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How do you de-program aggressive behaviors?

post #1 of 8
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Three issues:
1) Up until about 6 months ago, my 2.5 yo DS was not exposed to much aggressive tv at all (Curious George, Caillou). Little by little he saw more aggressive behaviors in movies (Tale of Despereaux, swordfighting snippet in Singing in the Rain, slapstick Three Musketeers, Chip & Dale/Donald Duck, about 10 min of Pirates in the appliance store , Aladdin...) Now, he has developed a thirst for sword fighting & dragon slaying.

At first, it seemed harmless enough. It's not like people go around toting swords to pick fights. We explained to him that he was not allowed to hit someone with a stick but to click their 'rapier' and to only poke/tickle the dragon. Unfortunately, he gets quite excited when playing this game and sometimes will hurt others. I've tried to explain to him not to hit 'for real' but he replies "I was just playing." I tell him "papa is not a real dragon, so you shouldn't hit him for real" then show him the difference between hitting for real and hitting the air.

What do I do in this situation? - playing aggressively with some hitting and questionable role play

2) Going hand in hand with this newfound aggressive play, I've noticed his reactions to others becoming more aggressive as well. He has a mild fear of other children he doesn't know (he seems to be afraid that they'll push or bully him - I saw one child push him down a slide but not much more; he used to be afraid when kids got on the playground equipment with him but he's actually gotten better about that lately !) so sometimes when he sees some kids down the street or at the park, he'll blow raspberries at them, pretend to bop them with a stick, or pretend to kick them from afar. When I ask what he's doing he says "they're yucky" and that he wants to "get them so they go away." Another thing he's been saying lately is that he wishes he would have brought a stick so he could hit so and so. For example, we had lunch with a friend who's 1.5 yo. She picked up a toy that he had put down and he had a minor fit and said he should've brought his stick . Later, she wanted to taste something off his plate and he grabbed his plate, practically hugging it, then reached over to try to hit her head. I pulled him back, he tried again and again. He had missed his nap that day, so I could understand his being easily frustrated, but his comments really upset me.

3)Finally, sometimes when DS plays with his friends he seems to be a bit bossy. It actually comes off more as him taking the lead as opposed to being a 'Bossy Bessy' though. My issue with that is that when a child doesn't do what he asks (either because he didn't understand him in the first place or because he simply wants to go in a different direction), he'll sometimes grab the other child with all his might to try and force him to do what DS wants. This is the kind of anxiety similar to when children bite. I think he knows he shouldn't bite another child but squeezes their arm, hand, shoulders instead. I guess I'm not sure what to do to help him with this issue. I'm not sure how much anything would sink in at the moment of anxiety, but I'm curious if there's anything I can do to help him in future conflicts.

I'm not sure if it's just a normal phase or if it has to do with the movies/DVD's he's been exposed to recently, but I do not want these behaviors to continue. Up until this point, he's been a very docile child. DH and I have discussed removing all DVD's that exhibit any level of aggressive behavior from DS's tv options. We will continue to redirect and try to model appropriate alternatives (putting words to feelings, casting a spell rather than slaying the dragon??). What else should we be doing? If anyone has any examples & strategies to share, I'd appreciate them as well.
post #2 of 8
I took away Spider Man as a TV option when DS started playing it CONSTANTLY with the neighbor boy and it was *always* ending up in the kind of play where somebody ends up really getting hurt. (Not seriously injured, but it's no longer "play fighting" either.)

He hasn't seen the show in a few months now and has not initiated this kind of play.

I also told him when he would try to start that game that he had a choice to play something else or come in the house.

Now, either because the show is out of his mind, or because I made it clear I wasn't going to allow it, the game has disappeared.

So I'm for eliminating any show or game that ends up being too rough when it's two kids involved. When it's adult-child, you might have a little more room to "let them win" (feel powerful) but I still wouldn't let them seriously hurt you. I think that's all they are looking for, a way to feel powerful...I don't see the harm in playing along as long as nobody REALLY gets hurt. (so if you are the dragon, "die" in wonderfully funny death scenes )
post #3 of 8
Lots of power play games where he gets to be in control of situations so he doesn't feel like he's little and out of control (at that age my boys loved the whole running away from me when its time to put clothes/shoes on, so you could plan extra time for getting dressed and "invite" him to run away (like by saying "It's time to put your shoes on, PLEASE, PLEASE, don't run away from me!), lots of movement (drums?) and outside play- games where he can throw (balls, for instance) and kick... new ways to play with sticks maybe? Such as in gathering them up for firewood to make a huge fire that scares the wolves away.

Maybe validate his feelings of anxiety/uncertainty about "other children"- talk to him more about how *you* deal with meeting new people you aren't sure of. I remember DS1 at about 3 or so acting similar, and I explained to him that if he isn't sure whay to say, he can always say "Hi, my name is __". That seemed to give him some reassurance, something he knew he could do. As far as when he has conflicts with other kids, like the 1.5 yr old, validate how he feels, give him an idea of how he can handle the situation in a positive way (even if he isn't ready to follow through on your suggestion, esp in the heat of the moment, I'm shocked sometimes by how my kids remember it the next time around) and just know you are not alone! But heck I'd rather see antisocial behaviours in my 2.5 yr old where they are developmentally appropriate than in my 12.5 yr old, right! It can be really hard to get little ones to play together "nicely"- certain personalities seem to be explosive and I usually find my DS's do way better with kids a few years older than them, than with their age or a little younger...

