Ann is here.

Bethie is a kind of an odd kid. She's a little rude and weird. I feel bad for her, to tell you the truth. Her grandparents, IMO, neglect her- when she was four, I came very close to calling CPS because she was literally in the street (not the sidewalk, but the street) for hours at a time. Ann's dad, who's also a single parent, takes Bethie a lot, and the grandparents, rather than being kind or grateful about it, are very rude to Ann's dad. I've heard the grandpa banging on the door of Ann's house and screaming, "Godd@mn it, where's Bethie?" too many times to not judge him for it.

So...

Bethie came over with Ann yesterday, and it did not go well. She is insane with fear about my dog. My dog is big and strong, yes, but has never bit anyone, ever, and loves kids. I trust my dog implicitly.

In the 30 minutes that they were here, Bethie had three major meltdowns about my dog- so it was pretty much one long crying jag. She came in the back door, and my dog approached the girls in greeting, and Bethie flipped out. As in, accusing the dog of trying to bite her, wanting to eat her, hitching breath, shrill screaming, the whole nine yards.

Then we got the kids in the house, and Bethie pitched another fit because DS, 3 mos, was lying on this little toy that he has, and the dog walked past him. You can't leave your baby there, the dog will eat him, the dog will crush him, etc. I tried very hard to reassure her that my dog loves the baby and will not hurt him, neither accidentally nor on purpose, but she clearly didn't believe me.

The girls went in the playroom and the dog laid down. When it was time to go, Bethie flipped out again because she had to walk past the dog to get to the door. She started screaming, "Put Nellie upstairs! Put Nellie upstairs!" Now, Nellie came in response to her name, and Bethie just *collapsed*. Screaming and hyperventilating. Nellie went over to sniff her- at this point, the dog was a little worked up because of all of the craziness, but frankly I thought she'd been maintaining pretty well given all the shrieking. Well, at Nelle's approach, Bethie lost it even worse- she started biting her own arm and sobbing. At this, I asked Bethie if any dog had ever hurt her, and she yelled, "Nooo, but one might!"

I am out of my depth here. Nelle never even touched Bethie at all yesterday. DD and Ann kept trying to calm Bethie down, too, telling her that Nellie is a nice, good dog. I feel bad for this child, and I don't want to exclude her, but all of a sudden, DD's playdates have gone from being my time to do a little housework to a five alarm fire drill. Ann is often here for 3 hours at a time, and I'm not going to kennel my dog for hours so Bethie can come over. That isn't fair to Nellie, especially if she's behaving well. And, frankly, I don't want a seven year old running my house for me. Plus, I don't think I'm doing Bethie any favors by indulging this hysterical fear.

Can anyone help me out here?

How do I handle this?
post #2 of 50
Wow. That reaction seems really over the top. This kid has serious dog issues.

Your best bet is to keep the dog out of sight when she's over. There's nothing else for it.

I have a GSD, and he has the "police dog" coloring. I've had people fear him. Some people ask me "is it safe?" when they want to pass us on the sidewalk. But, I consider this a bonus as I'm asocial and it keeps both adults and strange kids away from me. However, obviously, this isn't a solution for you.

I agree that it's not fair to kennel the dog ... is there a yard? Maybe your kids could play in the yard, while the dog is inside, and vice versa? Or maybe you could ask your dog to remain near you, while the kids play? I have a command I use - "stay close". This means my dog can roam, but only so far as he can see me and I can see him. Is this an option for you?

To be honest, in your situation, I'd be scared for my dog! Why did this girl start biting her arm?! What if she went to her dad and said the dog did it? I'm trying to think of a way to ask this that is politically correct. But, is the girl ... "stable" otherwise? Maybe there is something going on at home. Because her biting her own arm sounds like a fairly severe/abnormal reaction.

How about calling her dad? Asking him what you should do?
post #3 of 50
Thread Starter 
That actually crossed my mind, Sailor, the idea that the bite mark could be blamed on my dog. But then I thought, oh, any medical person would be able to tell it was human.

I don't really let Nellie just interact with strange kids- yesterday was just so out of control. Nellie doesn't go in the playroom when DD has friends over, and generally sticks pretty close to me throughout the day.

Putting the dog in the yard and the kids in the house and vice versa just wouldn't be to cool in actual practice. DD and Ann are always running in and out, and since our front door is blocked off, it would mean that Bethie still had to pass/see Nellie.

And, no, sadly, Bethie doesn't seem "stable" otherwise.
post #4 of 50
When I know someone is afraid of my dogs I respect that and just keep the dogs away from them. It does not always mean putting them in another room but just keeping the dog out of their general proximity.

