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Sewchris:

 

Thanks for sharing that!  I don't know if my son has BPD, but it's good to know that if he does, there is a chance of him going on to lead a happy and normal (or at least close to normal, with some speed bumps perhaps) life.
 

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I don't mind talking about Erica and she doesn't either.  She views her mental illness as no different from the diabetic who has to take insulin.  I have told her how proud of her I am.  It takes courage to seek help for a mental illness like bipolar and to be open about taking medication for it.  She has held a full time job, lived on her own and is now the proud mother of 2 girls with her so of 12 years.  They have had a very up and down relationship, breaking up, getting back together, and going through couple counseling before settling down and having kids.  There have been periods when she didn't have to take medication.  But she monitors her emotions and when she starts down that road again, she goes back on them.  She is at high risk for PPD and both her and her dr monitor her closely.  She was able to nurse her first (while on medication) for over 18 months before she self-weened because Erica was pregnant.  Erica is now breastfeeding her 2nd and has decide to try out the sahm gig. 

 

Because of her (what we thought of at the time) her extreme shyness and very low stress threshold and her reaction to church and Sunday school (4 hours at church on Sunday morning) with teachers and kids that she had always known, we knew that she would not do well in a classroom setting.  She couldn't stand up to speak in front of the class and she never looked at who she was talking to.  And we didn't want to fight the school district over a misdiagnosis of ADHD, ADD, or learning disabilities.  None of which she had.  So we sidestepped the whole thing and home schooled her.  She did go to a Montessori classroom for 6th grade.  Then went to a classroom/home school combination (in school for 2-2.5 days, at home 2.5-3 days).  She did well in both situations.  In fact, she ran (and won) for class president in 9th grade.  And even gave a speech at 9th grade graduation, head down and white-knuckled hands gripping the podium in a death grip.  But she did it. One of the proudest memories I have of her childhood.  She went on and did 10th and 11th grades at the high school.  Decided to do independent study for her senior  year and finished the entire year by the end of the first semester. 

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A little update:

 

The last two days have been slightly better.  Sigh.  I actually had a few hours of enjoying spending time with my son.  How nice that was!  He has had only minor blow ups in the past two days, not major several hours long rages.  Thank GOD.
 

I got my son's blood results back today, and they were a little hard to read (format was off and it had weird exclamation points and spacing issues) so I am double checking with his doctor, but it looks like he doesn't have any problems with his lead levels or allergies.  She tested for celiac and several food allergies, including shellfish, milk, dairy, peanuts, and soy, I think.  It looks like everything came back well within the normal range.

 

I just had a thought.  I HAVE had my son vaccinated (though haven't completed his most recent vax set because I got more concerned about side effects), and he did have a severe reaction to the DTAP vaccine (twice).  His doc thought it was probably pertussis that caused the problem.  He had a 106 temp, if I remember correctly.  I wonder if he had a vaccine injury?  Could that cause behavior/brain problems?  Does anyone know anything about that?  I guess I should check that forum.  Is there anything that can be done, if that's the case?

 

I also just started him on Methylcobalamin B 12, which my acupuncturist recommended for my son.  She said it could improve his behavior in a matter of a few days.  He started it yesterday, so we will see.  We got these things called Revita Pops, which have this different form of b12 in it that's better absorbed.  I guess kids with autism use this a lot.  Since we are vegetarians, he could be low in B12, I guess.  I know that's an important one for brain function.

 

I am seeing the EMDR therapist on Monday, I think, and then I will start with my son.  I am hoping that between all of these things I will figure out something to help him. 

 

PHEW.  I am freaking tired.

 

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Sorry, this is a little outside my ken, but I wanted to suggest that you do a little research into methylfolate as well.  I am homozygous for a MTHFR genetic variant.  This is a type of thrombophilia (blood-clotting disorder), and means that I do not absorb folic acid well.  Folic acid, and B12 are both part of a methylation process by which the body gets rid of certain toxins.  I also need to supplement B12 and B6. 

 

In my research on MTHFR I ran into articles about autistic kids who needed to supplement with methylfolate (the type of folate I need to take) because their bodies weren't able absorb the folate found in usual supplements or in folate-enriched foods, etc.  Interesting that your acupuncturing recommended methylcolbalamin, and mentioned that kids with autism often take it.  Maybe those two supplements should be paired together???  It's something I'm going to do a little research on for myself (as I mentioned I already sup reg B12 but am interested in reading more about methylcolbalamin), and maybe you'd be interested in doing a little reading too (to see if methylfolate supplementation might be beneficial for your ds)?  I'll share if I find anything interesting.  :)
 

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A little update:

 

The last two days have been slightly better.  Sigh.  I actually had a few hours of enjoying spending time with my son.  How nice that was!  He has had only minor blow ups in the past two days, not major several hours long rages.  Thank GOD.
 

