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post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 
We are preparing to welcome a pup into our family for the first time since having children, and since I am now quite skeptical of vaccines in relation to my human kids, I'm wondering what people's thoughts are about vaccines for dogs.

I am particularly concerned because I believe that our last dog (a boxer/shepherd mix) had an adverse reaction to the lyme disease vaccine (he ultimately died of kidney failure when he was only 18 months old, one week after our twins were born).

I realize that there are some things that dogs are REQUIRED to be vaccinated against, and that vaccinating pets is not necessarily the same thing as vaccinating human children, but I'm just wondering if there are any vaccines that people decline, or what the recommended schedule is for those who are generally vaccine-wary.

Thanks!

Lex
post #2 of 8
Personally I would do parvo and distemper for a puppy, then rabies when they are old enough. For sure stay away from any of the combo vaccs, they have a lot of stuff in there and the risk of a reaction goes up significantly.

One of my most trustworthy references is Dr. Jean Dodds, one of the vets involved in the Rabies Challenge. Here are her vaccine recommendations:
http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/DODD...-PROTOCOLS.HTM
post #3 of 8
There are many different ways to go, but I think the best is to find a vet who's care philosophy matches yours, and have the two of you make decisions together. Starting with a list of local AAHA hospitals will help, as will asking around in health food stores and with more alternative med people. Your vet should be your best resource for information, thats what you're paying her for =)

One of the advantages of vet medicine at the moment, is that titers have become far more mainstream. This means that with the exception of rabies which is legally required, you're not introducing anything via vaccine that your pet doesn't really need. I only vaccinate about a third of the number of patients as I did when I left school a few years ago.

I'm not in a high risk lyme area, so I don't routinely vax my dog for that. Lepto depends on the year, and where we are spending time.

(I'm not your vet, and this isn't medical advice)
post #4 of 8
Here are they AAHA vaccine guidelines. Most vets in my area are still doing yearly vaccines, but the AAHA says differently. http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocumen...s06Revised.pdf

I use this for my own dog, although now that she is getting older I'm considering not vaccinating at all except for rabies (by law), Lepto (bacterial, so immunity does not last as long, and my dog is at higher risk than others), and possibly bordatella, but only as needed to board.

One thing I did was research each individual vaccine and the disease it was supposed to prevent. Then I weighed the risks vs the benefits. Some diseases, for instance, my dog is at low risk to catch, or they are not life threatening, or they are easily treatable and not hard to diagnose. Those diseases I tend not to vaccinate for. Other diseases have high mortality rates, are widespread, are hard to cure, or often diagnosed too late. Those diseases I do tend to vaccinate for.

The other thing is too look at how effective the vaccine is, and what effect giving the vaccine has- Lepto, for instance, comes in a a few vaccines that cover varying numbers of strains, you can choose which vaccine you want administered- more strains, or less? It is also known for having a particularly high risk of side effects, particularly in small dogs, many small dog owners choose to skip it, other dog owners choose to give it as a separate vaccine (not in a combo) at a separate time from the other vaccinations. As far as effectiveness, there are vaccines out there that have low effectiveness, but are still being offered as necessary by local vets.

You also mentioned Lyme, you should know its an optional vaccine and many owners choose not to give it. I do not give it to my own dog for the following reasons- first, we have an effective tick prevention program in place. Ticks must be attached for 24 hours to transmit Lyme, my tick prevention kills within 24 hours, so there's low risk, even though my dog often comes home from hikes covered in ticks. Second, the vaccine is only partially effective- and the real kicker, vaccinated dogs will test positive for Lyme on some tests even if they do not have the disease. So my dog could still get the disease, but I will have a hard time knowing for sure if she's positive for Lyme, or if the vaccine is causing the false positive. Finally, its rarely fatal, easy to test for (in unvaccinated dogs) and treatment is fairly cheap- about the cost of the vaccine. For us, it did not make sense.

I would encourage you to look at all the vaccines, and do research on each one. Someone linked to Jean Dodds, she's an expert on canine vaccines, an excellent resource. Keep in mind that vets, like doctors, may push vaccines that are not necessary. You have the ability however, to request specific vaccines and schedules, and give only what you feel comfortable with.
post #5 of 8
You may notice the other thread I started when my puppy had a vaccine reaction. The vet lists her as a "vaccine reactor" now. I am considering how best to approach her vaccines now due to her reaction. I just feel lucky it wasn't something worse than it was! (Paralysis, death, etc)

I wish I had researched more prior to her vaccines, but am glad I still have the chance to make a better decision for her.

Wishing you the best in your research and decision!
post #6 of 8
I would definitely do parvo, distemper and rabies. After seeing our new puppy die of parvo, because of my ignorance, I will never skip those vaxes again. I do believe in delaying them as they get older. Luckily, my vet is in total agreement with my wishes and beliefs.
post #7 of 8
Parvo and distemper ONLY and rabies when they are older. I usually do a rabies when my dogs are 2 years old and I only give 1 shot each of parvo and distemper at no younger then 8 weeks. No boosters, etc. for life.

FTR, yes I know rabies is "law" but my dogs' health is more important then law. Where I live, it's law to do it every year which is ridicilous. Luckily I have a great vet that sees my pets anyways.
post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thank you so much for all of your replies. This is really helpful. It seems like the best thing to do is to search out a more holistic local vet. We went to a very mainstream place before, but had already decided not to go back.

I will go ask in the FYT forum.

Thanks!

Lex
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