ladylee glad to see you here
ITA with what you said
ITA with what you said
|Originally posted by anothermama
As I went to sleep last night thinking of this thread, I was in tears.
The answers are spelled out.
You can't be honest because people willl WRONGFULLY accuse you of being judgemental, knowing more about their body than their OB, etc etc.
You can't make statements about the medical establishment because no matter matter how much you tell women its NOT about them, it seems that most high intervention women WONT LISTEN and will still accuse you of trying to judge them personally.
You cant win. C Secs and high intervention births are bound to go up. And anyone who sees the benefit of having natural birth needs to shut up. Anyone who educates themselves needs to shut up because they don't have the holy letters behind their name.
I went to sleep last night feeling like everything I learned in the past 5 years is for nothing. All the work I've done is worthless. It's all pretty meaningless because so many women have so many interventions, they are the majority, I'm the minority. And in America, majority rules (well, except in presidential elections I guess).
I'm squashed and I give up. What a waste.
|OnTheFence wrote: "I dont think much of a woman who puts her life and child at risk to try to prove something to the rest of the world, medical establishment or even herself. I have read time and time again about fear based medicine, well there is a flip side to that as well and its here running rampant through these forums and in other circles."
Blueviolet wrote: "What exactly is your point? Are you trying to give the birth "extremists" a taste of their own medicine? Because this is a pretty harsh, judgemental, hurtful (and IMO off-the-wall) statement -- wasn't the making of such statements exactly what you were railing against in the first place?"
OnTheFence wrote: "My point is that this is what often goes on that people are unaware of. Pam put something out there to be discussed and I am pointing out how *I* see and feel about things I have read and experienced on this forum. I dont believe its off the wall at all -- not from my seat at least. My statement may be harsh and I am sorry if it offends but in my belief it is truth."
|Originally posted by jess7396
So, has the OP or anyone else gotten useful advice from this thread, or was it a complete waste?
|Originally posted by blueviolet
So you can make assumptions (that women on this board put themselves and their babies at risk, and that they do so to prove something to the rest of the world, medical establishment or themselves -- this is a HUGE assumption) and judgements (that you don't think much of women who do that.) Yet you don't like it when others make assumptions and personal judgements about things that you do.
This is awfully hypocritical.
|I DO think I know more about <childbirth the way nature intended> than most OBs. Certainly more than any OB I've ever met.|