I got my son's blood results back today, and they were a little hard to read (format was off and it had weird exclamation points and spacing issues) so I am double checking with his doctor, but it looks like he doesn't have any problems with his lead levels or allergies.  She tested for celiac and several food allergies, including shellfish, milk, dairy, peanuts, and soy, I think.  It looks like everything came back well within the normal range.

 

I just had a thought.  I HAVE had my son vaccinated (though haven't completed his most recent vax set because I got more concerned about side effects), and he did have a severe reaction to the DTAP vaccine (twice).  His doc thought it was probably pertussis that caused the problem.  He had a 106 temp, if I remember correctly.  I wonder if he had a vaccine injury?  Could that cause behavior/brain problems?  Does anyone know anything about that?  I guess I should check that forum.  Is there anything that can be done, if that's the case?

 

I also just started him on Methylcobalamin B 12, which my acupuncturist recommended for my son.  She said it could improve his behavior in a matter of a few days.  He started it yesterday, so we will see.  We got these things called Revita Pops, which have this different form of b12 in it that's better absorbed.  I guess kids with autism use this a lot.  Since we are vegetarians, he could be low in B12, I guess.  I know that's an important one for brain function.

 

I am seeing the EMDR therapist on Monday, I think, and then I will start with my son.  I am hoping that between all of these things I will figure out something to help him. 

 

PHEW.  I am freaking tired.

 

post #464 of 494
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Hi Pianojazz:

 

I will ask my acupuncturist about that other form of folic acid!  Yes, do let me know if you find out anything interesting.

 

My son isn't autistic (I wasn't sure if you thought that or not), but my acupuncturist said she's had good results with other kids (also non-autistic) in treating behavior issues and explosive tempers.  I am just trying whatever I can think of!

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Oh yes, I know your son isn't autistic, but I found it interesting that the poor absorption of b12 was linked with autism as was poor absorption of folic acid, and that your acupuncturist said that those b12 supps could help non-autistic kids with behavioural issues.  Perhaps the methylfolate might be helpful for non-autistic kids as well.  Anyway, like I said, I'll let you know what I come up with.  :)

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I think that non "average" kids runs in my family.  My sister's 2nd paved the way for Erica.  He is 5-6 years older than Erica.  My sister gave me a lot of good advice on what worked on him.  He also was an extreme loner and stood off at family get togethers.  If he fell asleep on the living room floor, she couldn't move him to his bed.  She would leave the light on in the hall way, cover him up with a blanket, and leave him there.  I also have a grandson who is a highly anxious child (Joy's oldest) and her youngest is trying to out do Evil Knievel as a dare devil.  Matilda (Erica's first) has a lot of Erica's stubbornness.

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Wytchy:

 

Thanks for your posting.  I haven't thought about reiki for my son, but that might be something to consider. 

 

What is HCM? 



Herbal chinese medicine winky.gif

If you are interested, the distant healing network offers services for free. All you have to do is request and he'll be assigned to someone. You just say if you want reiki or prayers or whatever. Usually the healers there keep people on their "caseload" for a few weeks to a month or so, but you can resubmit requests as needed.

http://www.the-dhn.com/

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Oh yes, I know your son isn't autistic, but I found it interesting that the poor absorption of b12 was linked with autism as was poor absorption of folic acid, and that your acupuncturist said that those b12 supps could help non-autistic kids with behavioural issues.  Perhaps the methylfolate might be helpful for non-autistic kids as well.  Anyway, like I said, I'll let you know what I come up with.  :)

 

Hi Pianojazz:

 

I wasn't sure if you did or not, but just wanted to clarify that.  smile.gif  There are a lot of postings here with lots of info, so I wanted to make sure I was clear.

 

I would love to hear about what you find out, if anything.  I am going to continue the MB12 Revita Pops this week and I will post if I see any difference!

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Wytchy:

 

Thanks for your posting.  I haven't thought about reiki for my son, but that might be something to consider. 

 

What is HCM? 



