H1N1/Swine Flu Vax - October '09 - Page 31

[amis2girls]

this was posted today on http://www.cdc.gov/H1n1flu/update.htm

The proportion of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) based on the 122 Cities Report has increased and has been higher than what is expected at this time of year for four weeks now. In addition, 22 flu-related pediatric deaths were reported this week; 19 of these deaths were confirmed 2009 H1N1, and three were influenza A viruses, but were not subtyped. Since April 2009, CDC has received reports of 114 laboratory-confirmed pediatric 2009 H1N1 deaths and another 12 pediatric deaths that were laboratory confirmed as influenza, but where the flu virus subtype was not determined.

highest hospitalization rate is in children ages 0-4
and now widespread in 48 states

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by Penny4Them

The line in our city for H1N1 vax reminded me of the line at Best Buy to get a Wii a couple Christmases ago. It's generating a must-have phenomenon "Their hard to come by, so I better get one." Scary. I don't like to believe this urgency is ill-intentionally contrived, but I wonder.

I strongly believe it IS "ill-intentionally contrived"... they KNOW that a shortage of ANYthing increases demand. It doesn't matter if people want it or need it; if they think they can't get it for some reason then they suddenly have to have it. (Do a search for "toilet paper shortage of 1973" for a good chuckle)

This was no accident and if you have been following discussions on this topic since April (not just at MDC but elsewhere on the web as well) you might have come across these predictions months ago by those who have seen this strategy in the past. It looks like they were correct and the predicted "shortage" IS now upon us! No great surprise. A rather enlightening, although disheartening, experience to see how this has all played out. The masses are so in the dark it is a bit depressing sometimes.

There were quite a few polls showing the majority of people were NOT planning on getting their H1N1 shot... I am sure the "shortage" is just another effort to increase demand.

Just read a news story today about the profits generated by one company alone for this vaccine...

Sanofi expected H1N1 vaccines to add about $500 million to its sales in the fourth quarter

http://www.reuters.com/article/ameri...44366620091030

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by salsero96

Hello everyone... i do not post here often, but I frequently browse the posts here. I searched for some more info about Evan Frustaglio who died after getting the flu. I found this article:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...so-be-ill.aspx


What stood out to me in this article was this quote:


So I looked up Gravol and it appears to be Dramamine which is usually given for motion sickness. There are lots of side effects of the drug and I'm not sure if there are any contradictions.. But what really caught my eye was that they said that they got Gravol as well medication to control his fever... and I remembered reading an article stating that the use of NSAIDs will increase the chance of death of flu. The article also claims that the high H1N1 death rate in Mexico was due to the use of NSAIDs

http://archive.constantcontact.com/f...758254596.html

Maybe this had something to do with his unfortunate death.

-
Robert

I think this is a really good point (sometimes the treatment is worse than the disease), as is the other posters who commented on the fact that this boys symptoms lined up with meningitis (stiff neck, nausea, etc) and NOT the flu. Perhaps he had both and they missed the more serious of the two - you DON'T have time to waste with bacterial meningitis- was it suspected? Was he tested for it? It sounds like someone screwed up and they are laying the blame on an easy scapegoat H1N1, thinking nobody will question it. Over a hundred thousand Americans die each year from medical errors. I don't believe for one minute that it was "H1N1" that killed this "perfectly healthy" child. What role did Gravol and fever lowering medications play? Did he actually have (or additionally have) meningitis that went untreated? Too many unanswered questions, and I also have to wonder his vax status as well, was he a fully vaxed child, what does his vaccine history look like?

What I'd really like to see (and I know it will NEVER happen) is out of the children who allegedy died thus far of "H1N1" how many of those were unvaccinated children? How many were partially vaccinated, how many were fully vaxed according to schedule?

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Gary Null YouTube video
Speaking Out at the NYS Assembly Hearing exposing the lack of science for vaccine safety and efficacy.




(if you fast forward past the first very dry 2 minutes, he becomes MUCH more eloquent, articulate and animated!) (part 2 and 3 display when done)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XlJ...layer_embedded

Pat

I watched all 3 parts and loved it... thank you for posting.


On another note, I found a story from 2006 (3 years ago) that was rather interesting. Researchers "have combined bird and human flu viruses in order to create a pandemic strain."

http://scitizen.com/stories/Bird-Flu...s-reassuring-/

[ashtonsmom04]

I've been lurking for a couple weeks on this thread now. I couldn't take it any longer, I had to register just to say THANK YOU!! I have received SO MUCH useful information it's unbelievable! I bet I check this thread 10 times a day. I definitely agree with some previous posters about that Gary Null video....a definite must see! I've passed it on to other boards I frequent and some familyl. I just wish I had the guts to post it on FB! Thanks again everyone.

