First ever vaccinated vs. unvaccinated study - Page 3

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by an_domhan

I didn't read ahead, sorry. But this was a reactive placebo containing aluminum. Determining real side effects when you don't use a true placebo can be problematic.

Yeah, that kind of a test, imo, isn't about testing for safety so much as testing for effectiveness, no? Seems like a lot of them are tested that way...

[carriebft]

The links I have to those trials on clinicaltrials.gov and a few other sources- many say "unspecified" placebo-- while some do have an aluminum containing placebo. I don't think it is possible to say they ALL contained something more than saline if such language was used in a good number of them.

[carriebft]

There were also saline placebo controlled studies for the HPV vax- example:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract

[Cristiaz]

Originally Posted by Yulia_R

Well, as exciting as this is, this is mostly about mercury which no longer in most vaccines (except for some flu ones), so it's no longer a serious threat to big pharma. Aluminum study would be a totally different story though...

Mercury is used in the manufacturing of vaccines so all vaccines still contain trace amounts and trace amounts, built up over time with the vax schedule or to many vaxes at once, can still cause brain problems.

[amnesiac]

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[gardenmom]

Just curious, is Thimerosal just a preservative, or is (was) it also considered an adjuvant when used in vaccines?

[rabrog]

It's a preservative still used in vaccines. Even the CDC site lists what vaxes it's used in. The amount has been decreased, yes, but it's still there.

I think this is a great study. As for the monkeys being removed from their mothers...well, while not great I don't see how else to do a study to get information. Nothing will ever be "perfect" and "acceptable" to all people. Do I feel bad for the monkeys? Sure. But I feel more relief that someone, somewhere is doing something to show the naysayers that there is an issue.

Jenn

[ZoeyZoo]

Originally Posted by beep

It's because if the mom has the disease she can pass it to the baby--another way it can be transmitted.

Quite honestly I still don't understand this reasoning... though this is what the medical establishment says. They have an immunglobin and it can take weeks to develop antibodies to a vax so the newborn would still be unprotected if they don't get the immunglobin.

Glad to see some study on this topic... I'll have to dig a bit to see the fine print.