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post #1 of 39
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The following is a letter to my doctor explaining my complaint and why we will be leaving his practice. Any advice? Should I attach or add any specific references? It might be a bit "mild" for some on this board, but I'm of the belief that you "win more flies with honey than with vinegar" and that Christians have no business taking or threatening legal action against one another (especially without exhausting other options). Also, it's a small town and the doctor is the parent of one of my students...



Dr. ____,

I appreciate the care that you have provided to T and I during the course of pregnancy, birth, and his first few months. However, I was upset and confused with T’s September __ well-baby checkup.

My main concern is that you retracted his foreskin without my permission. You also recommended that I should be doing this regularly, to clean underneath. This is directly opposite of the information I was given at the hospital when he was born, as well all information I have found from the AAFP and AAP, and health information in general. All the information I have found says that forcing the foreskin back is harmful. I was not expecting that you would do this, or I would have told you beforehand that you did not have my permission. It did not seem to hurt T at the time, although the tip of his foreskin was reddened over the next day or so, and that evening he seemed to be crying every time he wet a diaper. At first I thought he was just crabby from having shots, but I left him in a cloth diaper without a cover on so I could see when he was wetting, and the crying correlated to when he was wetting the diapers. Fortunately, whatever tearing or irritation may have happened seemed to heal up quickly and I have no reason to think it will cause permanent damage, provided I do not follow your advice to keep retracting for the purpose of “cleaning”.

I regret not saying something immediately, but my reaction time was too slow, and I wanted to triple-check my facts.

I was also confused why you would mention starting solid foods at four months, as the AAFP, AAP, WHO, UNICEF, WIC, and other organizations say that exclusive breastfeeding is best for babies, with complementary foods beginning at six months of age. It is my understanding that starting earlier than that is at best unnecessary, and at worst, empty calories (compared to milk), or increased risk of allergies or milk supply issues.

We have differed in our views on many things including how to calculate a due date, inducing labor, the role of breastfeeding in family planning, and when to introduce solid foods. I suppose many of those things are debatable, and as an adult, I can choose to ignore your advice, so I was not as concerned about them. However, actually doing something harmful like prematurely retracting the foreskin did upset me.

I would feel more at ease starting fresh with a new doctor and we do not plan to return to your practice at this time. Please cancel T's (date) appointment.

I know from experience that it can be strange to take constructive criticism from people outside your profession- sometimes they don’t have the lingo right and there is much they don’t fully understand. However, there can often be a helpful grain of truth to their observations. I respectfully ask, for the sake of your other patients, that you review and reconsider your practices and recommendations regarding the examination and care of male infants and children (those who have not been circumcised).

Respectfully,

(Name)
________________________________________________

ETA: As stated in a later post, I sent the above letter, shortened to only include my problem with the retraction. The resources I attached were AAP and AAFP websites, a childcare book, and one other one, I forget. I tried to pick things that were short and "mainstream" seeming.

Dr. tried calling back twice and didn't reach me. A month goes by.

Later, I ran into the doctor at an event. Since we were in a somewhat public place, we were limited in the length and vocabulary of our conversation, but basically he said:

1. I didn't do what those sheets were describing. "that" (retraction) is when you force it, and it bleeds. (me: but everything I've seen says never to do it, and that it is normally "attached" at that age). It just slipped back, which can be normal at that age.

2. I have to do "that" to check for malformations. (me: I'm not sure I believe you)

3. Well, find a doctor you are comfortable with.


So, it sounds like either I was wrong (don't think so because else why would my son have been in pain afterwards, it doesn't just "slip back" when I examined it afterwards, etc.), or my letter didn't get through to the doctor. He still thinks that he did a normal, helpful, good thing.

Now what? I have a bazillion things I wish I would have said (like, "how come he was in pain afterwards", "why didn't you ask before doing this", etc.).

ETA: Also see Post #32
post #2 of 39
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Originally Posted by BananaBreadGirl View Post
Dr. ____,

I appreciate the care that you have provided to T and I during the course of pregnancy, birth, and his first few months. However, I was upset and confused with T’s September __ well-baby checkup.

My main concern is that you retracted his foreskin without my permission. You also recommended that I should be doing this regularly, to clean underneath. This is directly opposite of the information I was given at the hospital when he was born, as well all information I have found from the AAFP and AAP, and health information in general. All the information I have found says that forcing the foreskin back is harmful. I was not expecting that you would do this, or I would have told you beforehand that you did not have my permission. It did not seem to hurt T at the time, although the tip of his foreskin was reddened over the next day or so, and that evening he seemed to be crying every time he wet a diaper. At first I thought he was just crabby from having shots, but I left him in a cloth diaper without a cover on so I could see when he was wetting, and the crying correlated to when he was wetting the diapers. Fortunately, whatever tearing or irritation may have happened seemed to heal up quickly and I have no reason to think it will cause permanent damage, provided I do not follow your advice to keep retracting for the purpose of “cleaning”.