[MaterPrimaePuellae]

Originally Posted by 2boyzmama

H1N1 Nasal Mist quandry

My 4 year old's school is giving H1N1 vaccines next week. I made it very clear that he was not to receive one, and I plan on coming to school that day to ensure he doesn't get one (luckily I'm home on maternity leave, so I can show up!) BUT, I just learned that they switched from the vaccine to the nasal mist.

This is a concern because my 2 year old son has an immune deficiency, and I have a newborn. It's really only my 2 year old that I'm concerned about. He is currently on antibiotics because he has pneumonia secondary to a "flu-like illness" we all had recently (the dr is calling it H1N1 even though none of us were tested, grrr!) Because of his immune deficiency, he likely has not gained much if any immunity to whatever strain of virus he had, so it is possible for him to still be susceptible.

I am considering keeping my 4 year old home from school since the whole school will be getting the nasal mist, but I know that it is possible for people to shed the live virus for up to 2 weeks. I can't keep him home for two weeks!! I think it's ridiculous that the school is giving the mist, the majority of students are going to be mildly ill shedding the virus now, what a smart move that was school district!!!

SO...WWYD?? I know that viruses are everywhere, and I don't usually go out of the way to avoid exposure (we just wash hands, breastfeed a lot, eat healthy, and weather any illness that does hit). But in this case, my 2 year old already is sick, what immune system he has is already compromised not just from the virus and the secondary pneumonia, but also from the antibiotics he's on. Normally I would keep him away from large groups until I was sure he was well again. So how do I handle my 4 year old being around all his classmates who will potentially be shedding H1N1 all at the same time??

I would definitely keep him home... I mean, if you're home anyway. I don't see how a 4 year old is going to miss much of import or "get behind."

Originally Posted by newmum35

I strongly believe it IS "ill-intentionally contrived"... they KNOW that a shortage of ANYthing increases demand. It doesn't matter if people want it or need it; if they think they can't get it for some reason then they suddenly have to have it. (Do a search for "toilet paper shortage of 1973" for a good chuckle)

This was no accident and if you have been following discussions on this topic since April (not just at MDC but elsewhere on the web as well) you might have come across these predictions months ago by those who have seen this strategy in the past. It looks like they were correct and the predicted "shortage" IS now upon us! No great surprise. A rather enlightening, although disheartening, experience to see how this has all played out. The masses are so in the dark it is a bit depressing sometimes.

There were quite a few polls showing the majority of people were NOT planning on getting their H1N1 shot... I am sure the "shortage" is just another effort to increase demand.

Just read a news story today about the profits generated by one company alone for this vaccine...
http://www.reuters.com/article/ameri...44366620091030

Does anyone know how the gov't is paying Pharma? was there just a contract for 'as many as you can make," or is the gov't going to pay them per vaccine administere?

[Penny4Them]

Tenpenny on Dr. Oz's show

Did anyone happen to catch Dr. Oz's show this week about the 4 vaxes every woman must have? Dr. Tenpenny was on--albeit briefly? He actually got the H1N1 vax on his show. They had an OB/GYN doc promoting the vax, and then before introducing Tenpenny, Oz said "We like to show both sides of an issue." She said like 2 sentences the entire segment: Was very calm and collected, but unfortunately not able to tap the real issues. If I were her, I would've been upset about it, but at least she was there and anyone with curiosity would google her and find her site. She did a great job considering she only had a few seconds to speak. I was really pleased Oz had her on. I remember seeing a vid where he said his wife wasn't going to let his kids get the h1n1 vax, so I thought it was really interesting that he did it on air. He said something like 51% of people said they weren't going to get the vax. The other doc (name escapes me) said that 6 people a day die from H1N1 in the US, whereas the other seasonal flu claims 300 lives a day during flu season. She was plugging the H1n1vax for PG women. Tenpenny didn't have a chance to rebut.

Also, Tenpenny's has some great info about h1n1 vax and callouts from the package insert that disturbed me:
http://drtenpenny.com/default.aspx

Scroll down for papers on flu vax in PG.

Penny4Them

[Juvysen]

Presumably US. someone IMed me with that information.

[inchwormz]

Originally Posted by Penny4Them

The other doc (name escapes me) said that 6 people a day die from H1N1 in the US, whereas the other seasonal flu claims 300 lives a day during flu season.