Herbal chinese medicine winky.gif

If you are interested, the distant healing network offers services for free. All you have to do is request and he'll be assigned to someone. You just say if you want reiki or prayers or whatever. Usually the healers there keep people on their "caseload" for a few weeks to a month or so, but you can resubmit requests as needed.

http://www.the-dhn.com/


Thanks so much!  I went to a reiki healer once, and it was a little odd since she also did work with past lives and Native American shamanism, so I wasn't really prepared for what she told me as I wasn't quite sure what to think of it and it was kinda traumatic (she told me about past lives I had supposedly lived which included torture and execution!), but I know that's not typical reiki!

Do you do reiki?  I've done a lot of research on it and I think it's interesting and I am open to it.  I just wish my first experience was a little more normal! lol.gif

 

I would totally love to submit my son for that.  It can't hurt!
 

I have been taking my son to a school of Chinese medicine and acupuncture here.  He's just been a few times, and we just went again for the first time in a few months last week.  I am not sure I could actually get him to take any herbal medicines.  Getting him to take medicine is pretty much impossible.  He got MRSA a few months ago and was so resistant to taking medication in ANY form that he almost had to be hospitalized to get IV antibiotic treatment!  He is a challenging one.

 

I just went to the Chinese medicine clinic at the school today and I got to be the guinea pig for 50+ doctoral students, which was very interesting.  I have a hideous chronic skin condition called hidradenitis suppurativa, which they were interested in learning about.  It's genetic but didn't show up until after my son was born.  I have WAY too many stressful things in my life, but I am working on it. 

 

Sometimes I've joked that if there is such a thing as reincarnation (not something I really believe in, but who knows?), I must have been cocky or something when choosing my next life.  Sometimes I've thought maybe it's something like playing a video game where you increase in levels as you get more advanced, and the higher levels are more difficult lives.  What did I do . . . . say "Sure!  I can handle an 8 difficulty level?  Bring it ON!"  Ok, next time I think I will back down to more like a 5 or 6!  This has been a little more intense than I bargained for! 

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I sort of chuckled when I ready what you said about reincarnation, I do have to disagree though. I have seen parents and people who seem to get things so easily. Their kids are a dream. They life seems sooooooo perfect. Nothing bad ever happens. And then I see people like you and I, where it seems like life is a long continuous comedy (or tragedy) of errors. I honeslty truly believe that being challenged has nothing to do with a prior life, it has to do with the fact that we are strong and resilient people. The universe (and our own soul decision making) chose our life paths because we CAN handle what we have been through. It sucks, and at times it feels like you're never going to make it, but we still make it work somehow, and I believe deeply that not only do we and our children benefit from it, but I think there are others out in the world benefit from it too. We may not always know about it, but I do think it happens.

Anyway, as for reiki, yes you had a horrid experience. That most definitely is NOT what reiki is supposed to do, and no reiki or new age or shaman or whatever practitioner should be disclosing info about prior lives like that. If a person is interested in exploring prior lives, the role of a reiki person is to act in a way that will guide them to the info that the person already has, and then help them process it. Reiki by nature is designed to be calming and nurturing, It is a mothering energy. So definitely consider it for your son. I am a healer on DHN and have also requested healings for my own sons, and I have never had a bad experience.

As for vax injuries, they absolutely can cause behavioral issues. I can't remember if I told you this or not, but my younger son was injured by vaxes, primarily the flu vax but I believe that the DPT vax also played a role in that, and he reacted to the P part of the vax as well. I can give you more detaile if you want, but basically he had the P vax, had a reaction, then had the flu vax about a month later (November), Within a week his behavior began to deteriorate. Within a month he started losing his ability to speak. Things rapidly started to get worse. He was acting out at school, wouldn't talk for hours at a time, lost a ton of skills he had, etc...Starting in February after the vax he didn't say one word for three months. He didn't even make any sound when he cried. He was no longer potty trained at all, couldn't use utensils to eat with, became super duper violent at times, couldn't stand being around anybody by his father and myself, avoided other children like the zombie plague etc....He was 4 3/4 when it all started. He had already been diagnosed with autsim prior to this, but was definitely waaaaaay more high functioning than what he was at the peak of the vax injury. None of his doctors had any clue as to what to do about it. They ran all sorts of tests, scratched their head and called it "atypical" autism and there was nothing anyone could do. I told them to go F themselves, that it was the flu shot that caused this and they all knew it, and took my son to a naturopath. He put G on a GF/CF diet and high grade supplements. Within one month I had my baby back and he was speaking again. He still has loads of sensory issues that weren't around prior to the vax injury, but other than that he is recovered,

So short story long, noone really knows the full extent of what a vax injury can do. The mainstream medical world won't even investigate it because then the pHARMaceutical companies would be sued right out of business.