I regret not saying something immediately, but my reaction time was too slow, and I wanted to triple-check my facts.

I was also confused why you would mention starting solid foods at four months, as the AAFP, AAP, WHO, UNICEF, WIC, and other organizations say that exclusive breastfeeding is best for babies, with complementary foods beginning at six months of age. It is my understanding that starting earlier than that is at best unnecessary, and at worst, empty calories (compared to milk), or increased risk of allergies or milk supply issues.

We have differed in our views on many things including how to calculate a due date, inducing labor, the role of breastfeeding in family planning, and when to introduce solid foods. I suppose many of those things are debatable, and as an adult, I can choose to ignore your advice, so I was not as concerned about them. However, actually doing something harmful like prematurely retracting the foreskin did upset me.

I would feel more at ease starting fresh with a new doctor and we do not plan to return to your practice at this time. Please cancel T's (date) appointment.

I know from experience that it can be strange to take constructive criticism from people outside your profession- sometimes they don’t have the lingo right and there is much they don’t fully understand. However, there can often be a helpful grain of truth to their observations. I respectfully ask, for the sake of your other patients, that you review and reconsider your practices and recommendations regarding the examination and care of male infants and children (those who have not been circumcised).

Respectfully,

(Name)
I would change this to you have no way of knowing if there has been any long term consequences. Though unlikely, there is the possibility of true adhesions in the future and natural separation being more problematic, etc. Obviously we all hope none of these things happen, but I don't think you should tell the Dr that what he did has all turned out fine, when there is still the possibility it hasn't.
post #3 of 39
I'm sure you will get a lot of good advices on the letter. I would, however, wanted to mention to you something that I with all my heart wish someone had mention to me back when I had my first child (I partually vaccinated him and now after nearly 4 years of research into the subject I regret it deeply). Since you mentioned shots, I would highly recommend researching vaccines. A good place to start is MDC Vaccination forum http://www.mothering.com/discussions...splay.php?f=47

Good luck with your letter!
post #4 of 39
Overall good letter, hopefully your old ped will take this new information to heart.
post #5 of 39
Thread Starter 
Thanks Yulia. I replaced the section you mentioned with:

Thankfully, he seemed happier the next morning; I’ll watch for any signs of infection and pray that no permanent damage was done. I hope it will heal fine if I do not follow your advice to keep retracting for the purpose of “cleaning”.

Yes, I've read up on the pros and cons of vaccines- for now I've decided that the risks of not vaccinating are greater than the risks of the vaccinations (I especially wish they'd do more research on the aluminum content). As a teacher I'm sure I take home many many germs from school. I'm glad to have the vaccinations forum as a resource, though, as I decide which ones and when.
post #6 of 39
I think your letter is outstanding. Good for you.
post #7 of 39
Good luck with the letter. I would consider trying to involve more people (if possible) than just the one dr... For example, if it is a group practice the head doctor should be contacted for the reason that you want to make sure the overall practices are reviewed and changed within the group and not just one doctor.
Jessica
post #8 of 39
I think you need to spell out the exact harms of retraction. Stating that it is counter to the recommendations of the AAP etc is very helpful but unless the doctor goes to those sources and looks up the info, s/he won't know the actual damage possible.

I also think somewhere in this discussion it is helpful to initiate a "lightbulb" moment with a comparison to female genital care. I want to ask every retracting doctor what they would think about a female baby leaving a well baby visit with torn, bleeding, irritated and swollen labial tissue - crying at every urination for several days? Would they think this appropriate or would they consider it assault or damage to her genital area? I think this sort of comparison could be an "Ah Ha" moment for someone willing to actually think about it.

I'll try to think out how to phrase something like that to go in line with the gentle tone of your letter.

There are also some great handouts on the intact penis development and the harms of retraction. INcluding them with your letter would be great I think. I hope someone comes along and posts some links for you. I'm handicapped with a sleeping toddler stretched across my lap. When I'm not doubling as a toddler bed, I'll look for you.
post #9 of 39
I realize you are leaving this practice and want to cover everything, but I really think that you should leave out the non circ related stuff.
post #10 of 39
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Originally Posted by PuppyFluffer View Post
I think you need to spell out the exact harms of retraction. Stating that it is counter to the recommendations of the AAP etc is very helpful but unless the doctor goes to those sources and looks up the info, s/he won't know the actual damage possible.

I also think somewhere in this discussion it is helpful to initiate a "lightbulb" moment with a comparison to female genital care. I want to ask every retracting doctor what they would think about a female baby leaving a well baby visit with torn, bleeding, irritated and swollen labial tissue - crying at every urination for several days? Would they think this appropriate or would they consider it assault or damage to her genital area? I think this sort of comparison could be an "Ah Ha" moment for someone willing to actually think about it.

