Normal reactions?

[lwuertz]

After reading a bunch of stuff on vaccinations I decided to do a slower schedule for my DD. However, the schedule got a little off because we moved to a different city, it took me awhile to find a pediatrician and there were some vaccine shortages earlier this year.

The pediatrician I found is one of two in our area that are homebirth friendly and the other one only takes newborns. However, the tradeoff is that I knew she was very pro-vaccine and sticking to the AAP schedule ahead of time. I'm totally kicking myself because I didn't take this warning seriously and let myself get pressured into her having three vaccines at once because she was "so far behind". I was totally frazzled and stressed out that day and it probably wasn't the best day for me to be in a doctor's appointment making decisions anyway.

So a week ago 1yo DD had her first rounds of the Pc, HIB and a flu shot. That night she developed a low grade fever, but it didn't seem to bother her. She was still her happy, cheery self. By Sunday night though the fever was still there and bothering her. We started treating it with Motrin and that helped. Monday afternoon though she stopped responding to the Motrin. She also completely lost her appetite and was really listless. I called the doctor and they said this was standard and to just keep giving her Tylenol or Motrin. That night she threw up and immediately after she was actually kind of back to normal. The next day she was fine until the afternoon and then her fever came back and she was listless again. She hasn't had a fever the last couple days, but she's still really cranky, sleeping a lot and just generally not herself. She also pretty much wants nothing to do with food. I am able to get her to breastfeed, drink diluted juice and she'll eat Cheerios and yogurt.

It's been a week! The doctor says none of it concerns her and this is pretty standard. I feel like I'm being completely paranoid. So what I'm wondering is, is this really normal, how long can I expect it to last and is there anything else I can do to make things better/easier?

[kiara7]

I would never give her another vax if I were you. They'll say it's normal of course, but they also say that seizures after vax are ok.
Hugs, mama. I hope she feels better soon.

[rabrog]

totally agree with the PP. Also, ask yourself this: why is ANY reaction to a vaccine considered normal?

Hope she feels better soon.

Jenn

[Cristiaz]

I don't think any reactions to vaxes are normal. It sounds to me like her immune system is going haywire. That is not normal in slightest bit. Also sounds like she's fighting off the toxins big time. I'm sorry, hang in there, and think about getting a new doctor, possibly an NMD or ND...

[ammiga]

I think that the word normal is misused in this context (by everyone, all the time). It should be replaced with "common".

Are bad reactions to vaccines common? Yes. They happen to most people, in some form or another.

Is what your dd is going through normal? No. The very fact that there is a reaction is telling you that there is something wrong with what is going on inside of her body. It is not normal for the body to react in any of the ways that your dd did. It is simply common. Just because it happens all the time does not mean that it isn't something to worry about.

[Deborah]

Also, giving tylenol can make vaccine reactions worse. It is awful that doctors constantly recommend this drug to children who have a fever after vaccination.

[susienjay]

My 5 year old was totally listless for 2 days following her 4 month shots. She also had a high fever. When I called the doctor I was told it was normal and not to be concerned.

I'd see if you can find a different doctor. I know it is really hard. I don't currently have a place I feel comfortable taking my kids. The couple docs I know are neutral on vaxes aren't taking new patients and the couple other names I have are quite a drive.

[carmel23]

is there a possibility that she actually has the flu and it just coincided with her getting the shots? Or maybe she is having a bad reaction. But the length of time of her being sick, it seeming to go away and then return, the not wanting to eat, all sound like symptoms of the flu. Has anyone else felt off in your house?

Has she ever had the flu shot before ?

Hope she's better, soon!

[RachelGS]

My daughter went through a reaction like this at age 4. It was scary as hell, and incredibly hard to get help for her because everyone was so dedicated to the idea that vaccines could never have caused it. No more vaccines here. People say a reaction is normal to mean it happens a lot. Normal in this context is not the same as SAFE.

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by ammiga

I think that the word normal is misused in this context (by everyone, all the time). It should be replaced with "common".

Are bad reactions to vaccines common? Yes. They happen to most people, in some form or another.

This wordplay is "normal" within the vaccine industry. I agree that "common" is a better description. Of course "normal" is used so the millions of parents who see their children suffer vaccine reactions don't question further, put two and two together when health issues arise later, and so those within the industry can sleep at night.

Is what your dd is going through normal? No. The very fact that there is a reaction is telling you that there is something wrong with what is going on inside of her body. It is not normal for the body to react in any of the ways that your dd did. It is simply common. Just because it happens all the time does not mean that it isn't something to worry about

There is nothing "normal" about a child's reaction to the slew of nasty ingredients that were directly injected into her. Dr. Andrew Moulden's videos showing the white blood cells sludging up the body after any and all vaccination proves the body is not in a "normal" state after toxin injection, which is a more accurate word for "vaccination."

