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post #1 of 16
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I have a seriously spirited 2 1/2 year old. He really has a hard time following instructions. He is constantly testing the limits of my patience. I know that most of what he is doing is normal age appropriate stuff but it still is not acceptable.

This the latest. I put him in his room this afternoon for a nap. He usually plays for a bit and then crawls into bed and sleeps for a bit. Today, I was super tired too so I went and laid down. Both of our doors were open and his door had a gate in it to keep him in his room. (He has been known to climb over the gate and I have to sometimes lock the door to keep him in his room until he goes to bed and then I unlock the door and crack it.) Anyway, so today he climbed over the gate and I didn't hear him. He went downstairs and climbed over the bar counter to get into the kitchen(which is locked with a gate that he cant climb over) and proceeded to dump out every liquid substance from our refrigerator, including a full gallon of milk, cream, worchester sauce, szechuan sauce, coffee grinds....you get the picture, right? Along with a bunch of bowls and food, including pancakes to get soggy on the floor.

So, I wake up because I hear him calling me. This is how we normally do our naps. So, I realize he's calling me from downstairs and I knew right away that he was into something. This is not the first time something major like this has happened. I am constantly childproofing, cleaning up disasters,etc.

I am exhausted by this. I told him to come over and I stripped him down naked, changed his diaper and put him in his room with the door shut and locked. I am seriously feeling like the only way I can be sure he's not going to hurt himself or really destroy something I love, is to lock him in his room when it's bedtime and naps. Then I proceed to clean up.

Seriously, I feel like a horrible mother doing this but I don't have any more ideas besides spanking him or something( which I've never done)

Oh, and this not the first time this has happened. Last time it involved two 20oz containers of paint.
post #2 of 16
Thread Starter 
Anyone? I'm feeling really overwhelmed here and I could really use some real support right now.
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
Oh, and I guess I could be freaking a little because my stbx is leaving in 4 weeks to join the army and won't be around for 3 years. And I'm starting grad school on Monday. So, I guess I'm probably over reacting a bit but I seriously need some ideas on how to keep him in his room. I don't want to lock him in there so I need some other solutions.
post #4 of 16
Can you sleep with him in his/your bed for nap time?
Can you rock him all the way to sleep to be sure he is out before you rest?
Can you skip your nap, drink a coffee to get through the evening and go to bed earlier?
is your LO getting a healthy way to play with interesting, mucky, messy things?
My LO's were getting all rough and goofy right before bed.
I kept saying - now is not goofy time!
I realized that it was never really goofy time... and they legitimately needed some goofy time. So now we have goofy time after lunch. That way when I tell them it's not goofy time, they know that they will actually get to indulge in some goofy time the next day...

Maybe you could have a messy party for him?
Maybe some messy play in the tub?
All the gates you mentioned sound a little off putting for an exploring curious 2 year old. He is old enough to get the message that you do not trust him at all. You might have to keep a close eye on him to redirect him to appropriate play when he goes off course... but climbing over gates all day is not fun for you or him.
I used to lock DD in her room when she was having fits that got super out of control. Now she is all weird about doors being closed and locked... it makes her all nervous. Good fodder for a therapist someday.
*sigh*
We do what we can with the understanding we have at the time.
Doing it on your own can not be easy. Hugs and blessings to you mamma!
post #5 of 16
More babyproofing. Seriously. Refrigerator locks, cabinet locks, etc.

Its not for forever. In a year or so, maybe six months, the locks can start coming off.

With DD, I slept with her or I didn't sleep. I don't think there's anything wrong with locking the door with both of you in there.

I agree with the PP regarding messy time. Fingerpaints in the bathtub can be fun, and cleanup is pretty easy.
post #6 of 16
I still sleep with my DD and she's almost 4. I can't really sleep unless she's right there and I know I'll wake up if she does. She doesn't nap anymore though. At 2.5 your DS doesn't have any impulse control at all so he needs constant supervision and a completely childproofed house. At that age I didn't shower without DD at least playing in my childproofed bathroom and she was usually in the shower too. At about 3 my DD began following directions sometimes and it's even better now, but she still can't resist some messy activities. At 2.5 everything I asked her was "no!". It was a very intense age for her. 2.5 is a difficult age for alot of kids. I've always let DD do a lot of painting, playdoh and markers. We've been using paint since 6 months old. She can play in water in the bathroom sink anytime she wants. Having plenty of tactile, messy and pouring activities help her resist being messy and pouring things elsewhere, like the kitchen floor or carpet in the living room.

I've never locked DD in anywhere. I'm sure she'd completely freak out if I did. Childproof everything. They make locks for everything even toilets. We've never used gates. DD was an early climber, so they wouldn't have worked after about 14 months anyway.
post #7 of 16
When you lock/close his door, does he flip out? If he is fine with it, and it's the only way to keep him safe, I would just do that. If he is crying when you close the door, then I would just stay awake until he fell asleep, then go lay down. He is still young and just exploring, he isn't doing it to make you insane, really. My first was like this (and I'm suspecting my second will be worse!) until she was 3.5. She will still occasionally get into stuff, and it's honest curiosity. They simply can not help themselves.
post #8 of 16
IMO this is not a "discipline" issue at all. This is an expectation issue. If you're going to go to sleep while he's awake, you need to be in the same room and set up so that you wake up if he is up.

