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October 2009 Charting to Avoid Thread

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Welcome to the October 2009 charting to avoid thread. If you would like to be added or removed (or have anything changed) from the roll call list, please let me know by PMing me. PM me if you'd like to start next month's thread.

Here's a link to last month's September thread.
If you did not post in August or September, you may have been deleted from the list. If you were mistakenly deleted, or you would like to be added/removed, please PM me and let me know. I cannot promise to make changes requested in the thread, but I will try to get to everything.

*Charting/Using FAM/NFP to AVOID*

who we are:

54mama - since 8/09
Ajbaby - since 8/09
alicewyf - CTA since 9/09 plus 6 m before
AnnieA - since 12/07
annie2186
BarefootScientist - since 08/08 and 12 cycles in '05-'06
bbrandonsmom
brittneyscott - since 8/09
Carlin - CTA since 8/09
craft_media_hero
DanaMarie
eirual - CTA for 2.5 years
elonwy - since 8/09
Eresh - since 8/09
GriffsKat - since 4/09
heathermarie73
HulaJenn – since 4/09
JoyFilled
Kelm711
LadyBee
laurelg - CTA since 10/09, plus 16 months before
MarineWife – CTA for 10 months, now CFS&G
michelleoverby - since 8/07
mommyevekitty - since 9/09
momtokimari
motray36 - charting since 10/04
MovingMomma - since 02/09 + some time before
mystic~mama - CTA for 3 years
NaturalMindedMomma -
Nazsmum
nerdymom - CTA since 8/09
phatchristy
pmojzak
RaraAvis - CTA since 8/09 plus 13 months before
ScarletBegonias - CTA since 4/09
Smylingeyz - CTA since 06/08
whitekole
wholewheatchick - since 05/09

Graduates (no longer charting to avoid)
maggirayne -- CTA 02/08-10/08
JuicyPakwan - CTA 06/07 - 06/08 (?)
jul511riv - CTA 17 mo
Mrs_Lurker - CTA 11 mo
augustinem -- cta 6 mo
DanelleB - 12/07 - 05/08
Runner29 - CTA since 07/07 + 2 years previous
ShwarmaQueen - CTA since 09/07
BananaBreadGirl - CTA for 2 years
sk8ermaiden - 09/07-10/08
texaspeach - 10/04 - 01/09
cfiddlinmama - CTA 11/07 - 01/09 + more prior
CanidFL - CTA 06/08 - 02/09
Shell_Ell - (FF) (OS) 11/04 - 02/09 (15 cycles)
Juliacat - CTA 03/08 - 03/09, +33 cycles prior from 2001-2004
mommy2twobabes - CTA 7/08 - 03/08
Othermother'n'madre - CTA 02/08 - 04/09
cahwilson - 01/09 - 04/09
lacysmommy – 04/09-05/09
DucetteMama21842 - CTA 11/08 - 7/09
Danielle283 -
Teenytoona - 2/09-8/09
Virginia884 - 2/09 - 8/09
momongeon
Laggie - 1/09 - 9/09
wannaBmom_NICU_RN - 1/09-9/09
dachshundqueen - since 6/04

Pregnancies per Month (due to user error or condom failure unless otherwise noted)
February - at least 1
March - 2
April – 2
May – 2
June – 0
July - 0
August - 0
September - 1

Happy charting!

Summary of FAM rules (sympto-thermal)

Pre-ovulation rules:

1) First 5 Days Rule: You are safe the first 5 days of your menstrual cycle if you had an obvious temp shift 12-16 days before.

2) Dry day rule: You are safe to DTD after 6PM if you have been dry all day.

Post ovulation rules:

1) Peak day rule: the last day of fertile mucous is called the peak day (the day before your mucous begins to dry up). You are safe to DTD on the fourth consecutive day after the peak day. If another patch of more fertile mucous appears, start your count over.

2) Temperature shift rule: You are safe the evening of the third consecutive day your temp is above your coverline. If your temp falls at or below the coverline during the 3 day count, begin your count again.

BOTH rules must be satisfied to be considered in your infertile phase.

How to set a coverline:

When you see a temperature shift of at least 0.2 degrees F above the highest of the previous 6 temps, draw a line 0.1 degrees F above that highest temp.

Resources

Books:
Taking Charge of Your Fertility, by Toni Weschler
Garden of Fertility and Honoring Our Cycles workbook, by Katie Singer
The Art of Natural Family Planning by John and Sheila Kippley
Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces Babies by Sheila Kippley
Fertility, Cycles and Nutrition by Marilyn Shannon

Websites:
Ovusoft charting software, and brief fertility library
Fertility Friend charting software, and ttc charting guide
Author Katie Singer's Garden of Fertility website
Billings Ovulation Method info
Billings Ovulation Method Association, USA
Billings Centre, CA
Couple to Couple League (find an NFP instructor)
Creighton Model


