H1N1 Vaccine Does This Make Sense???

[SandyMom]

I'm confused. I just read this article from NaturalNews
Why Millions of Americans Don't Need a Swine Flu Vaccine

RE ppl who've already had it once...

All these millions of people who were infected by H1N1 and didn't die have naturally made their own swine flu antibodies. They are now immune to the swine flu, and they now have zero risk of being infected or killed by this H1N1 swine flu in the future.

I thought there was still chance of getting it if it mutated?

I'm wondering about those who've had it but weren't tested - what if they/we have antibodies and then are given the immunization?

So here's the relevant question: What happens when you give an H1N1 vaccine to a person who already has H1N1 antibodies?
All of the risk, none of the benefit
The answer is that injecting such a person with an H1N1 vaccine exposes them to all the risks of a vaccine with none of the purported benefits. In other words, such a vaccine cannot help them in any way because they're already immune to H1N1!
The vaccine can only harm them or have no effect.
Given that there is zero reward but some measurable risk for these people taking the vaccine, it only makes sense that people who have existing H1N1 antibodies should never be given an H1N1 vaccine shot.

I know that site can be a bit over the top at times - but I'm wondering what others think of this?

Edited to add that I'm mostly thinking in terms of possible mandatory immunizations at school this year.

[nataliachick7]

There will be no mandatory vaccines, period. NO ONE can make you vaccinate your child. PERIOD. Dont give in to the scaremongering.

And yes, for the most part i do agree with that info.

[Mom2M]

I agree that there will be no mandatory vaccinations. Also, the reason you do not need the vaccine if you already had the H1N1 flu is because the vaccine is made from the same strain of flu that was around this spring.

Deb

[dessismama]

Biggest issue with H1N1 swine flu is that it is unpredictable. It kills the young--over 10 healthy children and college kids have died since school started in the US. Several in less than 48 hours from the onset of symptoms... It goes deep into the lungs and there are uncanny similarities to the deadly virus from 1918.

Yes, these are rare events overall but no one knows how she or he will react to this sneaky virus. From a public point standpoint, even if the flu shot reduces infections by half it will save a lot of lives.

I do not think anyone will force anyone to get it. They are planning to have 165 million shots here in the US, so this should cover all the people wanting it, and if not enough people here want it, I am sure in other parts of the world, people would love to get their hands on it...

Plus most people who get it are not tested so there is no reliable way to tell who was naturally immunized. And now there is talk of a mutation.... the next few months will tell what this pandemic will turn out to be.

[A&A]

Originally Posted by dessismama

It goes deep into the lungs and there are uncanny similarities to the deadly virus from 1918.

Which was also an H1N1, interestingly enough.


The NY Times had an article saying that the swine flu peak will get here before the vax, though.

[Penny4Them]

Sears article

Hi, I saw this article today from Dr. Sears regarding Swine Flu parties. http://www.askdrsears.com/news/headlines0909.asp
Although I am concerned by the swine flu vaccine, I was thinking about whether or not getting the vaccine myself could actually benefit my 3-month old thru bfing. for instance, if I got the vaccine, would that create antibodies that I'd give him via bfing and help my Ds if he happens to contract it?

Then I wondered, if I don't get the vaccine but I contracted h1n1 myself at the same time as my son, would I make antibodies that would help his body recover from the flu faster?

Anyone know the answer to this?

Penny

[carmel23]

Originally Posted by Penny4Them

Hi, I saw this article today from Dr. Sears regarding Swine Flu parties. http://www.askdrsears.com/news/headlines0909.asp
Although I am concerned by the swine flu vaccine, I was thinking about whether or not getting the vaccine myself could actually benefit my 3-month old thru bfing. for instance, if I got the vaccine, would that create antibodies that I'd give him via bfing and help my Ds if he happens to contract it?

Then I wondered, if I don't get the vaccine but I contracted h1n1 myself at the same time as my son, would I make antibodies that would help his body recover from the flu faster?

Anyone know the answer to this?

Penny

I'm not sure about breastfeeding, but that is an interesting question.

I think that typically Public Heath folks recommend that parents of children under six months receive the vaccine (and all members of the household who are caring for the child on a regular basis) because then they won't get sick and bring the virus home with them to get the baby sick. It is like herd immunity--within the family.

On the larger societal scale, the idea is that if a certain percentage of the population receives the vaccine, then there will be less people contracting and spreading the illness, and the overall horrible potentiality of a pandemic are avoided (think hurricane Katrina brought to you by the flu). It doesn't have to be 100 per cent to be effective-- I think it is even if 30 or 40 per cent of the population receive the vaccine, the spread is slowed/mitigated and then disaster is avoided.

An interesting point is also that the world population is *much greater* then it was in 1918. So there are that many more people to get sick and pass the virus on...

[carmel23]

Originally Posted by A&A

Which was also an H1N1, interestingly enough.


The NY Times had an article saying that the swine flu peak will get here before the vax, though.

Interestingly the 1918 flu pandemic came through town several times-- the first wave was mild, the second bad, the third disastrous. So even if the vaccine arrives after the initial 'peak,' it can still help a lot of people from getting it in the second or third wave, if it comes that way.

[A&A]

Originally Posted by carmel23

Interestingly the 1918 flu pandemic came through town several times-- the first wave was mild, the second bad, the third disastrous. So even if the vaccine arrives after the initial 'peak,' it can still help a lot of people from getting it in the second or third wave, if it comes that way.

Unless the vax has worn off by then. The regular flu vax, for example, only has a "lifespan" of one year, if that.

