homeopathic immunizations

[Li27]

So, I just came across this on the website of a homeopathy clinic in my area.

I have never heard of this. My DD is 18 months and completely vax free. We were going to delay, but may not do any, we're still unsure. If we do any, it will be after two.

BUT, are homeopathic immunizations a good option? Their site says that the ones that have been tested (there's a list there) are 90% effective in some 15-year study........

True? Can anyone point me to actual research studies/resources where I could check this out?

Thanks!

[mkmoro311]

Issac Golden is the dude who kinda revolutionized the situation, start googleing him~


http://www.modernhomoeopathy.com/issac%20golden.htm

[bbrandonsmom]

? much about them. I first heard about them last year, when a friend said there was a homeopathic flu vax she could get from her dr. I thought she was talking about treatment, but it was a vaccine. I never looked into it though.

[Marnica]

Yup homeopathic nodsodes are a safe and effective (at least some think so)option. Isaac Golden is the man! He is having a webinar on thursday 10/8
http://www.medicalvoices.org/en/events.html

I have done several of the nodsodoes for DS

[svmaine]

For the first time in my life I got a bit paranoid about what my work would do if I didn't get either of the flu shots this year, I work in a hospital, so I researched the homeopathy world a bit more and found Washington Homeopathic Products "Influenzinum". Is that what your referring to? They have quite a bit of info on their website, www.homeopathyworks.com. I did end up purchasing it as well as their flu "kit"...just in case. My DH and I have only gotten the flu once in our lives and so far my boys have never had it, or the shots. Just in case they do get it though my first treatments will be from the flu kit.

[mainemommy1]

Can someone please tell me if these homeopathic vaccines also build immunity for tetanus? Has anyone actually had a homeopathic "vaccine" and then tested the titers for immunity? this is all new to me-but I believe in homeopathy and have seen it work wonders for other issues.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by mainemommy1

Can someone please tell me if these homeopathic vaccines also build immunity for tetanus? Has anyone actually had a homeopathic "vaccine" and then tested the titers for immunity? this is all new to me-but I believe in homeopathy and have seen it work wonders for other issues.

Yes there are nosodes for tetanus, however a better bet for tetanus is to give the appropriate remedy post injury. Any nosode works better for short term protection ie there is an epidemic in your area and you want to avoid conttacting the illness.

You cannot test titres after a homeopathic nosodes. This is not how homeeopathy works. Isaac Golden says this:

Golden says, "unlike conventional vaccines, the Homoeopathic alternative does not rely on antibody formation." He postulates that "Homoeopathic remedies reduce the patient’s sensitivity to the dynamic stimulus of the virus or bacteria, thus lessening the patient’s predisposition to being overcome by this stimulus"

[Li27]

Does anyone know of any actual research/studies that have been done?

[nathansmum]

I have recently purchased a homeopathic immunisation kit for my 2 children. They are 6 and 4. The only thing that had me doing this was because my son (6) was on immune-suppressant steroids long term and it made me incredibly nervous thinking about his catching measles (which is pretty much bad news for the immunosuppressed). I have also done meningitis, flu, tetanus but don't think I'll bother with the whooping cough, HIB, polio.

Have you checked out the links above? I'm sure they would mention the studies (I can't recall where, but there have been mass populations tested - Mexico from memory?).

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Li27

Does anyone know of any actual research/studies that have been done?

yes there have been but because homeopathy cannot be tested in the traditional sceintific sense...most of the studies have been considered anecdotal

http://nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles/view,97

[mkmoro311]

Originally Posted by nathansmum

I have recently purchased a homeopathic immunisation kit for my 2 children. They are 6 and 4. The only thing that had me doing this was because my son (6) was on immune-suppressant steroids long term and it made me incredibly nervous thinking about his catching measles (which is pretty much bad news for the immunosuppressed). I have also done meningitis, flu, tetanus but don't think I'll bother with the whooping cough, HIB, polio.

Have you checked out the links above? I'm sure they would mention the studies (I can't recall where, but there have been mass populations tested - Mexico from memory?).

Where did you get them from? Are they nosodes?

[tessie]

Would somebody mind either explaining how they work or directing me to a reliable source?

Are they intended to be preventative measures rather than vaxes as they don't provide immunity?