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Hi Bisou,

 

Just wanted to say the B12 can cause problems for some kids - I was giving it to my daughter, having heard good things about it and she just got wilder and wilder.  Hoping it helps your son, but wanted you to know.  Gfcf diet does help a lot of kids with aggression, also we have had  good success with a teeny sprinkle of lithium orotate, (over the counter, not the prescription lithium).

 

Wishing you the best.

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Hi Bisou,

 

Just wanted to say the B12 can cause problems for some kids - I was giving it to my daughter, having heard good things about it and she just got wilder and wilder.  Hoping it helps your son, but wanted you to know.  Gfcf diet does help a lot of kids with aggression, also we have had  good success with a teeny sprinkle of lithium orotate, (over the counter, not the prescription lithium).

 

Wishing you the best.

 

Hi Rainbringer:

 

Thanks for mentioning that.  I have noticed my son a little more hyped up at times, mainly around when he's taking the B12 (within an hour or so), but he has also been calmer and managing his behavior better at other times.  I am going to see how it goes but be aware that it might not be the right thing for him.  I am trying to give it to him in the morning when I am not trying to get him relaxed for bed or something. 

 

What is lithium orotate?  Never heard of that before.  Can you get that at a health food store?
 

post #473 of 494
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Wytchy:

 

I am pretty much joking about the past lives stuff, though my friends often said I must've been Mussolini or Hitler or someone awful in a past life because I have the WORST luck ever.  I have also been referred to as Job.  lol.gif 

 

I am the kind of person who (literally) has weeks like this:

 

  • Husband says he wants a divorce and moves out the same day.  (This was when I was 24, not recently.)
  • Start having horrible gallbladder attacks.  In extreme pain and can't stop vomiting.  Have to go to ER to get pain meds and have injections of meds to stop vomiting. 
  • I am a grad student, so this is all during finals week.
  • Hard drive crashes.  I am stuck in the college computer lab, sick, in severe pain, and sobbing, trying to write a final paper for a mean teacher who won't give me a break.
  • Come home from school, try to unlock door late at night.  Deadbolt comes out of the door with key and falls in a hundred tiny pieces on the ground!  I call soon-to-be ex and ask if I can stay with him for the night as I can't get in my place, and he says no.

 

Seriously, this was ONE week, and this isn't even the worst week I've had!  This was like a medium-bad week.  Ok, medium high badness.

 

Ohhhh, I wanted to write more, but son is crying and waking up.  Will respond more later, Wytchy!

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I am so sorry to hear of this difficult time you have been having.  I haven' t had a chance to read all the responses but absolutely understand not wanting to give your child psych meds.  Sensory issues can stem from Mitochondrial dysfunction, cerebral fol ate deficiency, yeast and/or strep overgrowth in the gut, food allergies/sensitives, sensitivities to artificial dyes, preservatives, sugars, flavors, and more...  There is a lot in the body that can be going on that should be addressed with blood, urine and stool testing.  If the child is reacting because something is not processing correctly in the body, are you looking to address that and heal it? I am not aware of any psych med that heals(I am not trying to be disrespectful to anyone with that statement).  Have you considered seeing a DAN! practitioner?  They are absolutely awesome at addressing these with many behaviors even all becoming within the behaviors expected for their age.  This book by Bock is outstanding at explaining what is going on with today's kids' bodies: Healing the New Childhood Epidemics Autism, ADHD, Asthma, and Allergies: The Groundbreaking Program for the 4-A Disorders    If you need the name of a great DAN! please let me know your area and I can get info on the closest one.

 

A DAN! saved my son, got language and behavior at age expectancy, attention span and more without the use of psych meds.  There is a lot you can do naturally, if you are interested.
 

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Hi Oceanbluemomma:

 

My son doesn't have autism.  Would you recommend some of those same things for a non-autistic child?

 

I agree with you that there are so many things in our world and environment that could be problematic.  When I think about all of the vaccines, chemicals, pesticides, antibiotics, etc in our society today, it's really scary.

 

I was actually taking Wellbutrin when I was pregnant (before I knew I was pregnant), and I have often wondered if that caused any damage to my child's brain or caused him any other problems.  I was also taking antibiotics (Minocycline, I think) when I found out I was pregnant.  I didn't find out I was pregnant until I was about two and a half months pregnant because I never have my period regularly, so I didn't think anything when I missed!

 

Anyway, there are so many scary things we are exposed to.  It's hard to know what could be affecting a child!
 