Humanity will look back on vaccination, as it does lobotomies with ice picks, bloodletting, the administration of arsenic and mercury, and many other medical "treatments" and realize how horrifying these "treatments" really were. Unfortunately, it is too late for those who suffered these "treatments."

[Cavy]

If she were mine, given her age I would strongly assume that she has another illness, that most her symptoms are nothing to do with the recent vacc. She could be teething, and ime this time of year (fall) is when a lot of bugs crop up, something to do with the cooling weather or being indoors.

It also seems "normal" to me that people should have some reactions to vaccines -- otherwise, what would be the point of giving them? They are meant to provoke an immune system response. So I wouldn't be bothered about mild to moderate fever and some swelling at the site of the jab (all my DC have had some of those symptoms after vacc). But perhaps that's just what I find acceptable.

[carriebft]

I agree Cavy that there is some normalcy in reactions; vaccines are meant to create an immune response.

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by Cavy

If she were mine, given her age I would strongly assume that she has another illness, that most her symptoms are nothing to do with the recent vacc. She could be teething, and ime this time of year (fall) is when a lot of bugs crop up, something to do with the cooling weather or being indoors.

It also seems "normal" to me that people should have some reactions to vaccines -- otherwise, what would be the point of giving them? They are meant to provoke an immune system response. So I wouldn't be bothered about mild to moderate fever and some swelling at the site of the jab (all my DC have had some of those symptoms after vacc). But perhaps that's just what I find acceptable.

I disagree. I don't see how one can not believe the reaction is related to the toxic ingredients injected into the baby's body. The description of events showed the symptoms began immediately and worsened as time passed. The argument that another illness must have just happened to occur and there is no correlation is a common tactic of the vaccine industry to deny damage. Once again correlation does not mean causation works for an industry that uses the same logic to defend their product.

There is nothing "normal" about white blood cells sludging up the bloodstream and preventing oxygen, arguably to most important aspect of human life, from doing it's job.

Anyone who has been around medicine that helps heal people and doesn't cause these types of long term side effects, knows that we do not have to accept these "normal" reactions to have a healthy life. We don't have to rationalize the maiming and killing of healthy children for some unproven benefit.

[carriebft]

I don't see how one can not believe the reaction is related to the toxic ingredients injected into the baby's body.

Well, some people don't see the ingredients as "toxic" or have a different definition. Also, some might not see a connection because there are other possibilities and a mechanism for a connection is not clear.

Also, others might see Moulden's work as pure nonsense.

I know why you feel differently, just trying to demonstrate why someone else may not feel the same way.

[Yulia_R]

Originally Posted by Cristiaz

I don't think any reactions to vaxes are normal. It sounds to me like her immune system is going haywire. That is not normal in slightest bit. Also sounds like she's fighting off the toxins big time. I'm sorry, hang in there, and think about getting a new doctor, possibly an NMD or ND...

[Cristiaz]

Originally Posted by carriebft

I agree Cavy that there is some normalcy in reactions; vaccines are meant to create an immune response.

The problem with this is that vaccines do not create a "healthy" immune response. Vaccines bypass the frontline defenses of the immune system and go straight to blood stream causing the immune system to over react, hence the rise in auto immune disorders. The frontline defenses are eyes, nose, mouth (mucous membranes). When bacteria and viruses enter properly, the immune system reacts as it was designed too. This is why when Mom's ask for advice on whether to vaccinate or not I always say to research the immune system.

[lwuertz]

Well thanks for all your thoughtful responses. She's finally back to her "normal" self today... a week and two days later. I guess I just have to figure out what I'm going to do next time and if I'm going to stick with this doctor or not.

[carriebft]

Originally Posted by Cristiaz

The problem with this is that vaccines do not create a "healthy" immune response. Vaccines bypass the frontline defenses of the immune system and go straight to blood stream causing the immune system to over react, hence the rise in auto immune disorders. The frontline defenses are eyes, nose, mouth (mucous membranes). When bacteria and viruses enter properly, the immune system reacts as it was designed too. This is why when Mom's ask for advice on whether to vaccinate or not I always say to research the immune system.

So I guess rotavirus, OPV, flumist, and the development of an inhaled measles vaccine are ok then, right?

[an_domhan]

Originally Posted by carriebft

So I guess rotavirus, OPV, flumist, and the development of an inhaled measles vaccine are ok then, right?

eh... no. Shooting a live virus vaccine ("attenuated" with all its friends) up the olfactory highway defies my logic.

[carriebft]

Originally Posted by an_domhan

eh... no. Shooting a live virus vaccine ("attenuated" with all its friends) up the olfactory highway defies my logic.

Well, it's not bypassing the "frontline defenses" which is what the poster said was wrong with the injected vaccines.