[KelliH]

Originally Posted by carmel23

Interestingly the 1918 flu pandemic came through town several times-- the first wave was mild, the second bad, the third disastrous. So even if the vaccine arrives after the initial 'peak,' it can still help a lot of people from getting it in the second or third wave, if it comes that way.

In the northern hemisphere this is the 2nd wave-spring was the 1st.

[SandyMom]

Thanks for all the replies, ladies.
I feel both more educated and more confused!
Sigh...

I agree w/ pp's that there will likely be no mandatory vaccinations - still, it'd be good to know more b/c there is always a battle w/ the ptb over why we choose not to - I'm rather confident that our whole family had it in the spring - but of course can't know for sure. And if it does mutate - then there's that to consider.
I'm going to try the homeopathic vaccine and see if it works - b/c it's supposed to lessen symptoms even if you do get it - so it can't hurt.
I'm just prattling on here - thinking out loud - sorry!!!

Anyway - thanks again so much all for the input.
Sandy

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by nataliachick7

There will be no mandatory vaccines, period. NO ONE can make you vaccinate your child. PERIOD. Dont give in to the scaremongering.

And yes, for the most part i do agree with that info.

I'm not saying I think there will be...but make no mistake...the laws are such that states could absolutley force you to vaccinate in the case of a pandemic and public health emergency which is what we are facing now.

I suppose you could refuse and be jailed or forced into a quarantine facility. But is this really a realistic alternative to most of the population that need to work for a living?? This is not fear mongering...this is a reality. Check the laws out. They are there. Hopefully they will never be put into action, but they ARE there.

[nataliachick7]

Originally Posted by Marnica

I'm not saying I think there will be...but make no mistake...the laws are such that states could absolutley force you to vaccinate in the case of a pandemic and public health emergency which is what we are facing now.

I suppose you could refuse and be jailed or forced into a quarantine facility. But is this really a realistic alternative to most of the population that need to work for a living?? This is not fear mongering...this is a reality. Check the laws out. They are there. Hopefully they will never be put into action, but they ARE there.

This swine flu isnt a pandemic and it isnt an emergency. Every local paper/news source that is in my area is saying people are recovering from swine flu just fine....like it is mostly just like any other flu. Any MANY people will come down with it before the vaccine is even out, and this too will show that swine flu is much like the normal flu in terms of how people recover from it.
Their scaremongering isnt working.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by nataliachick7

This swine flu isnt a pandemic and it isnt an emergency. Every local paper/news source that is in my area is saying people are recovering from swine flu just fine....like it is mostly just like any other flu. Any MANY people will come down with it before the vaccine is even out, and this too will show that swine flu is much like the normal flu in terms of how people recover from it.
Their scaremongering isnt working.

I totally agree with you that it is nothing...but that doesn't mean anything when it comes to how hard the drug companies and the medical community will push this vax of the entire population....since when is what is medically recomended based on rational observation and sound science??

[nataliachick7]

ok good point!

[Pattyla]

I know that if you had the measles your nursling is protected by your antibodies but if you were vaxed for the measles your nursling is not protected by your antibodies. I don't know if it works that way for all vaxes but it certainly could.

Originally Posted by Penny4Them

Hi, I saw this article today from Dr. Sears regarding Swine Flu parties. http://www.askdrsears.com/news/headlines0909.asp
Although I am concerned by the swine flu vaccine, I was thinking about whether or not getting the vaccine myself could actually benefit my 3-month old thru bfing. for instance, if I got the vaccine, would that create antibodies that I'd give him via bfing and help my Ds if he happens to contract it?

Then I wondered, if I don't get the vaccine but I contracted h1n1 myself at the same time as my son, would I make antibodies that would help his body recover from the flu faster?

Anyone know the answer to this?

Penny

[lindberg99]

Originally Posted by nataliachick7

This swine flu isnt a pandemic and it isnt an emergency. Every local paper/news source that is in my area is saying people are recovering from swine flu just fine....like it is mostly just like any other flu. Any MANY people will come down with it before the vaccine is even out, and this too will show that swine flu is much like the normal flu in terms of how people recover from it.
Their scaremongering isnt working.

Doesn't pandemic just mean that the disease is spreading and is present on more than one continent? It is spreading worldwide. I don't think that calling it a pandemic implies that it is a particularly severe disease, just that it is spreading throughout the world.

[greenthumb3]

As for mandatory H1N1 vaccines, check your state's laws.

CDC 2009 H1N1 Flu Legal Preparedness: http://www2a.cdc.gov/phlp/H1N1flu.asp

NVIC: could you or someone you know be required to get vaccinated or be quarantined during an influenza epidemic?

http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-dis....aspx#required

As for what you and your family can do to be prepared (especially regarding school and mandatory vax), visit: http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-dis...x#preparedness

[A&A]

Ok this is scaring me:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13351853

............"crews of nurses that will go into schools and vaccinate students classroom by classroom"

Even if that doesn't make it "mandatory," I can certainly see there being mistakes in a rush to get the job finished.

[nataliachick7]

Originally Posted by A&A

Ok this is scaring me:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13351853

............"crews of nurses that will go into schools and vaccinate students classroom by classroom"

Even if that doesn't make it "mandatory," I can certainly see there being mistakes in a rush to get the job finished.

That makes my stomach turn. Luckily my son goes to a montessori and im pretty sure the director doesnt even vaccinate her kids so there is no way she would let that happen without informing the parents..
otherwise i would seriously keep my kid out of school for several weeks in october! that is just sickening!