[Sheri Nakken]

Don't agree with using remedies in this way to vaccinate

I am a classical Hahnemannian Homeopath and do not agree with doing this.
The key is to learn about the diseases and get over the fear of them so you won't feel the need to vaccinate in any way. Remedies can be used to prevent illness if in the immediate vicinity of the illness, but in my opinion, not in this blanket way.


so-called "Homeopathic Vaccinations"

There are several out there who advocate mass homeopathic 'vaccination' - used routinely.

I DON'T agree with this in this way. All of the homeopaths I know and respect and study with DO NOT agree with this approach.

If a disease is nearby and you are at risk and you are really concerned - ie smallpox, polio, etc, then often homeopathy can be used temporarily in
that instance. I have already posted information on homeoprophylaxis in that type of situation.

That is NOT this.

Here are the things you can do for the threat of an acute disease in an epidemic:
1. Wait and treat on the individual symptom picture that you have or develop - THIS IS THE BEST
2. Find the genus epidemicus (I have/will post more on this). This is the remedy that seems to fit most of the people in your area in THIS particular
instance of the epidemic (not last years or in the past, but this one) NEXT BEST
3. Use nosodes or remedies that have worked in past epidemics THE LEAST DESIRABLE

Each of the above has its applications depending on your situation. It is also good to have a homeopath to work with on this.

I give you this information so you know about it, but again I DON'T agree with this.-

Isaac Golden
http://www.lyghtforce.com/Homeopathy...ext/golden.htm
Isaac Golden

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My comments to someone on vaccinations list questioning this...........
>
>Based on Dr. Golden's statement above, his approach and especially
>his attitude appears to me to be commendable and quite respectful.

And it is in error in my opinion and those I study with and know.
And I will speak out every time I see this type of thing posted. I cannot
be silent. You of course can do what you will,

If you really comprehend homeopathy and its laws and principles it would
never enter into your mind to do such a thing. The list of things he gives
children is appalling to me. How does he know it prevented an illness -
children are exposed to things all the time and don't get them - chicken
pox, pertussis, colds, flu, etc. I just don't believe in disease and germs
and bacteria and viruses as allopaths and it appears Dr. Golden do. It is
not about preventing all of the supposed 'diseases'. Symptoms are just the
body's way of dissipating a disturbance. A group of symptoms is classified
by allopaths into a tidy name such as pertussis. But your 'pertussis' and
my 'pertussis' may be something totally different - a few similar symptoms
but many different. The different ones are often the key to prescribing a
homeopathic remedy IF needed (and I say IF as it is not always). He may
have so disturbed these children's vital force or immune systems, that they
could not produce symptoms which is not good - just one possibility. If
you understood the POWER of these remedies you would NEVER do such a thing.

I take a remedy with EXTREME caution - am not quick to take them as I KNOW
from experience how powerful they are. It is ludicrous for a homeopath to
think in such an allopathic way.

I encourage you to study homeopathy and you would understand what I mean.


It is the same in my opinion as a doctor or person:
1. Thinking that they'll take antibiotics preventatively so they never get
sick - an allopath would object to that
Classical homeopaths object to so-called homeopathic vaccination

Do you think a medical doctor should just go along with that idea just
because one other medical doctor thinks it works. Just because a parent
wants to do it. Do you think a classical homeopath should just go along
with the idea of 'homeopathic vaccination' just because one person who says
he's a homeopath says you should and just because a parent wants to?

No, there are laws and principles to homeopathy just as there are in
nature. You jump from a third story window, you will go down and not up.
Law of gravity. It is the same with homeopathy. You just can't make it
what you want to. Granted, we don't know everything about how homeopathy
works and certainly new viewpoints are worthy of looking at but the idea of
'homoepathic vaccination' is just NOT homeopathy. Is just not viable for
the long term for sure, and more than likely for most for the shortterm.

If I can say one thing that is important, and I've said it again and again,
you have to research enough about vaccines, disease, alternate views on
disease, alternate view on life, programming and brainwashing of us, etc.
to finally come to the conclusion that bacteria and germs and viruses DO
NOT cause disease. They are the result of disease or the problems that are
associated with 'them' are the result of disease.

Once you GET this, you don't have a fear and you don't feel a need to
prevent things in this way.