-Angela
post #9 of 16
I'm not quite sure what you're looking for: permission to lock him up, or sympathy. There is NO WAY I could ever turn my back on my 3-y-o, never mind attempt to sleep when he's awake. That's just asking for trouble, in my opinion. I know very few 2-y-o (none, actually) who wouldn't get into some kind of trouble if left to their own devices. It's normal. It's what they do.

As others have pointed out, how about sleeping with him? I love cuddling with my son - and sometimes all you need is a 10-minute power nap! (I'm reluctant to suggest better childproofing - it makes me nervous just to think that a child that age could be roaming around freely with the assumption that the house is safe, IME they always find something to get their hands on that could pose a threat...).

I wish I could help more. I guess all I can say is that he sounds like a curious, energetic, totally normal little boy!
post #10 of 16
My son was also extremely destructive like that when he was little. When he was older we found out he has aspergers, adhd, sensory issues, anxiety, and really bad insomnia. So there were reasons for what he was doing but I didn't know it at the time. Now, looking back, I wish I had so I could have handled things differently. But he was my first child, I was young, and I just thought I was awful at this parenting thing.

You can't take a nap while he does. Ever. Or one day you will find that he has escaped through a door or window and is running down the street naked and covered head to toe in ketchup.

If he keeps coming out of his room at night then just keep putting him back in. This is exhausting. Consider making his bedtime later. Set up an awesome bedtime routine and stick to it exactly every night. If you feel you are falling asleep and he is still awake then make a bed for yourself on his floor and sleep in front of his door inside his room.

Don't lock him in his room anymore. It is an easy fix for a while but eventually when he grows older it won't work and he won't know how to fall asleep properly. Or he will go destructive on his room with whatever he can find - including his diaper contents.

Basically, with a little one like this you need to stick with constant supervision. Try to keep him in the same room you are at all times. Get him involved with helping you in your work. Take him outside to change the mood. Find messy things he can play with and destroy while you help.
post #11 of 16
IMO, he's too young/immature to be "unsupervised in the whole house" while you nap. He either needs to be confined in a way he really can't get out of (crib with crib tent, or a lock on the outside of the bedroom door, etc) or in the room with you, so you hear him if he gets up (and preferably, he's locked into the baby-proofed room with you, so he can't get into danger even if you don't get up.)

Beyond the mess and waste of money, this is dangerous. What would have happened if he'd wandered outside and into the street?

There have been times when I've tried to nap with DS but he woudln't nap, back when he was a toddler. We were together in my locked bedroom, and after a few times of him not staying in my bed and snuggling or nursing, I moved him into the crib (also in my bedroom.) I told him he had the choice of bed or crib, but if he kept getting off the bed, then he was choosing crib. After a few times, I'd put him in the crib and not take him back out (the first few times I did take him out of the crib if he cried) and explained that Mommy is tired, you need to stay safe while Mommy naps, and he cried/fussed while I napped 3 feet away from him. Sometimes he fell asleep anyway, sometimes he just played quietly in the crib, but I got my needed nap and he stayed safe.
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks mamas for all you advice. Just to clarify, I would never knowing allow my 2.5 to run free in the house. I did put him in his bedroom with a "climb-proof" gate and of course, he climbed over it.

My house is very child proofed, my son just gets through the child proofing. My kitchen is gated off with a permenant gate and my son had to climb over the bar and down the cabinets to get into the kitchen. He ended up locking himself in, that's why he was screaming for me.

In frustration, I have locked him in his bedroom a few times because he kept scaling the gate. I don't want to do this because I worry about him being scared. He does cry sometimes, but I take it more that he's pissed that I'm giving him boundries. He has been falling asleep on his own for a year.

I guess what I was asking was how to keep him in his bedroom without locking his door. Personally, I am not comfortable with making this a regular habit. I feel like the house warden and I do agree that it's probably not good for my son. But I also need to know that's he's not wandering around the house unsupervised. Maybe I can stack two gates on top of another.
post #13 of 16
Maybe you could get one of those doors where the bottom and top half separate so you could just lock the bottom and keep the top open. It would be higher and more climb proof but not as isolating. Or you could just close his door - not lock it - after he goes to sleep and have one of those cheap door alarms on there to alert you when he wakes up.
post #14 of 16
How frustrating. I think a door that opens on the top and bottom is a great idea. You can even take off the door you have now, cut it in half and just add two more hinges so each half will swing properly.
post #15 of 16
You can also try adding a full screen door to his room. I have heard this suggested before for children who get up during the night and roam the house. A screen door is really just like a giant gate if you think about it.
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the tips. I actually was looking for one of those split doors but they are expensive and we live in a rental.

I saw this and I'm thinking about it. I'd hate to buy it and have it not work. \
http://www.onestepahead.com/catalog/...tegoryId=85217

I do like the screen idea. I'm going to talk to my stbx about it tonight.
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