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Recurring urge to go extreme

post #1 of 14
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I just started reading No Impact Man (the book, haven't checked out the blog yet) and it just strikes me again that I want to do something like that.

My DH is interested in environmentalism and has willingly taken a lot of steps to be more earth-friendly (some of those steps were kind of difficult for him, particularly giving up cleaning products and paper towels). But we still live a mainstream American life, albeit with more stuff going into the recycle bins than in the trash.

I once offered a fancy candle set that I got as a generic gift for Christmas from someone, I saw it as just more clutter, on Freecycle. The lady that picked it up said it was great because she doesn't use lights anymore, and she's always on the lookout for candles. I thought, wow, she doesn't use lights. I would love to give up lights! But DH just wouldn't go there.

I once, before the candle thing, had the idea of turning off our electricity (entirely, from the circuit breaker or whatever it is) for the day just to see what it was like and what challenges we had. DH was not interested. (Probably the main objection for him would be lack of access to the computer).

I'm not complaining about DH, more about myself. I keep getting these urges to do extreme things. The only reason I haven't campaigned to sell our (one and only) car is that we are part of a CSA and there is no other option to get there (no public transit and we have no friends who could drive us). Honestly the CSA wouldn't be our only problem but it's the only one that seemed non-negotiable to me

Yes, I know all about taking the steps you can take and moderation and blah blah blah and we're doing stuff (and sometimes I realize it might be more than I think we're doing ... but sometimes I realize it's less). But does anyone else have the urge to go extreme? Does anyone else DO extreme stuff?

My urges wax and wane but never go away entirely. I've posted some stuff on MDC before and I've always been kind of talked down away from making any big changes. But there's something in me that wants to just quit it all and move to Tanzania and work to help people there, or do subsistence farming, or something.
post #2 of 14
I'd love to hear stories from moms who have gone extreme, too!

I keep bringing up to dh doing something wild--living in a tiny (like walk-in closet-tiny) house, managing a campground, and, therefore living out of a small pop-up--SOMETHING! So, yes, i have those urges as well, but mine revolve more around our abode than lack of utilities--though that'd be interesting as well.

I've (VERY) often wondered what it'd be like if all our modern conveniences were taken away--suddenly we'd have no electric, no phones, no water except what we can haul from the nearest stream--and find myself wanting to be as self-sufficient as we'd have to be in that situation. That all goes hand in hand with my interest in soap-making, gardening, breast-feeding, etc. I like not relying on Walmart, ya know?

Have you checked other forums? Living off the grid, things like that? I know i've heard great stories from moms living in yurts, in other countries, etc.
post #3 of 14
i hear you! there certainly are lots of mamas going extreme. i'm not sure about the papas, though! i'm trying to see if we can get to zero waste most of the time, looking at all the things we buy that are packaged. i'm going to be implementing family cloth when we return from this trip, which should be very interesting histle2 and we don't use disposable products at home. i'm investing in a real (safety, not straight!) razor and i already use cloth everything. i've been searching for a butcher who will wrap my food in paper, and i'm looking for cheesecloth so i can wrap cheese from the cheese shop directly in it. i love the idea of bringing containers to the fishmongers, too . i'm hoping to start getting raw milk in jars there, i do here in canada, and making our own yogurt from that, making sourdough, and canning into glass + rubber ringed jars. we're trying to make our garden feed us, and i'm on the fence about chickens. i'm trying to make everything we need in terms of my children's clothing, warm blankets, hats + mittens etc. i make our toothpaste, laundry soap, salves, and we use soda + vinegar for our hair. i hope to learn to make soap this autumn, and learn to quilt as well as sew good clothing. i'm hoping to do lots of thrifting for things we *need*. i live with techno boy though, and he has a hi-tech career, so we are becoming increasingly bizarre. i also live in london, uk, and am not likely to stop very soon, so there isn't anything that looks like goats + land for me! not yet anyway. i am happy living without a car - but london has amazing transport.

i would be very interested in knowing if it is cheaper to make oil + wick lamps, and candles (er, probably not unless i get my own bees, as i don't want to use petroleum products) compared to the price of electricity...i am extremely light sensitive and cannot bear cfls and other cheap lights.

i think these things take time. see if you can do some things for yourself, and toss around ideas. best to approach dh's with enthusiasm, but quietly. i am a lucky mama in that my children love anything old-fashioned, so i'm getting away with a lot through them!! we are drop-spindling, weaving, knitting, crocheting, sewing, and - canning as of today. there are also lots of blogs on urban homesteading. what's your partner's job like? is he happy with it? could he live somewhere where you could pursue your interests, or could you pursue them where you are?

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post #4 of 14
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post #5 of 14
I have had the same urges. Unfortunately, we rely too heavily on electricity. For instance, I need insulin to survive, which needs to be refrigerated It is actualy somethign I worry about a lot. What would happen if our entire ifrastructure collapsed?