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I am so sorry to hear of this difficult time you have been having.  I haven' t had a chance to read all the responses but absolutely understand not wanting to give your child psych meds.  Sensory issues can stem from Mitochondrial dysfunction, cerebral fol ate deficiency, yeast and/or strep overgrowth in the gut, food allergies/sensitives, sensitivities to artificial dyes, preservatives, sugars, flavors, and more...  There is a lot in the body that can be going on that should be addressed with blood, urine and stool testing.  If the child is reacting because something is not processing correctly in the body, are you looking to address that and heal it? I am not aware of any psych med that heals(I am not trying to be disrespectful to anyone with that statement).  Have you considered seeing a DAN! practitioner?  They are absolutely awesome at addressing these with many behaviors even all becoming within the behaviors expected for their age.  This book by Bock is outstanding at explaining what is going on with today's kids' bodies: Healing the New Childhood Epidemics Autism, ADHD, Asthma, and Allergies: The Groundbreaking Program for the 4-A Disorders    If you need the name of a great DAN! please let me know your area and I can get info on the closest one.

 

A DAN! saved my son, got language and behavior at age expectancy, attention span and more without the use of psych meds.  There is a lot you can do naturally, if you are interested.
 

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Wytchy:

 

Thanks for sharing your story about your son's vax injury.  So sorry.

 

My son had some severe reactions to the pertussis vaccine.  It was pretty scary.  He nearly had seizures from it.  I have had really mixed feelings about vaccines because I know some of them have nearly eliminated diseases like polio, but I also think we've gone WAY overboard.  It's hard for me to know what's right or wrong when it comes to vaccines.  I definitely think we give kids way too many vaccines and way too many at once.  I've also read some information from one of the Dr Sears (I think one of the sons) who said that everyone is worried about mercury, but what he really worries about is the amount of aluminum in vaccines. 

 

I don't think anything to do with health or medicine should be able to be a money-making business.  It should all be non-profit only.  Pay the people developing the medicines a good salary, but no one should be making millions off of getting us to buy drugs or give our kids shots.  Seriously!  When profit comes into it that way, it can only lead to bad consequences.  It ends up with us all getting this distorted information and because they are making tons of money, we don't know who to believe.  I've seen very convincing evidence on both sides of the vaccine debate and it just leaves me thinking "I don't know WHAT to believe!" 

 

I know my son is due for his next set of shots and we keep getting these notices from the school that he needs to update them.  I don't know what to do.  I know I can give him the DTAP without the P, but I don't know what I even want to give him.  I can opt out for "religious reasons" or whatever they have you put on the form, but I am not sure what the right option is for us.  Maybe I need to do some more research.

 

I know that most of us grew up with vaccines, and I don't think we had as many problems as the kids today.  The prevalence of autism in particular is scary to me because I don't think it's just better diagnosis, as some people argue.  I think there is something going on in our environment or vaccines or something that is causing this increase in autism. 

 

Anyway, thanks for the detail and the remote healing link.  I will try that!

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I do understand your frustration but please understand that for over a YEAR you have been posting continuously about your child's awful mental state.  It's getting worse as far as I can see.  Nobody here is gung ho about psychiatric medications in general (I don't know where you are getting that) but it's very clear that really nothing you're doing is working and this is a child in severe distress.  Lots of people can identify with your situation because they have children or other loved ones acting similarly.  It's clear that you are working hard to find a solution but frustrating that you're not open to anything outside of your small corner of 'natural' solutions (do I even want to know what remote healing is?).

 

I wish your son all the best.  May he somehow find the help he needs before he does any more damage to himself or anyone else.  

post #478 of 494

Bisou do you live in a state that has vax exemption forms? I believe every state allows for exemptions, it just depends on what kind. There is medical, which would cover only one vax that the child is allergic to, and then there is religious or philosophical or both. I can't remember which state you live in, but if you want to PM me I can find out what the process is to get an exemption in your state.

post #479 of 494

D McG, remote healing is reiki. It can be done across distance. Perhaps you might be open to googling it, it's not as scary as you think it is :-)

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I do understand your frustration but please understand that for over a YEAR you have been posting continuously about your child's awful mental state.  It's getting worse as far as I can see.  Nobody here is gung ho about psychiatric medications in general (I don't know where you are getting that) but it's very clear that really nothing you're doing is working and this is a child in severe distress.  Lots of people can identify with your situation because they have children or other loved ones acting similarly.  It's clear that you are working hard to find a solution but frustrating that you're not open to anything outside of your small corner of 'natural' solutions (do I even want to know what remote healing is?).

 

I wish your son all the best.  May he somehow find the help he needs before he does any more damage to himself or anyone else.  

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