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Kombucha and safety?

post #1 of 17
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Can you help set my mind at ease about kombucha?

Is it ok to slowly go through a bottle of Synergy (the store-bought kombucha since I don't yet have a scoby) over the course of a few days? How long will an opened bottle last in the fridge? (Btw, I'm not drinking directly from the bottle).

Also, is it ok for all ages? Do you limit it to a certain amount per day?

I had read on the WAPF site that it could be advisable to first drink beet kvass prior to starting kombucha. Does this imply that one should detox first? Is it ok for people with amalgam fillings?

Any information about overall safety, and situations when not to consume it are much appreciated! There's a lot of information about it online, but a dearth of reliable sources...which is why I love MDC
post #2 of 17
I don't worry at all about it going bad in the fridge in a few days. It has sat out at room temp for a month, so what else could possibly happen to it? I would think it would last an indefinite amount of time in the fridge. It just might start to taste vinegary after a while (like, months, I'm guessing)???

I've also been drinking it for a long time, so I don't have the same concern about detoxing first.

But I would like to know if anybody has info about amalgam. I have an exposed crown base that is silver, so that does creep me out a little.
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thank you!
post #4 of 17
I've also been wondering about this. I know you're not supposed to drink it while nursing (or at least start drinking it maybe???), but what about while you're pregnant?

My DH has an obsessive love for the stuff and I need to get more glass jars because I brew it fast enough and my DD loves it, but I would like to know when I can finally drink some too!
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by spring7790 View Post
Can you help set my mind at ease about kombucha?

Is it ok to slowly go through a bottle of Synergy (the store-bought kombucha since I don't yet have a scoby) over the course of a few days? How long will an opened bottle last in the fridge? (Btw, I'm not drinking directly from the bottle).

Also, is it ok for all ages? Do you limit it to a certain amount per day?

I had read on the WAPF site that it could be advisable to first drink beet kvass prior to starting kombucha. Does this imply that one should detox first? Is it ok for people with amalgam fillings?

Any information about overall safety, and situations when not to consume it are much appreciated! There's a lot of information about it online, but a dearth of reliable sources...which is why I love MDC
I suggest starting 1/4 cup at a time, increasing weekly. Kids can start with about the same. You can even dilute it with fruit puree for the little ones to acquire the taste. Some of my kids like it some don't- no matter what I put in it.

I've read that one should NOT drink it with amalgams while breastfeeding and or pregnant.

I started drinking it slowly when I was breastfeeding my 2 year old. I drank kombucha throughout my next pregnancy 3 years later- though I limited it to 1/2 cup a day for the first trimester. Just in case.
post #6 of 17
So, if you have fillings and are nursing, no Kombucha? Why?

Ami
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by homebirthy View Post

I've read that one should NOT drink it with amalgams while breastfeeding and or pregnant.
Well, crap.
post #8 of 17
About beet kvass first from WAPF...
According to some practitioners, this is evidence that the liver is very toxic and cannot handle the detoxification products that the kombucha helps release. In these cases, it is best to begin the detox process using beet kvass, which helps the liver cleanse itself. Usually after two or three weeks of taking 8-12 ounces daily of beet kvass, the kombucha will be well tolerated and can be drunk both for its good taste and medicinal qualities.

So, yes, it is to detox if very toxic.

I'm pretty sure I read about the amalgams and pregnant or nursing on this forum. I'll see if I can find it.
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by homebirthy View Post
...this is evidence that the liver is very toxic and cannot handle the detoxification products that the kombucha helps release.
What is?
post #10 of 17
Hmm, no links to sources about it being bad while preg/bf with amalgams?

So why is kombucha so bad? What about other fermented foods? Are they bad too?

I've about given up on this topic. I can't find anything bad about it, so I think I'm just going to start drinking some & upping my intake for a while.

Ami
post #11 of 17
about amalgams I think it ''mobilizes'' the mercury in them.....?? I'm not sure though, I started drinking it when my nursling was 13 or 14 months old. I did read about the detox and decided to go ahead anyways and just watch for any possible side effects. I started with a bottle here and there from the health food store $$$ YIKES!! I generally drank the whole bottle that stuff is tasty! Then I started making it at home I really haven't seen any problems. My 2 year old begs for the stuff, I do dilute it for him I love the way he walks around saying buchaaaaaa. My 10 year old who does have 1 amalgam filling has a glass on occasion also. Maybe mine isn't as potent as some that's fermented longer? I'm not sure but I love it!
post #12 of 17
I found this info not quite sure what to think of it
Pregnant, Nursing and children under the age of 4

I seem to be one of the few who do not recommend Kombucha Tea during pregnancy or breastfeeding or for babies under the age of 4.

