H1N1/Swine Flu Vax - October '09 - Page 32

[brennasmom]

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/67994127.html

Lines for vaccine today

[nataliachick7]

My son is with my ex this weekend, and I am just terrified he will vax him behind my back. My ex is a firefighter/paramedic and I know the medical community is around so much vaccine propaganda all the time so it really worries me.
Also, yes, today is a perfect day for spreading H1N1 (trick or treating)

[jeanine123]

Originally Posted by lsomsel

Who else thinks Halloween is a great way to spread a ton of germs, particularly H1N1, to kids all over town?

Larisa

Not at all. I refuse to buy into the paranoia on either side of the coin.

[13Sandals]

Originally Posted by jeanine123

Not at all. I refuse to buy into the paranoia on either side of the coin.

me too... however, Halloween (spent trick or treating) is a GREAT way to load kids up on sugar, making it harder for the immune system to function - right as flu season starts! If there is a holiday worse for kids' health - I can't think of it!

[13Sandals]

Originally Posted by MaterPrimaePuellae

Does anyone know how the gov't is paying Pharma? was there just a contract for 'as many as you can make," or is the gov't going to pay them per vaccine administere?

our US gov has paid out for orders of vaccine. doesn't matter if they get administered or not, big pharma gets paid for doses they deliver. however, you can imagine what an embarrassment it is for our gov to have left over vaccine of flu or swine flu, taxpayer money and all...

[13Sandals]

Originally Posted by amis2girls

this was posted today on http://www.cdc.gov/H1n1flu/update.htm



highest hospitalization rate is in children ages 0-4
and now widespread in 48 states

US kids seem to be having trouble. How can this be when overall, the southern hemisphere has had an extremely mild flu season? Remember, Australia had 186 deaths instead of the usual 2-3 thousand. One explanation for the US problem could be too much tamiflu and panicky hospitalizations. a large number of the 'swine flu' pediatric deaths have been from bacterial infections and some MRSA's (deaths resulting from complications of swine flu)...some of these kids are picking up these bacterial infections IN the hospitals when they should probably be home resting.

not to mention those who have died from not being treated properly because docs assumed it was swine flu. I wager more kids are dying from swine flu hype than the swine flu itself. sorry, these pediatric deaths are awful - but its really hard to tell what's really going on here.

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by 13Sandals

US kids seem to be having trouble. How can this be when overall, the southern hemisphere has had an extremely mild flu season? Remember, Australia had 186 deaths instead of the usual 2-3 thousand. One explanation for the US problem could be too much tamiflu and panicky hospitalizations. a large number of the 'swine flu' pediatric deaths have been from bacterial infections and some MRSA's (deaths resulting from complications of swine flu)...some of these kids are picking up these bacterial infections IN the hospitals when they should probably be home resting.

not to mention those who have died from not being treated properly because docs assumed it was swine flu. I wager more kids are dying from swine flu hype than the swine flu itself. sorry, these pediatric deaths are awful - but its really hard to tell what's really going on here.

I think this is an excellent point. Especially considering how all the pro-vax experts are shouting how GREAT it is that the virus didn't mutate (so the vax still works)... if that's the case, why is the US having a harder time than "normal" when australia had an easier time than normal?

And if their answer is that the virus changed, then what's the point of the vaccine?

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by 13Sandals

Does anyone know if a certain percentage of the population is assumed to have pre-existing immunity to seasonal flu strains? I'm wondering because I keep reading that swine flu is so terrible because no one (at least the young) have no immunity. And when no one has immunity, it can cause a 'pandemic'. But aren't we told every year that no one has immunity to the seasonal flu strains, that they mutate too quickly and no one will have protection against it? Isn't that why the world vaccinates every year for every flu season?

So which is it? Do we retain protection, even cross-protection after exposure to the flu for our lifetime? And if so, do we really need yearly flu vaccines? If not, why are they trying to tell us that the older population isn't being hit as hard with H1N1 because they've been exposed to something close to it before? And how could that be, since H1N1 is so 'novel'?

Yes, there is always a percentage of the population assumed to have pre-existing immunity to seasonal flu strains... I read an article on this a month or so ago, I can't recall if it was 20% of the population "at risk" at any given time or if that was the number for not at risk lol ... couldn't find the article for you, sorry, and I could even be wrong about that quote!

Anyway, this is why we don't have a "pandemic" every single year because a large # of people simply won't fall ill, even if exposed. With a "pandemic" the majority of the population has not been previously exposed to the pandemic strain, thus, everyone is "at risk."

Even for this particular "novel 2009" swine flu pandemic, one third of people over 60 already have pre-existing antibodies, so you know they were exposed to a similar flu decades ago! (this is the beauty of "natural" immunity vs "artificial" or temporary vaccine immunity, which would have long since worn off!)

http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-dis...aspx#wholikely

Who Is More Likely To Get Swine Flu?