Abbreviations:
AF: Aunt Flo, your period
BFP: what we are trying to avoid, a positive pregnancy test
CD: Cycle day
CM: cervical mucous (same as CF)
CF: cervical fluid (same as CM)
DPO: Days past ovulation
DTD: Do the deed
GIO: get it on
EWCM: eggwhite cervical mucous/fluid
LP: Luteal phase - the time from ovulation until your period, average 10-16 days
LTL: low temp level (basically 1/10th below FAM's CL or on the highest of the 6 previous temps)
HTL: high temp level (4/10ths above LTL, temp rise needed to indicate O)
post #2 of 379
So - I have ANOTHER question - sigh

It has been a few days since my fertile CM has dried up (I also have the CueII that also confirms no fertile CM) and I don't personally think I O'd.........just a feeling - dont feel hormonal - AND mostly my boobs don't hurt like hell - which always is a sure sign of impending Aunt Flo or pregnancy! LOL

Which leads me to the question to all of you ladies who have done this before (while paying attention which I wasn't last time) did you KNOW when you O'd that first time - or if it was an annovulatory first cycle was it just a surprise or what? Oh, and I don't temp - I plan on trying it once I actually get my first PPAF (hopefully! he he he) but for now I just...........can't - to lazy I guess!

Just kind of wondering for personal reasons.............

On another note - I feel better about telling my husband to stay the hell away from me when I am potentially fertile now LOL
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Think I'm safe yet?

Annie: I know my "feelings" are almost always right . . except every once in a while when I'm wrong and then get pregnant. i figure the only way to be SURE is temping, which really is easy once you get going. . .
Speaking of which:
My Ovulation Chart
What do you think? Clear shift or wait for a few more temps? Day 17 was a PEAK day, both CM wise and jump-on-my-husband wise.

P.S. Every time I pick up my "button" from FF sharing I see the Facebook option and imaging people putting their charts on FACEBOOK. drop That's crazier than Tweeting your labor(I can understand that, although i don't think I'd ever do it -- my DH's family working the phone is bad enough.)

BFS - you are such a conscientious moderator! We always start the month off right with a new thread!
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BFS: Thanks for the new thread! Maybe October will see cooler temps here...it was almost 90 degrees F yesterday, esp. with the humidity. I HATE living in the South!

Rara: looks like a beautiful thermal shift to me!

AFM: um, CD 34. http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/277407 Thankfully my temps have evened out. Still waiting for O.
post #5 of 379
Rara ~ Looks very obvious to me. I'd say you are safe.

annie ~ I've never tried figuring out whether or not I Oed just by how I feel. I've always used temps to confirm it. So, I can't really answer your question. It is possible, especially when waiting for your first PP cycle, to have several patches of fertile CF and not O. If you have 4 consecutive days of CF dry up, you can consider yourself safe after 6 pm of the 4th day. However, at the first sight of any CF again, you should go back to being cautious.

Yay for temps settling, WWC.
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Annie: Nope, no "knowing" for me. The only way I can tell if I've O'd is temps.

Rara: What would you wait for? Your chart looks clear as can be!

WWC: Glad your temps are less spiky!

AFM: I've got my O now, and I'm actually hoping for a LP on the shorter side this time b/c DH is hoping I won't start AF right when he gets home. My chart.
post #7 of 379
Good morning ladies! Thanks for the new thread BFS! Looks great as always.

So here's my surefire way to get AF going (although I must say I'd be happy if she stayed away! ). I'm going to post about how I *might* be preggo and that way I will have to come back on here later on today and write about how it was a false alarm and AF is here. So potentially botched W/D during the evening of CD 14...veerrrrry slight spotting yesterday but that is COMPLETELY gone...temp still up and it's 11 DPO (I checked previous cycles and my temps usually start dropping by now)...odd cramping on and off and just a general feeling of something's odd in my body so much so that yesterday morning I mentioned to DH that I may be coming down with something...the thought of coffee yesterday morning kind of made my stomach turn but I'm drinking it this morning...CP yesterday moved all around and was very low at one point but I just checked this morning and it's pretty high...breasts tender but not overly so...

I fully expect to start spotting at any point and for my temp to drop tomorrow...right? http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1f0436
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Thanks for the new thread BFS!
Annie - sometimes temps don't drop until post AF, so i wouldn't freak if they don't drop (although last cycle they did, but you need a longer history of charts to determine your "norm" and even then some cycles get slightly off for whatever reasons). But with the spotting, I would say AF is definately close.
AFM: hopefully I won't ruin October's stats, but we are not being overly careful. Using withdrawal, and DTD twice on cd8 - which isn't bad but still had EWCF.(so even though DH pulled out the first time, doing it again, would likely have ahd swimmers still in "the tube" :-)) Looks like my O is gonna be a bit later than usual but the full moon isn't for another couple days so that could be why too (very interesting to see the pattern with O/AF and the moon cycles!)
My Chart
post #9 of 379
Quick CF question:

I have an abundance of what appears to be creamy *and* watery CM. I can get maybe a centimeter of stretch out of it. But I feel pretty slippery /tmi. Is this considered fertile, or still creamy/non-fertile?