I'll try to think out how to phrase something like that to go in line with the gentle tone of your letter.

There are also some great handouts on the intact penis development and the harms of retraction. INcluding them with your letter would be great I think. I hope someone comes along and posts some links for you. I'm handicapped with a sleeping toddler stretched across my lap. When I'm not doubling as a toddler bed, I'll look for you.


Here is a good handout to print http://www.kindredmedia.com.au/libra...ractions/401/1
I think that the coppy of the letter should be also sent to the administration (whoever is above the doctor, this will assure the doctor actually reads the letter).
post #11 of 39
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Originally Posted by Yulia_R View Post


Here is a good handout to print http://www.kindredmedia.com.au/libra...ractions/401/1
I think that the coppy of the letter should be also sent to the administration (whoever is above the doctor, this will assure the doctor actually reads the letter).
Thanks everyone for the help. I'm not sure if there is anyone "above" him- there are two other doctors in the practice. Do I send a separate letter to the other doctors asking them to discuss it as a group? I don't really know how the practice operates.

Do you think it is worth asking for a response (letter, phone call?). I know doctors are busy people, but I think this is important enough to warrant a response. Even Wal-Mart calls me back over my occasional disgruntled e-mails. However, I'd be a bit intimidated "debating" this over the phone with a doctor- what if he insists that he's right, or that my references don't apply to my son (even though I'm certain my son is perfectly normal).
post #12 of 39
I think that if you include enough credible sources of accurate care info for intact boys that they really can't "debate" it with you.

If you state that you are leaving the practice, my feeling is that they won't bother calling you but that maybe they will write you a letter thanking you for your time and info. Whether they will do anything with it constructive is another matter. Let's hope they will be open minded.
post #13 of 39
post #14 of 39
I agree that you should leave out the non-circ stuff. No need to mention things that aren't the root cause of your leaving his practice.

It would also considerably shorten the letter, and that's always a plus, since he may just skim it.

It's a good letter. I hope he has a "wake up" moment and realizes the harm premature retraction can cause.
post #15 of 39
Good letter, I would not have been as nice, but I respect your reasons for being kind. I would send along that article from the kindredmedia wedsite posted by Yulia R. One of the authors is attorney John Geisheker, who is the attorney for Doctors Opposing Circumcision organization. For no fee, he sends letters to doctors at parents request explaining the harm of forced retractions of little boys' foreskins. The attorney educates doctors and lets them know such actions can lead to malpractice. I would send the letter certified to your doctor in case the forced retraction does contribute to problems in the future such as scar tissue or true adhesions. You want proof that you notified the doctor of what he did during the well-check and the harmful retracting advice he gave to you (and presumably to all the other parents of intact little boys he treats). Good for you in helping save other little boys from harmful forceful retractions. I wonder how many parents over the years have followed his advice and the types and degree of damage that has occurred as a result !
post #16 of 39
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Originally Posted by Dev View Post
Good letter, I would not have been as nice, but I respect your reasons for being kind. I would send along that article from the kindredmedia wedsite posted by Yulia R. One of the authors is attorney John Geisheker, who is the attorney for Doctors Opposing Circumcision organization. For no fee, he sends letters to doctors at parents request explaining the harm of forced retractions of little boys' foreskins. The attorney educates doctors and lets them know such actions can lead to malpractice. I would send the letter certified to your doctor in case the forced retraction does contribute to problems in the future such as scar tissue or true adhesions. You want proof that you notified the doctor of what he did during the well-check and the harmful retracting advice he gave to you (and presumably to all the other parents of intact little boys he treats). Good for you in helping save other little boys from harmful forceful retractions. I wonder how many parents over the years have followed his advice and the types and degree of damage that has occurred as a result !
What does that mean to send it "certified"?
post #17 of 39
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Originally Posted by BananaBreadGirl View Post
What does that mean to send it "certified"?
Certified mail - at your post office. So he has to sign for it to receive it. Makes it more "official" and shows you that he got it, thus making a record of it.
post #18 of 39
Thread Starter 
I shortened it and took out the statements unrelated to the premature retraction. My husband said "well, that was the therapeautic (for you) part of writing the letter, now take out all the non-essentials".

I will be attaching the information I got from the hospital when T was born (very brief, but says not to retract to clean), info from familydoctor.org (since he is a family physicial, I'm guessing he might be a member of the AAFP, who runs that website), and maybe a few other things. Thank you for your help, and I will try to update if I get a response or have any other questions.
post #19 of 39
Thank you for taking the time to write him a letter! If all the parents who experienced this from their children's pedi or MD wrote giving them the correct info, we'd have a great many more foreskin friendly/knowledgeable physicians.
post #20 of 39
great job on the letter! could you please keep us updated???
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