Probiotics may be found in breastfed infants and help provide natural protection against many diseases. Most often, the bacteria come from two groups, Lactobacillus or Bifidobacterium. Within each group, there are different species (for example, Lactobacillus acidophilus and Bifidobacterium bifidus), and within each species, different strains (or varieties). A few common probiotics, such as Saccharomyces boulardii, are yeasts, which are different from bacteria. These probiotics may also be found within a typical kombucha ferment. However effects found from one species or strain of probiotics do not necessarily hold true for others, or even for different preparations of the same species or strain. Care and preparation of a kombucha ferment is more critical at this time. Wild and airborne bacteria and yeasts which may (probably do) inhabit a typical ferment and which does not present any threat to a healthy adult may be intolerable to those certain circumstances. Probiotics do have a long history without causing illness in people, and have recently been introduced in foods directed at helping certain disorders. However more information is especially needed on how safe they are for young children, elderly people, and people with compromised immune systems.

Probiotics' side effects, if they occur, tend to be mild and digestive (such as gas or bloating). More serious effects have been seen in some people. Probiotics might theoretically cause infections especially in people with underlying health conditions. They could also cause unhealthy metabolic activities, too much stimulation of the immune system, or gene transfer (insertion of genetic material into a cell).

From An Introduction to Probiotics http://nccam.nih.gov/health/probioti...ex.htm#formore

The American Academy of Pediatrics, has not issued recommendations for the use of probiotics; however, it does support their use on an individual basis in patients who may benefit from therapy. probiotic supplementation should be used with caution in children with indwelling CVC access, prolonged hospitalizations, and a recognized or potential compromise of gut mucosal integrity. The potential benefits of supplementation should be
weighed against the risk of development of an invasive infection resulting from probiotic therapy. Saccharomyces boulardii, which has been reported in some (not all kombucha ferments) show great promise in effectively treating infant diarrhea. However, I have received many calls of just the opposite effect (creating diarrhea), or rash and other typical side affects - from kombucha ferments. I have never received any calls from possible kefir (milk probiotic ferment). This may or may not be related to the strain of probiotic or the differences. There remains the possibility that probiotic consumption can cause infection and that individuals will respond in different ways to a specific strain. The health professional is in an ideal position to guide the consumer towards appropriate prophylactic and therapeutic uses of probiotics that deliver the desired beneficial health. Probiotics and their fermented food products are beneficial for health. Journal of Applied Microbiology ISSN 1 364-5072

One special concern is using "raw" honey, as honey is often used to ferment kombucha (or to make honey-mead) and also given to babies to quiet them. Clostridium botulinum spores in raw honey have resulted in infant botulism. As mentioned under-fermented or over-fermented probiotics are not harmful for a healthy adult but could be a risk for compromised individuals - or those in a weak and feeble state or those without their own immune system.



Clostridium botulinum symptoms

Double Vision

Droopy Eyelids

Difficult Swallowing

Slurred Speech

Dry Mouth

Muscle Weakness


Symptoms begin 18-36 hours after ingestion
Infant botulism is due to C. botulinum. The disease occurs in infants 5 - 20 weeks of age that have been exposed to solid foods. It is characterized by constipation and weak sucking ability and generalized weakness. C. botulinum can apparently establish itself in the bowel of infants at a critical age before the establishment of competing intestinal bacteria (normal flora). Production of toxin by bacteria in the GI tract induces symptoms. This "infection-intoxication" is restricted to infants. C.botulinum Survives boiling for over one hour.

Grows best in neutral or "low acid" vegetables (>pH4.5).

Another concern about giving kombucha tea - or any fermented food - is that the food be properly prepared. In investigations by Cornell University Food Science (cited above) and in the Minnesota Department of Aquiculture Pickle Bill Fact Sheet outlines those concerns and provide easy to use guidelines for home-made ferments.

My caution is that those guidelines apply to the average adult population and not to children under the age of 4 who are in a special class.