TIA!
post #10 of 379
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Originally Posted by suzywan View Post
I have an abundance of what appears to be creamy *and* watery CM. I can get maybe a centimeter of stretch out of it. But I feel pretty slippery /tmi. Is this considered fertile, or still creamy/non-fertile?
For tta, any cf is considered potentially fertile unless your BIP is sticky. Creamy is always considered fertile. Some women only get creamy as their most fertile cf. Watery is more fertile and ew is most fertile. So, with a mix of creamy/watery cf, I'd say you are potentially fertile right now.

AnnieA ~ I'd be poas now if I were you. That doesn't mean I think you are pg, though. I'm just a poasaholic.
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Thanks MW!
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Originally Posted by suzywan View Post
Thanks MW!
NP. BTW, vag sensation is just as important as visual cf. If you don't see any cf but you have a sticky/cold/slippery/lubricative feeling, you need to pay attention to that feeling. Go with whatever is most fertile.
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AnnieA ~ I'd be poas now if I were you. That doesn't mean I think you are pg, though. I'm just a poasaholic.
I usually am as well but I don't have any tests and I don't want to drive across town to the dollar store to buy any. So as of now, I am going to try to wait until Sunday evening...if nothing has started by then, I will have DH stop by the dollar store after we drop off the kids at their mom's house.
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WWC-looks like another annov cycle, keeping fingers crossed the next one is normal for you

Hula-I'm w/ you and only partially charting. We'll see what happens, I haven't o'd yet this month. But have many days of ewcf like my first cycle.
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Thread Starter 
annie2186 - Nope, had no idea when I ovulated the first time even though I WAS temping (well kind of, I was out of town for a funeral so missed several temps). There's really no way to know for sure...

RaraAvis - I agree with everyone else that your shift is crystal clear and quite beautiful.

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Originally Posted by RaraAvis View Post
P.S. Every time I pick up my "button" from FF sharing I see the Facebook option and imaging people putting their charts on FACEBOOK. drop That's crazier than Tweeting your labor(I can understand that, although i don't think I'd ever do it -- my DH's family working the phone is bad enough.)

BFS - you are such a conscientious moderator! We always start the month off right with a new thread!
Lol, sharing your chart on facebook...yeah that's a little too open for me. I'm trying to imagine the comments I'd get, or more likely, no comments but people starting to subtly avoid me at family functions... Thanks for the compliment. I don't think I'm a moderator, just a thread-starter.

AnnieA - It doesn't look too concerning to me. You've had some spotting, and last cycle your temps were only trending down at this point, not plummeting. So it's probably just the end-of-LP freak-out. Tho I know you wouldn't mind an oops...so hey, maybe you are!! I'll be waiting and watching.

suzywan - In addition to what MW said, I always consider anything that is slippery to be very fertile.

AFM, still awaiting O, CD 17. Was really nauseous this morning so maybe today is the day. Not looking forward to it too much, actually. It seems my symptoms, especially breast tenderness/being driven crazy by nursing, cramps, and nausea are getting worse every cycle. I told DH we need to have another baby to make the cramps go away. Um...he laughed.

Oh, and... chart!
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Originally Posted by MarineWife View Post
NP. BTW, vag sensation is just as important as visual cf. If you don't see any cf but you have a sticky/cold/slippery/lubricative feeling, you need to pay attention to that feeling. Go with whatever is most fertile.
Ok - how would I enter that into FF? Watery? No stretching so not EW. Also, I haven't charted since I got pregnant in 2007 and that was my only full month of charting, so I don't have any well documented cycle history, however, I recall only having sore breasts post-O, yet this month they already hurt at CD 12. I don't have enough temps to establish an O date in FF, yet, but am curious if sore breasts could be an O symptom, rather than just an effect of progesterone in the LP.

Make sense? TIA!
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I can't decide if I'm safe or not. My chart has a shift on it but I was sick from cd 40 to cd 49 and I have very lube sensation with creamy/watery cf. My cervix was also so high this morning I couldn't reach it.
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/27d146

Do any of you ladies have any wisdom for me? I'm getting very discouraged with my cycles and have recently developed a sensitivity to condoms and spermicide. Dh also refuses to w/d and I really want to dtd but I REALLY don't want to get pregnant. Day after day of creamy/watery cf is driving me bonkers.
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whitekole: I think it would be worth your while to investigate your health with a physician (preferrably one who is familiar with charting). You have some very low temps. Are you breastfeeding?
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whitekole: I think it would be worth your while to investigate your health with a physician (preferrably one who is familiar with charting). You have some very low temps. Are you breastfeeding?
Yes, I'm nursing my 11 month old.
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Whitekole ~ Those are very low temps. Not typical at all. It does look to me like you've had a thermal shift. Your cf seems to line up with that somewhat. If that was due to illness, it looks like you may be having another one starting today. If that's the case, it could be O for you. Two more high temps would confirm it. Whenever in doubt, though, use caution.

suzy ~ FF has an option for watery under the CF button. I think tender breasts can be an O symptom. I seem to be more sensitive just in the past 2 days. I really can't stand ds nursing right now. It either just annoys me or it really hurts and I have to cut him off. I also get cramps before O. I don't know how typical that is, though.
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