Some of Jim West's stuff is very helpful.
http://www.geocities.com/harpub
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>From one homeopath who I highly respect - one of the BEST homeopaths in the
US in my opinion (in Maine)

> Another question.
> You know I'm constantly working with parents on vaccine dangers and
> teaching them about homeopathy.
> One frustration I have is the constant thing being brought up about
> homeopathic 'vaccination' and Isaac Golden, etc.
Sheri

I just describe this as a "me-too" attempt at mimicking conventional
medicine. That the whole concept of generating artificial immunity to a
disease belongs to allopathy, & not to us. & That what we *do* have, all of
our own, are (1) homoeoprophylaxis - short-term interventions to assist the
body in making the most functional response possible to the disease, but not
to side-step around the process of developing the kind of natural immunity
that only embracing and effectively dealing with the real disease can offer;
and (2) effective means of addressing these childhood diseases with acute
homoeopathic treatment, should they require that.

Most folks who come to me wanting "homeopathic vaccination" want something
to satisfy third parties - schools, camps, grandparents. So that it can be
written down as meeting somebody else's requirements. Informing them that
the "authorities" will not accept this as a substitute usually diverts the
question.

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Will Taylor, MD
homoeopathic website at
http://www.simillibus.com

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Sheri Nakken, RN, MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
Vaccination Information & Choice Network

[Sheri Nakken]

more on so-called homeopathic vaccination

"Alternative Vaccine" Methods

homeoprophylaxis -- Use of homeopathic medicines to prevent the occurrence of a disease.

A. There are 2 issues here
1. Prevention using homeopathic remedies for an immediate threat - a disease that is 'in the vicinity' - ie. pertussis in your niece that threatens your 2 month old
2. Blanket prevention mimicking what allopaths think they are doing with vaccination - just giving remedies or nosodes on a schedule thinking that will prevent anything in the future

B. 2 types of homeopathically prepared substances used in prevention
1. Substances obtained from the natural world of plants, animals, &minerals
2. Nosodes - substances derived from disease products, tissues samples, mucus, pus from discharges, or pure cultures of microorganisms. Nosodes correspond to the specific diseases associated with the individual bacteria or virus, or the infectious material sample taken form a patient.

Randall Neustaedter - "Nosodes are homeopathic preparations (ie serial dilutions with an energetic force applied to the solution, shaking) of a viral or bacterial culture or of disease tissue or secretions. Nosodes have been used during epidemics, for example a nosode for meningococcal meningitis showed some protective effect for the disease in a study done in South America, as did a nosode for whooping cough during outbreaks in England. Nosodes have also been used for long-term prevention of disease, but no
studies exist to support their use. Nosodes have also been used to reverse the adverse effects of a vaccination and to treat the sequelae of specific diseases."
3. For example - to prevent polio, Lathyrus sativa (a plant) has been used; and to prevent pertussis, Pertussin (a preparation of the bacteria Bordetella pertussis - a nosode); and to prevent measles, Morbillinum, a nosode.

C. Types of prevention reviewed.....
1. Prevention using homeopathic remedies for an immediate threat - a disease that is 'in the vicinity' - ie. pertussis in your niece that threatens your 2 month old -
a. I will introduce this subject here.
b. In PART 2 of the class that will start this fall, I will go through each disease that has a vaccine associated with it and give info on the reality of the disease NOW, the history of the disease, risks for that disease now in US/Canada/UK/Australia/NZ and much of Western Europe, the treatment for the disease (allopathic, homeopathic & other), vaccine given to supposedly prevent the disease and the problems with that vaccine, & homeopathic prevention for that disease, when in the vicinity of that disease.
d. Homeoprophylaxis DOES HAVE its place in epidemics and other situations (rare these days)

2. Blanket prevention mimicking what allopaths think they are doing with vaccination - just giving remedies or nosodes on a schedule thinking that will prevent anything in the future. Most homeopaths I know and trust and study with DO NOT agree with routinely using homeopathic remedies/nosodes to prevent illness like allopathic
vaccination.

Sheri Nakken, RN, MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
Vaccination Information & Choice Network

[tessie]

Thank you for taking the time to post that. I still don't really get how they're supposed to work though? As far as I can make out from your posts they are treatments, not vaxes, which can be dangerous? Is that right?