One of my daughters friends is afraid of large dogs and I don't think it is my place to help her "get over" her fears. I just keep the dogs away from her when she is over and that solves any possible issues. I would never dream of letting my dog near a child that is so afraid of a dog they become hysterical. This can have negative consequences for the child and the dog. It would have been a very easy solution to leash the dog and keep it out of the girls personal space while they walked by.
post #5 of 50
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This is exactly what I did to let the girls in the house. And after that, they were in a separate room. And it was still an almost non-stop freak out.

I've come to the reluctant conclusion that I can't have Bethie at our house anymore. If the girls want to play together at the park, that's fine. Unfortunately, I don't feel safe having DD going to Bethie's grandparents, so that's not going to happen, either. I don't want to exclude Bethie, but I don't really feel like I have choice.
post #6 of 50
I know you are at least trying to help this poor girl. What a sad story. I have a friend who has a child who is the opposite of this girl but she too is afraid of my gsd. She is 6 now and has been getting better over the years. (She was never as over the top as the poor girl you are dealing with and she has a normal and stable family). I always kennel or put them in our fenced yard. I also put up baby gates and would let her see the dogs. After a while I would put the gsd on a leash and let her pet him with him facing away. It turned out she was a little nervous of his giant head. Our gsd is a gentle giant and would never hurt anyone, but he is a bit clumsy.
I hope this little girl learns to at least deal calmly with dogs b/c her current behavior could get her hurt or worse with a stray/mean dog.
post #7 of 50
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Originally Posted by Leta View Post

And, no, sadly, Bethie doesn't seem "stable" otherwise.
I missed this earlier...

So you are saying the girl has mental/emotional issues/disabilities and you allowed your dog to approach her after your knew she was terribly afraid of it? Wow...that seems insensitive at best. Poor little girl
post #8 of 50
in these types of situations, i'm protective of my dog which ends up making it safer for the child/person as well.

if we have someone over who's that afraid of the dog, the dog gets closed in a bedroom while they are there. i don't want there to be the slightest bit of a chance that my dog gets accused of doing something and/or gets scared and acts in a manner i'm not expecting.

i never want to be in a situation where i'm fighting to not have my dog pts because of an overreaction or misunderstanding.

she's unhappy about being separated from us for the few hours, but i'd rather have her unhappy and with me than lose her forever over something stupid.
post #9 of 50
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This is exactly what I did to let the girls in the house. And after that, they were in a separate room. And it was still an almost non-stop freak out.

I've come to the reluctant conclusion that I can't have Bethie at our house anymore. If the girls want to play together at the park, that's fine. Unfortunately, I don't feel safe having DD going to Bethie's grandparents, so that's not going to happen, either. I don't want to exclude Bethie, but I don't really feel like I have choice.
I would come to the same conclusion, Leta. I think you are being thoughtful of her, and I'm sure you will be able to explain gently that your DD would love to play at the park together. My girls have friends that they only see like that too.
It does sound like the best solution for your household, as well as for her.
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Originally Posted by Girl In The Fire View Post
I missed this earlier...

So you are saying the girl has mental/emotional issues/disabilities and you allowed your dog to approach her after your knew she was terribly afraid of it? Wow...that seems insensitive at best. Poor little girl
This is an extradordinarily obtuse statement. I don't know this kid. She's been to our house once, for half an hour. I had no idea that she would respond to a very normal, run of the mill scenario in such a way that so out of proportion.

I don't know what, if any, Bethie's emotional/mental problems are. As a matter of full disclosure, I guess I should let you know that I was fired from my last job as a mind reader. I'll be sure to put that at the top of my mommy resume from here on out. I just know that the way she acted at my house didn't indicate stability.

I thought I was I clear in my OP that I was asking for help. Please, if you don't have anything helpful to add, reconsider posting.
post #11 of 50
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I would come to the same conclusion, Leta. I think you are being thoughtful of her, and I'm sure you will be able to explain gently that your DD would love to play at the park together. My girls have friends that they only see like that too.
It does sound like the best solution for your household, as well as for her.
Thank you. As I said, it's a reluctant conclusion, but I just can't come up with anything better.
post #12 of 50
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I thought I was I clear in my OP that I was asking for help. Please, if you don't have anything helpful to add, reconsider posting.
Right here:

When it was time to go, Bethie flipped out again because she had to walk past the dog to get to the door. She started screaming, "Put Nellie upstairs! Put Nellie upstairs!" Now, Nellie came in response to her name, and Bethie just *collapsed*. Screaming and hyperventilating. Nellie went over to sniff her- at this point, the dog was a little worked up because of all of the craziness, but frankly I thought she'd been maintaining pretty well given all the shrieking. Well, at Nelle's approach, Bethie lost it even worse- she started biting her own arm and sobbing.

put the dog in a different room for the moments that it takes the child to walk to the door. Or have the dog leashed to you. Absolutely prevent the dog from approaching and sniffing the already hysterically fearful child.
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I'd honestly try and avoid inviting her over, since she freaks out so much about your dog.