Children under 4 do not have a fully function system. It is still in the critical development stages and children should not simply be considered "miniature people". Where C.botlium or e.coli may not present as a threat to the average adult they may be a serious threat to an infant or small child. For example in Cornell's test kombucha tea was observed to be anti-microbial in their fermented samples containing 33 g/L total acid (7 g/L acetic acid). Yet e coli, will grow albeit slowly at acetic acid concentrations of 3–4 g/L. (R.Cortez Garcia, et al 2006). At what point does a home-ferment reach a safe stage? As described by the Pickle Bill a simple pH reading is usually sufficient. However they do caution that different fermented foods have different readings. And that the common paper pH strips are not recommended because they are difficult to read, suggesting that a digital pH meter be used. In our experience we have found that the pH range can be quite large and just relying on taste to be inaccurate. While taste (semi-sweet-semi sour, hint of vinegar, slight aroma) is acceptable for healthy adults it is totally an unacceptable determination for the safety of kombucha tea when given to children. Even the pH may be misleading as to the acetic acid content. For instance Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar lists acetic acid of 5.14 % with a pH of 3.075, while Cornell listed their average ferment of acetic acid of 0.07% with a pH of 2.5. Cornell also noted that the ferment should not be allowed to go overly long and where the acid levels may be too high. the CDC who investigated an Iowa women and kombucha tea concluded " Drinking this tea in quantities typically consumed (approximately 4 oz daily) may not cause adverse effects in healthy persons; however, the potential health risks are unknown for those with preexisting health problems or those who drink excessive quantities of the tea."

at this site
http://www.happyherbalist.com/browse...wing-Tips.html there is more further down in the tcm section.
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by leila1213 View Post
What is?

Sorry it's been so long....

The article was talking about symptoms of detox....
post #14 of 17
So I understand it's not recomended if you have amalgams. What if you don't and are pg and want to drink kombucha? Is there a risk of mc? I used to drink it all the time (i brew my own) and i haven't for a few months and am now at 4 weeks along and am scared to drink it b/c it hasn't been in my system in awhile. Is it not safe? Should I not be worried?
post #15 of 17
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According to some practitioners, this is evidence that the liver is very toxic and cannot handle the detoxification products that the kombucha helps release. In these cases, it is best to begin the detox process using beet kvass, which helps the liver cleanse itself. Usually after two or three weeks of taking 8-12 ounces daily of beet kvass, the kombucha will be well tolerated and can be drunk both for its good taste and medicinal qualities.
LOL. Note that they say "practitioners," not studies. It's opinion, not fact, so I wouldn't give it a second thought.

I've done extremely lengthy and intense detoxing fasts (try thirty days zero calories), and my liver was home to all the toxins of college dorm factory food at the time. The grand extent of symptoms I suffered from the released toxins were moderate flu like symptoms from about a week in until the end. I dropped a number of dress sizes, so it wasn't just the toxins in liver fat, but all toxins stored in any fat throughout my body. Other detoxing fasts that were of less duration but greater intensity (including some fourteen hour hikes) I didn't even notice the flu symptoms because I was so sore and feeling ill from the electrolyte loss.

As for kombucha and beet kvass, let's get real: it's tea, a breed of vinegar, alcohol, and sugar on the one hand versus beet, vinegar, alcohol, and sugar on the other. The folks advising against it during pregnancy are doing a CYA because of the minor alcohol content. It is highly acidic, which means it might erode anything in your mouth, including teeth, if overindulged in, so whatever mercury in the amalgam it releases will enter your system. I don't think I've seen any convincing evidence that any breed of vinegar effects how and what fats are metabolized, but I'm certain that you need to actually be burning the fat in order to release the toxins and simply drinking kombucha won't cause you to burn that fat, you need to be losing fat because you're spending more calories than you consume one way or the other. I wouldn't do that while pregnant or nursing because it's bad on the face of it to be losing fat during those times, nevermind what any released toxins will do, and the kombucha is a very distant third so far as concerns go.

ETA: I fully agree with the caution about certain probiotics and raw honey in small children, however. I do use raw honey in my white tea kombucha, but then I don't serve it to the 3yo because she can't get past the scent.
post #16 of 17
my kombucha is sweetened with agave but i used earl grey to make. i usually use green tea. i'm not sure if the properties in those teas change once it's kombucha. i'll have to ask around what people know for sure. i don't think it's unsafe but i like to have a second opinion.
post #17 of 17
All I know is that I've tried drinking kombucha on several different occasions. Without fail, my fibromyalgia flares up within a few days of drinking it, and then it takes at least a few weeks to fully recover from that. I don't have the same effect with beet kvass, no matter how much I drink. Nor do I have any problems with unfermented black tea.

As delicious as it is, I've come to the conclusion that my body just can't handle kombucha right now.
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