Does anyone have a source for this information? I think it's pretty important considering the mass hysteria currently exploding here in Canada. It might help put a few things into prospective.

Just to keep this on topic, I really liked the CNN video with Dr. Oz where he mentioned his wife and kids would not be vaxed. I think that was pretty telling.

[mamakah]

Originally Posted by inchwormz

Does anyone have a source for this information? I think it's pretty important considering the mass hysteria currently exploding here in Canada. It might help put a few things into prospective.

Just to keep this on topic, I really liked the CNN video with Dr. Oz where he mentioned his wife and kids would not be vaxed. I think that was pretty telling.

I was watching the Oz show and the OB/GYN never gave any source for the scary stats she was throwing out. The pro vax side never has to and never does! I found it deeply disturbing how she pushed and pushed the vax for pregnant women. I watched "The doctors" the other day. Oh Man! They were just spewing things that didn't even make sense and people were just lapping it up. The poor audience members were practically in tears they were so scared. I used to respect dr oz cause he was so focused on nutrition and not so much on "a pill for every ill". This little vaccine kick that he's on (which I believe he is being forced to do because of some unnamed (ahem big pharma) force putting on the pressure) makes me want to give him a good "COME TO YOUR SENSES!" slap.

[not_telling]

Originally Posted by amis2girls

this was posted today on http://www.cdc.gov/H1n1flu/update.htm



highest hospitalization rate is in children ages 0-4
and now widespread in 48 states

I'm wondering....with the regular seasonal flu, in which populaions is the hospitalization rates the highest? Elderly and those under 2? So it wouldn't be abnormal for 0-4's to have the highest hospitalization rate, right?

It seems like most of the pediatric deaths so far have been in school-age kids (older than 0-4) - am I correct about this? I'm just recalling the CDC weekly flu report from a couple weeks ago.

As a mom of a 15 month old (and no other kids), I'm wondering if my child is at much less of a risk of catching H1N1.

[purslaine]

Originally Posted by inchwormz

Does anyone have a source for this information? I think it's pretty important considering the mass hysteria currently exploding here in Canada. It might help put a few things into prospective.

Just to keep this on topic, I really liked the CNN video with Dr. Oz where he mentioned his wife and kids would not be vaxed. I think that was pretty telling.

As far as I know H1N1 or suspected H1N1 has been implicated in 7 or 8 deaths of those under 18 in 2009 in Ontario.

In contrast, seasonal flu kills 2 or 3 people under 18.

It isn't the death stat overall that people are scared of - it is who it is killing...preganant people, young people, etc that has folks running scared.

Kathy

[Murihiku]

Originally Posted by newmum35

I don't believe for one minute that it was "H1N1" that killed this "perfectly healthy" child. What role did Gravol and fever lowering medications play? Did he actually have (or additionally have) meningitis that went untreated? Too many unanswered questions, and I also have to wonder his vax status as well, was he a fully vaxed child, what does his vaccine history look like?

A semantic question: when you say "I don't believe it was H1N1" do you mean you don't have enough evidence to believe that it was (it might have been, it might not have been), or that you believe it certainly wasn't?

If the latter, how can you come to any conclusion when there are "too many unanswered questions"?

Another question: if the child had received the vaccine three weeks before he fell ill, do you believe he would be dead today?

And to answer one of your questions: I read that the family were going to get the vax when available, thus I would guess that Evan had received the usual chidlhood vaccinations. But I do believe it's perfectly possible that he might be totally unvaccinated too, since I'm only making a guess, not drawing a scientific conclusion.

[Lia & Eva's Mama]

Is it possible to vaccinate a child without the parents present?
I'm freaked out because i think my mom is going to take the girls.

[mamakah]

Originally Posted by Lia & Eva's Mama

Is it possible to vaccinate a child without the parents present?
I'm freaked out because i think my mom is going to take the girls.

Can you avoid letting your mom around them? with all these mass vax clinics, I'm sure its very easy to just walk in and get a kid vaxed. Its not like the medical community recognizes vax as a risky medical procedure. they will just be happy that someone wants to "protect" the kids. I would put the fear of god in my mom if she even hinted at doing something like this behind my back.