Heck i've had people act afraid of my 15lb mini schnauzer while walking him lol.

I have two very younger siblings who hysterically cry and freak out if they see my dog because their dog is a tiny chihuahua so they think my dog is way bigger than he is since their dog weighs 4lbs if that.

post #14 of 50
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Nellie came in response to her name, and Bethie just *collapsed*. Screaming and hyperventilating. Nellie went over to sniff her- at this point, the dog was a little worked up because of all of the craziness, but frankly I thought she'd been maintaining pretty well given all the shrieking. Well, at Nelle's approach, Bethie lost it even worse- she started biting her own arm and sobbing.
You allowed the dog to go over and sniff the LITTLE GIRL after she collapsed on the floor hyperventilating? Those actions are cruel and make me feel angry.
post #15 of 50
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I thought I was I clear in my OP that I was asking for help. Please, if you don't have anything helpful to add, reconsider posting.
People are trying to help.

It might be worth doing some reading about childhood fears and the recommended ways to deal with them. If you pretend it was your child going over to someone else's house who had that level of reaction and approach the research that way you might get some good information.

We're dealing with a different fear in our DD. And probably the biggest and MOST IMPORTANT thing is to NOT FORCE the issue. And this is pretty common knowledge. I think that's why people are shocked that you let the dog continue to be close and near the girl.
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People are trying to help.

It might be worth doing some reading about childhood fears and the recommended ways to deal with them. If you pretend it was your child going over to someone else's house who had that level of reaction and approach the research that way you might get some good information.

We're dealing with a different fear in our DD. And probably the biggest and MOST IMPORTANT thing is to NOT FORCE the issue. And this is pretty common knowledge. I think that's why people are shocked that you let the dog continue to be close and near the girl.
As a child I watched my sister get bitten by someone's "friendly", "harmless" dog, so I still to this day have a fear of them. After that incident, I would scream, cry, and hyperventilate when dogs came around. I can't imagine how traumatic it would have been if someone had let their dog come running up to sniff me while I was screaming in terror. Forcing the dog on her will only make it worse.

It sounds like this little girl has a tough life already, and she really looks forward to playing with the other girls. I wouldn't cut her out of the play dates just because she is afraid of dogs. I would recommend keeping the dog up at first, and then slowly letting her see the dog on her own terms. Yes, it may mean that you don't get house work done, but just think of the impact you will be making in this little girl's life!
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You allowed the dog to go over and sniff the LITTLE GIRL after she collapsed on the floor hyperventilating? Those actions are cruel and make me feel angry.
This. You can't believe how much this upsets me. An important part of the parenting that MDC tries to uphold involves respecting children as people. And accepting that their feelings are real, however irrational they may seem to you. That action (of letting the dog approach the terrified child) seems highly disrespectful of the child, and in opposition to what we try to encourage at MDC.
post #18 of 50
The way I view it, how would I want my child treated if s/he was that frightened of dogs. And I would be livid that Nellie was allowed to sniff and hover over my child while s/he was panicking.

All in all, I think Bethie deserves the consideration. She has many issues, and needs all the love and friendship that she can get. I think it's perfectly reasonable, to have Nellie nap in you bedroom.

They time that he girls are playing is < the time that Nellie is confined, by a long shot. I wouldn't kennel her either. I would be sad if our dog had to be kenneled for 3 or 4 hours most days, but napping in a closed room isn't too bad in my opinion.

I feel really bad for little Bethie. She needs her friends, and the support she gets from you, and Ann's father. Who knows what her neighborhood is like when she's home with her dad. I can't imagine being in her shoes, my mother gone, my dad working for long stretches, and we assume, grandparents that aren't the most attached? I just want to her.
post #19 of 50
In all fairness to the OP, it sounds like she was shocked by the reaction. She obviously didn't purposefully sic her dog on the child!

If I had a strange child over to my house, and she freaked out like this, I would literally be too shocked to do anything for a few moments - enough moments so that my GSD could go over and sniff her. I'd probably stand there watching the whole scenario, not knowing what to do first, for a few moments before action kicked in.

I mean, it's not everyday that one comes across such an intense reaction. The OP has said this was the first time the girl was in her home. So, it's not something she could have forseen.
post #20 of 50
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Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
If I had a strange child over to my house, and she freaked out like this, I would literally be too shocked to do anything for a few moments - enough moments so that my GSD could go over and sniff her. I'd probably stand there watching the whole scenario, not knowing what to do first, for a few moments before action kicked in. .
The part where the child bites her own arm in terror as the dog approaches to sniff her is as the child is leaving.....after a 30 min playdate where she had made it abundantly clear that she is very afraid of the dog, and after specifically asking the op to remove the dog ("Put Nellie upstairs!") so she could leave without walking by the dog. The op had far more than "a few moments" to comprehend that the dog should not be allowed near this child before this occurred.
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