I mostly try to not use any disposable items, and our family generates a very samll amount of non-recyclable/non-compostable trash.
post #6 of 14
Count me in. My dream is to live in a one room cabin in the woods. Sigh. Some days it feels so far away.
post #7 of 14
Found your post when searching to see what buzz if any the No Impact Man booked had generated on MDC... not as much as I expected. The freecycle part inspired me to turn off the light and light up a few of our Salvation Army candles

I am also living a mainstream American life, but love the idea of doing something bigger someday. I'm not sure when someday is or exactly how to get there yet.

In the meantime, I try not to underestimate the impact we can make by just living our values and letting it rub off on those around us. For example, my family is far from no impact, but we live small compared to folks around us in here in a part of suburbia where lots of folks live in 6000 square foot McMansions with enormous un-used lawns. There's an impact to be made by them coming over for a playgroup or book club and seeing my family living our happy little life with less than 1/4 the commute, square footage, etc... For now I sustain my inner idealist by rationalizing that we also need lots of little people out there proving we can all live more sustainably, and modeling it as just a doable part of our lives.

All that said, ripples are good... but I don't mean to talk you down. If you have the passion and energy to do something extreme (and buy in from your family) you should GO FOR IT!
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post #9 of 14
only had time to read the OP, but I feel you!
Know that you will make the biggest impact with changes/new habits that are reasonable for you to sustain. This will also set a better example for others! Better to have lights off after 9 pm for life, than to go without them altogether for one month and then give up, kwim? That in particular- the artificial light (moreso that it's at the wrong times!)- I am convinced it is one of the major negative forces in my life. Of course I am online at 1:30 am so obviously not doing anything about it atm..
post #10 of 14
ugh, i ALWAYS have urges like this! but even though i can't make always extreme changes, it eventually has led me to take small steps here and there to "go green," for instance using home-made cleaners and taking our recyclables to a drop-off place. i could see myself giving up lights and just using candles, but my husband won't go there either. he thinks it would actually be more expensive because we would have to buy soy or beeswax candles (we use energy-saving light bulbs - we've had ours currently for over a year and they are still going strong!) and would be more of a hassle to clean our walls and ceilings of soot. but that's one thing i wouldn't mind doing at all.

and living in a smaller place, i would LOVE to do that. i don't like big, open houses. i don't know why. they feel empty and ... creepy at night. haha! i love small, cozy, organized, clean houses.

i would also love to give up my car and ride my bike more often, but i have an infant and wouldn't feel safe with him in a bike seat. too many bicycle accidents around here. :-/
post #11 of 14
Yes!! This is me. Huge urges to do extreme things but... my family isn't with me on all my ideas. DH just kind of rolls his eyes and says "you've been on so and so's blog today?" lol. I just have to remind myself that slow and steady wins the race. Meaning, if I keep introducing my family to a lot of small measures, they'll add up to something big... I hope!
post #12 of 14
well, I often have these urges too. My partner is onboard with getting rid of our fridge once we live in our own home. we already eat 95% local and organic. There are a lot of things that we plan on doing once we own a home like super insulting and turning it a passivehaus for heating reductions.

I just recently got the opportunity to meet Pat Murphy (author of Plan C) and he said that there were three things that we could do to drastically reduce our fossil fuel and hence GHG emissions.
1. lose the personal vehicle.
2. eat local organic. by refusing to buy commercial meats you reduce your GHG emissions by 50%!
3. turn your house into a passive House, reducing heating and cooling by 70-80%

if we all did these three things north americans would have reduced their personal GHG emissions by about 80%.
and, none of these things are that extreme in that they don't mean living without electricity etc.

As far as other things we can do: the two biggest appliances that consume energy are 1. the refrigerator and 2. the dryer
We can hang our clothes up (pretty easy, not too extreme) and we can get rid of the HUGE clunker fridge and get a small (like 4 cu ft or so) energy efficient one. If you are eating local and in season, then you don't have to store everything in the fridge. You can buy smaller amounts of things more often. You can take out all the non-necessary things (which are most) in your fridge like condiments and fruits and vegetables. Really, the only things that NEED to be cooled are dairy and meat. even eggs can be out at room temperature for a few days (think of how long they are in the hen house...)

One other thing to reduce your footprint is to increase the density in your living space. Have an extra room/guest bedroom/junk room that could be converted into a living space? get a roommate! it's fun! have a basement that you rarely use? turn it into an apartment!

for OP, if you can't find a rideshare to your CSA, what about biking? we have a local group here that bikes to deliver CSAs all over our city. Once you're in shape, a good 20 mile bike ride doesn't take too long, and you can take the kids along etc.

Glad to see that folks are willing to go the extra mile. Good luck!!
post #13 of 14
I just read that book and now found this thread. Any one here have any good info to share? We are far far far from no impact living. But we have started composting and we do recycle all that we can. Does that count?
post #14 of 14
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