[mamakah]

Originally Posted by newmum35

I think this is a really good point (sometimes the treatment is worse than the disease), as is the other posters who commented on the fact that this boys symptoms lined up with meningitis (stiff neck, nausea, etc) and NOT the flu. Perhaps he had both and they missed the more serious of the two - you DON'T have time to waste with bacterial meningitis- was it suspected? Was he tested for it? It sounds like someone screwed up and they are laying the blame on an easy scapegoat H1N1, thinking nobody will question it. Over a hundred thousand Americans die each year from medical errors. I don't believe for one minute that it was "H1N1" that killed this "perfectly healthy" child. What role did Gravol and fever lowering medications play? Did he actually have (or additionally have) meningitis that went untreated? Too many unanswered questions, and I also have to wonder his vax status as well, was he a fully vaxed child, what does his vaccine history look like?

What I'd really like to see (and I know it will NEVER happen) is out of the children who allegedy died thus far of "H1N1" how many of those were unvaccinated children? How many were partially vaccinated, how many were fully vaxed according to schedule?

I would love to know this too. I think its safe to say that if a child died whos parents didn't believe in vax, the media would go nuts. We would hear "CHILD DIES OF H1N1. PARENTS DON'T BELIEVE IN VACCINATION!!!!" everywhere. It is my opinion (and just that, no evidence to back it up) that these kids were all vaxed and treated with traditional otc drugs for fever and symptoms.
This is also an anecdote, but my neice is 3. She has a slimy runny nose and cough everytime I see her, she is around second hand smoke often, eats nothing but fast food, was drinking cans of coke by the age of 2, eats tons of candy and sugar everyday,never had a drop of breastmilk (or colostrum), was put on some prescribed anti acid medication at 3 days old for spitting up, has had whooping cough even though fully vaxed, and had a rough time with RSV last winter (my son was around her and never came down with anything more than a 10 hr fever). At her 2 yr well child checkup, she was given the "completely healthy" stamp of approval from her ped. I can't help but think of that when the media says "healthy child dies from H1N1".

[Fyrestorm]

Originally Posted by Lia & Eva's Mama

Is it possible to vaccinate a child without the parents present?
I'm freaked out because i think my mom is going to take the girls.

Take a sharpie...write NO VAX on both of their arms before they leave the house with your mother!

[Lia & Eva's Mama]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

Take a sharpie...write NO VAX on both of their arms before they leave the house with your mother!

I read that on here....But pertaining to schools. A very good idea indeed!!

Its a great idea great, Then i don't have to talk to my mother, we do not see eye to eye, neither of us will bend on the subject of Vaccination. We grew up in communist Europe and the vaccines we all received were most likely tainted, they used the needle a ton of times before sterilizing (which the sterilization wasn't at all adequate) Anyways they pushed Vax like mad brainwashed my family for years and years...So i Wish i could open my mom's eyes and let her see that injecting poison is never a good idea IMO
Really love my mom...... and LOVE her for taking my girls every saturday night since they were born...upon her insistence, The babies came at a great point in her life....The girls connected us for the first time in years.

Sooo i just write no vax at the injection site?, And Sharpie....Do they wash off??

If my Mom did go behind my back....well she'd never see us again..

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by mamakah

I would love to know this too. I think its safe to say that if a child died whos parents didn't believe in vax, the media would go nuts. We would hear "CHILD DIES OF H1N1. PARENTS DON'T BELIEVE IN VACCINATION!!!!" everywhere. It is my opinion (and just that, no evidence to back it up) that these kids were all vaxed and treated with traditional otc drugs for fever and symptoms.
This is also an anecdote, but my neice is 3. She has a slimy runny nose and cough everytime I see her, she is around second hand smoke often, eats nothing but fast food, was drinking cans of coke by the age of 2, eats tons of candy and sugar everyday,never had a drop of breastmilk (or colostrum), was put on some prescribed anti acid medication at 3 days old for spitting up, has had whooping cough even though fully vaxed, and had a rough time with RSV last winter (my son was around her and never came down with anything more than a 10 hr fever). At her 2 yr well child checkup, she was given the "completely healthy" stamp of approval from her ped. I can't help but think of that when the media says "healthy child dies from H1N1".

And i don't think that's honestly so far from the norm. maybe it's crystal light instead of coke... or you know, normal HFCS-laden juice... No joke, once I heard a kid ask her mother for a coke, and her mother said "ok, but make sure it's diet!" (who knows, maybe the kid was diabetic? just struck me as weird)

But then I worry that I'm giving myself the very same false sense of security (since we eat more wholesome, non-pre-packaged food, I guess) that vaccinating gives others... Hard to know how much it's realistic to rely on it, I guess?

[lsomsel]

H1N1 spread

Who else thinks Halloween is a great way to spread a ton of germs, particularly H1N1, to kids all over town?

Larisa