One third of adults over 60 years of age have been found to have protective antibodies to the H1N1 swine flu virus because they were exposed to H1N1 influenza viruses circulating in influenza epidemics in past decades.

The majority of lab confirmed cases of swine flu in all countries have been in adolescents and young adults under age 30.

Here is another interesting link:

http://www.news.ucdavis.edu/search/n....lasso?id=9255


As far as why "they" say that everyone has to get seasonal flu vaccines every year, that's just hogwash. Why don't they test the blood of everyone first to determine who really needs the vaccine? (answer: they'd sell less vaccine!) Of course, they want to give it to everyone they possibly can, regardless of whether or not they actually "need" it. Of course, as we all know there is more to immunity than "antibodies" in the blood anyway, but that would certainly be a good start, if "they" were genuinely interested in our health.

We definitely don't need yearly flu vaccines, in fact those that get them every year (assuming they work) are setting themselves up for problems in the future, when they grow older and will be vulnerable to flu-related complications. We are supposed to get flu when we are young and healthy and are not likely to die from it and can build up immunity to future "similar" strains!

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by 13Sandals

US kids seem to be having trouble. How can this be when overall, the southern hemisphere has had an extremely mild flu season? Remember, Australia had 186 deaths instead of the usual 2-3 thousand.

Links to these facts would be especially helpful, if you have any please share. That is a really good point too, since the winter in the Southern hemisphere is drawing to a close. Would love some links of statistics in these countries comparing this winter with previous winters, and the fact this winter was actually more mild than previous ones!

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by Stella_luna

Please talk to me about the nasal mist. The school is going to be administering this soon to kids *with parents' consent.* Of course, DD will not be getting the shot, but is the nasal mist bad too? There are no preservatives, right? So id it OK? Please educate me. I'm starting to worry about H1N1 after a summer of talking people down about it and talking them out of getting the shot . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkutU1WdK9A

http://www.*********/a/ten13.html


I also recall reading that MSG is present in the flumist as well.

[just_lily]

Originally Posted by 13Sandals

our US gov has paid out for orders of vaccine. doesn't matter if they get administered or not, big pharma gets paid for doses they deliver. however, you can imagine what an embarrassment it is for our gov to have left over vaccine of flu or swine flu, taxpayer money and all...

Canada has ordered 50.4 million doses for 30 million Canadians. At $8 a pop that is a pretty big hit to our already deficit budget. I don't understand why we people can't pay for it themselves - the vast majority of people can pay $8 if they really want the vax.

I am positive that all of these extra doses is what is causing the outright hysteria that is going on right now. There are going to be millions and millions of left overs anyway and that is something most people don't realize yet.

[gardenmom]

Originally Posted by Juvysen

CDC says 22 pediatric deaths from flu this week, 19 of which were subtyped for H1N1? The others were "influenza A"

What do you all think?

I read the same official report for week 42 (ending 10/24), with the total of 22 deaths 'reported' this week:
http://www.cdc.gov/H1n1flu/update.htm

But then on this chart in the summary for week 42, the yellow and bright blue are the deaths reported this week, and total 22. Many are attributed to previous weeks. Only 5 deaths (2 bright blue--A, three yellow--H1N1) actually occur in week 42 (so far):
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weekly...2010/IPD42.htm

Note that they have also included weeks 35-39 in that chart (and other reports)--not historically done (they also included weeks 35-39 in the same chart for the 2008-9 season--an overlap in reporting, ugh).

[Penny4Them]

Originally Posted by inchwormz

Does anyone have a source for this information? I think it's pretty important considering the mass hysteria currently exploding here in Canada. It might help put a few things into prospective.

Just to keep this on topic, I really liked the CNN video with Dr. Oz where he mentioned his wife and kids would not be vaxed. I think that was pretty telling.

I just rewatched the video to find out who the OBGYN was. Her name is Jennifer Ashton and she is a medical correspondent for CBS News. She did not provide her sources. She said during typical 6 month period of flu season there are 300 deaths per day, and with H1N1 there are 4 per day. (Sorry I put 6 in my pp.) She said to date there have been 81 pediatric deaths due to H1N1.

Interesting add'l notes about this portion of Oz's show: After Tenpenny said a few sentences it seems that the producers edited some out, as there was a jump in the tape. Gosh, I would've liked to be in the audience that taping. It seemed like it happend both times after Tenpenny spoke.

I really give Oz credit for having Dr. Tenpenny on. (He said she's been on the show before.) Unfortunately I doubt he'd have any control of the video editing; it would be the show's producers who are paid by the network--and the network is paid by advertisers, one of which is Walgreens who is plugging their in-store vax program on Oz's Web site AND on his show. They gave him both flu vaxes on air over the past month.

I have to give Oz credit for trying to expose the controversy on air and am disappointed it seems they edited it out.

[ashtonsmom04]

Good to hear! Fargo Moorhead flu clinic has leftovers! Half go unused!! See link

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle...5PyOiUiacyKUUs

[amnesiac]

Opening new thread for November.