I tend to think what they are expressing is what they need more of, if my little boys are feeling rough and aggressive, they need to be rough and aggressive... but yeah we're about to go movie free here too because movies just don't help. It's natural for a child who is body-centered to want to "act out" what they are seeing as a way of processing it.
post #4 of 8
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Very helpful mamas! Keep the ideas coming
Very interesting theory about children needing to act it out physically in order to process what they have seen. I'll definitely keep that in mind next time I observe those behaviors!
Peaceful mama, it is so nice to hear that you had a positive result from removing influential media. It really gave me peace (no pun intended ) knowing that it can be eliminated or at the very least, reduced.
post #5 of 8
I would say that is is really, really normal.

We do know that typical children who act out in ways that we see are bad or aggressive are often times acting out their fears...slaying them in play. There is substantial evidence that even children who have never seen or heard of weapon play make their own weapons out of what is available to them. It is a way of processing and dealing with new information. It can feel very abrasive to our adult sensibilities but we must always remember that children do not yet have adult brains. They think in completly different ways than we do and we need to meet them where they are. The fact is that children don't talk through fears at 2 1/2 all that effectively...their brains aren't yet there in their ability to process and that can be very frustrating and even stunting to a child. I'm sure if you keep up validating your ds fears and talking to him, he will move out of this phase to a more verbal-processing phase because of your modeling.
Here are a few Mothering articles about play that will help and know you are doing a great job mama!

http://www.mothering.com/alternative...ng-weapon-play
http://www.mothering.com/bang-bang-youre-dead
http://www.mothering.com/soccer-can-wait
post #6 of 8
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Originally Posted by BathrobeGoddess View Post
I would say that is is really, really normal.

We do know that typical children who act out in ways that we see are bad or aggressive are often times acting out their fears...slaying them in play. There is substantial evidence that even children who have never seen or heard of weapon play make their own weapons out of what is available to them. It is a way of processing and dealing with new information. It can feel very abrasive to our adult sensibilities but we must always remember that children do not yet have adult brains. They think in completly different ways than we do and we need to meet them where they are. The fact is that children don't talk through fears at 2 1/2 all that effectively...their brains aren't yet there in their ability to process and that can be very frustrating and even stunting to a child. I'm sure if you keep up validating your ds fears and talking to him, he will move out of this phase to a more verbal-processing phase because of your modeling.
Here are a few Mothering articles about play that will help and know you are doing a great job mama!

http://www.mothering.com/alternative...ng-weapon-play
http://www.mothering.com/bang-bang-youre-dead
http://www.mothering.com/soccer-can-wait


Children from cultures without TV and movies still engage in aggressive play, probably based on the stories and oral traditions they are growing up with.

Trying to squash all aggressive play actually can backfire. It can push the natural aggressive behavior "underground," shift it to verbal/social aggression (this happens as a matter of course to girls in this country around age 3-4 -- prior to that, they are physically aggressive at the same rates as boys, but then they shift to verbal aggression and 'mean girl' tactics).

It seems to me that attempts by schools to prevent all aggressive play (and I don't mean fighting, I mean just roughhousing with each other for fun) are prompting boys to join the girls in games of verbal and social aggression. Every teacher I've talked to says they're seeing more and more instances of boys playing the kind of "I won't be your friend unless" games that used to be thought of as "girl meanness."
post #7 of 8
My DD is almost 4. We got her a foam sword. That way if she hit DH accidentally he didn't get hurt. She wasn't allowed to play swords with other kids until just recently. She was just too excited and couldn't play safe. Last time she played with the neighbor, a 6 year old boy, no one got upset or hurt. They seemed to be 'attacking' the tree a lot. It was probably a monster or something.

My DD is big for her age so we've reserved roughhousing as something you do with mommy and daddy except for the occasional kids who like to slide down the slide together. DD loves that. I've read that physical play is important for development. I don't think we should try to prevent it so much as try to teach kids how to play safely.
post #8 of 8
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DS has been getting better. We simply explained to him that we were not going to allow him to watch any television/images that were violent a.k.a. 'fighting' because we didn't want to teach him that it was o.k. to do that. He seemed to understand on a toddler level and be o.k. with that decision. Occasionally, he'll ask to see something and we had to explain that he was not allowed to watch that until he was older because of the "fighting". He then affirms our comment by saying "oh, o.k. It's too yucky. I'm not old enough to watch this."
We've been trying to decrease screen time all around and suggest he play or read when he asks for t.v. He may fight it at first, but then is fine with it. Yes, we do have to commit to offering our one on one time to read to him more and put aside chores or for DH, computer time, but he's asking for t.v. less and less!
He did have a relapse with a child in Art who he didn't know. He must have been looking at him funny combined with the fact that he hadn't had a good breakfast before class and that he was rushed out of the house. All that probably contributed to DS making a comment about wanting to hit him (??!!) He was definitely off that day, so I'm hoping it will not return.
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